Who the fuck is Charlie Kirk?
Charlie Kirk didn’t kill himself.
But almost.
The worst part of it is people genuinely eat this shit up
Star Wars nerds “charlie kirk charlie kirk” piss off with your pew pew shit GROW UP GET A JOB
They couldn’t blame the liberals so now they need crackpot theories.
The theory is Israel killed charlie kirk because he was pushing back against israel
I much prefer the real story about somebody killng charlie kirk because he was an annoying rich guy.
It can be both.
Intelligence agencies love to gently nudge and provide support to someone who might do their dirty work for them.
That said it’s way more likely they have kompramat on Trump and also that he is senile and thinks he is back in the 80s during the hostage crisis.
reminds me of The Hejter (The Hater)
Forgotten. Fuck off
That’s exactly the moment when you realize the edibles were definitely working after all.
A MAGA killed Charlie Kirk so MAGA had NO CHOICE but to Bomb and Iranian School in Response!
This was pushed hard when it happened but I’ve never seen anything actually pointing to him being MAGA. He was raised in a right wing household but also dated someone trans and killed a right wing spokesman.
His social media got nuked right away so not much on that side. It was probably a mixed bag which is maybe more dangerous to have in the news in terms of inciting copycats. Easier if both sides blame it on the other, wouldn’t want anyone to see himself in him.
That being said, I don’t think his allegiance matters as much as the fact that Charlie deserved it. If you are punching Nazis, you are a good guy in my book.
He was part of a group that thought maga was too soft. Any left in there was a buffer overrun.
I don’t think that ended aligning with the facts. In all respects he would be “swing voter” in the midwest ; he was largely apolitical and killed kirk because kirk spread hate about people he cared about.
Which is 100% true of charlie kirk no matter who you are. Kirk was anti women, anti trans, deeply racist, and deeply annoying. There is nobody who doesn’t have one of his hated groups in their family and who doesn’t have some reason to be annoyed by him.
MAGA just doesn’t think like that. They think putting women in their proper place isn’t anti women its pro women because if they have traditional values imposed upon them then they will have a more happy fulfilled life. For those with minority associates or family members that they don’t silently hate they rationalize that they are among the “good ones” Ask them if they hate black people and wait for them to tell you that they don’t they hate n words which are somehow different than black people. Their compartmentalization is perfect. They see no tension with believing black people in general are bad but the ones THEY know to be good are good.
If you mean the groypers, was that ever proven? It was an early accusation but I don’t remember seeing proof, other than groypers hate Kirk.
I saw a lot of articles saying that but I didn’t see any that had anything concrete. The whole thing seemed fishy at the time and even more so now with his trial essentially buried.
He killed charlie kirk because charlie didn’t hate in the right way. So if you think the trash that killed the trash is a good guy then you are not a good guy.
I’m asking for a source, not what you heard. That’s the point.
This isn’t reddit. If you want your hand held go there. I don’t remember what hate group he was with. I just remember the only thing they disagreed on was israel. Not all the other hate just that one shithole country. Like other unimportant things about right wing haters the only thing that is important is they are trash.
My whole point is that I can’t find sources. I can’t find any actually reasoning behind it. I already looked.
I don’t have time to retrace it all. I know the right are saying he is left leaning but when it all came out his family were known members of some fringe ultra right wing hate group. Nothing I’ve seen since this has suggested its any different. You might start by looking at articles from around the the time it happened. Anything you see later than a few weeks after it happened is being produced for the bias of whoever is writing it. They can’t charge him federally and its really got trump and them mad.
If you don’t have time to “retrace it all” it’s much better to say nothing instead of spreading misinformation.
It seems like we are at a stale mate since I’m saying their isn’t any proper proof and you’re saying you don’t have time to find it.
I don’t give much credence to what his family’s beliefs were, he had moved out by then and it’s very possible his views had changed from theirs.
I don’t know about trump specifically, but I do know the right doesn’t like him, mostly because they think he was a leftist. It’s weird that both sides claim he belongs to the other and neither has anything but conjecture about it.
Every single one of those little girls were in contact with The Human Fountain’s shooter every single day. Every. Single. Day.
And they were all pleading with him to do that shooting. 6 year old Iranian schoolgirls are a formidable force that should not be trifled with!Or Candeath Omens is a cunt. It could be either…
Sometimes the conspiracy theorists pop out of their echo chamber and make a statement that seems reasonable and widely accepted to them but can only be believed if you first believe 17 layers of propaganda, leaps of logic and generally brainrot. Usually all fed to them by bigots and billionaires.
They are then surprised by normal people clowning on them and instead of reflecting, they just tell themselves they know something the normies don’t and that makes them special.
I personally dont think this is far fetched. There seems to have been a cover up about his death. The alleged shooter was maga. Kirk was going against Israel, and could have been a significant problem and priority target for israel, but for anyone else, he was just a racist POS, and very low significance, if someone wished to assassinate with goals of slowing maga down.
However, he was probably quite relevant for young people, so I could see it going either way, but I dont find the theory Israel was responsible is too much of a stretch, and it appears powerful people didnt want the public to learn too much about it.
It’s worse than an echo chamber that they have. It’s isolated improv. They aren’t just agreeing, they’re "yes and"ing. Collective world building without critical thought, disagreement, or awareness that it isn’t how reality works.
They are “roleplaying” with each other. Telling lies and conspiracy stories that they know are fiction, but MAGA is actually tolerant of other MAGA and as long as you are telling fiction about something that is close to MAGA they will pretend to believe it.
Except about 10% actually take that batshit crazy stuff serious.
You know that makes me want to post
Back in 2016, there was something amazing: /r/TheDonald/
I was following that in amazement. Donnie T capitalized on the army of detached dummies (deplorables) that had been cultivated by decades of Fox News (-style media). They were so detached that even mainstream republicans couldn’t get a hold - Donnie T would just go further.
And by the time the 2016 election got closer, that /r/ would just go more unhinged. All the Dems and old Reps were (satanist) pedo’s and if Donnie jusy got elected, he’d have them hang before the end of his first month.
Crazily, the rest of them never opposed them. They didn’t call them out on it. They just went along as if they were some kind of aligned faction.
Of course after they won there were some holdouts wondering out loud when the massive pedo roundups were going to happen, but after a while that fizzled out.
Most of them are more than happy to ally themselves with the complete loonies
They also say things that don’t make any sense if someone understands how a calendar works.
I’m trying to wrap my head around that statement but I can’t come with any explanation why that should be the case.
Because it’s absurd nonsense
Yeah, normally I can at least understand what they’re trying to say, but here I just… I don’t know anymore 😭
Candace thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
Because Kirk had reportedly refused to keep taking money from a prominent Israeli donor, and didn’t want to keep being so pro-Zionist.
Frankly, I don’t actually think that’s totally impossible, though its far from conclusively proven.
However, if you know anything about guns or ballistics… the scenario that has thus far been presented by the FBI as to the kind of weapon that shot Kirk and the angle and distance he was shot from…
Its completely impossible, and does not align with the evidence on the scene.
If Kirk had been shot from basically the front, by a 30.06, in the neck, it would have blown half of his neck off, there would have been a massive back blast of viscera behind him, not the popped geyser of blood from a broadly intact neck that we saw.
What the actual wounds from the autopsy point toward is that roughly a 5.56 round from Kirk’s above and right, entered his upper neck on the right side, traversed around and through various parts of his neck, untill it ended up severing the corotid artery on his
right(EDIT) left side and lodging most of itself into his left collar bone.That bullet trajectory actually matches the specific injuries from the autopsy, and the video evidence.
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away, from the front… would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
You can run all the math on the physics of this yourself if you doubt it. I’ve already done it, search through my comment history if you want to see it.
If your instinct here to just instantly defer to the official story:
Who do you trust more?
Random internet person?
Or Kash Patel, the guy who perjured himself repeatedly in order to hide and delay the release of the Epstein files?
I mean, if right wingers wanted Charlie Kirk dead, who am I to complain?
Whatever happened to the theory that it hit his body armor first and deflected up into his neck? I haven’t looked into this in awhile, but recall seeing a video that looked like that is what happened. That would explain the loss in velocity.
He was not wearing body armor.
To cause a straight-on shot from a 30.06 or a 5.56 from 150 yards to deflect, at that extreme of an angle, into his neck, externally, he would have had to be wearing plate armor.
Plate armor carriers are quite bulky and noticable.
They would be obviously visible, under a form fitting T Shirt.
There are tons of pics and video of Kirk that day, bending in different directions… at no point does he appear to be wearing a plate carrier under his shirt.
Kevlar or a more flexible kind of armor would not have deflected such a straight-on shot, it would have ‘caught’ it, or just slowed it down and spread some of the impact energy over the rest of his chest, while ultimately failing to stop the bullet from penetrating into him… at the point of impact, which would have left him with a chest/waist entry wound, which does not match the autopsy at all.
Either a straight-on shot to kevlar or plate would have caused brusing and/or fractures to his chest, whether the scenario is deflection or penetration.
Those were not indicated by the autopsy.
If he had been wearing body armor, been shot from the front, and the bullet then ricocheted into his neck…
The shirt would have a hole or tear or at least abrasion damage of some kind where the initial impact happened.
It does not.
He had a backup lapel mic above his right pectoral, which was magnetically attached under his shirt, which then had a wire going across his chest, to a powerbank/transciever on his left side.
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/viral-conspiracy-theory-about-charlie-kirks-death-is-false/
The deformation of his shirt was a result of the impact of the round hitting him, causing him to jolt, which knocked off the lapel mic, which tugged on the wire under his shirt.
Kirk wearing the lapel mic at another event:
The visible backup lapel mic above his right pec, immediately prior to being shot:
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away, from the front… would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
So, knowing nothing about 5.56 rounds but having shot a .30-06 at moose/deer/elk: in the 100-200 yard range the bullet will break a rib, travel through the lungs/heart/etc and then often exit the other side on a smaller animal (deer), or be sitting just inside the hide of a larger one (elk/moose).
I have no opinions on the rest of it that’s just been my experience.
Sorry I should have clarified that I meant that at the range of the Kirk shot, roughly 150 yards, a 30.06 has approximately an order or magnitude more kinetic emergy than a 5.56.
Roughly 900 ft-lbs vs roughly 2150 ft-lbs.
Thats another 0, aka, another order of magnitude.
And I stand by a 30.06 at 500 yards having enough KE to shatter a Moose femur.
while I sorta doubt you did the “math on the physics”, my bigger worry is referring to .30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesn’t exist, as far as I’m aware.
but stating, factually, that there is “zero chance” of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible. there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
while I sorta doubt you did the “math on the physics”
As I said, look through my comment history.
.30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesn’t exist, as far as I’m aware.
Oh my god, I made a formatting typo, therefore I am wrong.
but stating, factually, that there is “zero chance” of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible.
Not it isn’t, because I am correct, about a 30 awktua 06, from the range it was fired from, impacting Kirk at the angle it did.
You must I guess not be aware or how the intial reports from before the autopsy was fully done/released were that Charlie Kirk must have just had literally superhuman bone strength.
Kolvet claimed a doctor told him Kirk’s “incredibly dense bone” stopped a high-powered round that entered his neck during the September 10 shooting at Utah Valley University.
“It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn’t get killed. It should have gone through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too,” Kolvet quoted the surgeon as saying. Instead, the bullet lodged beneath the skin. He added that Kirk’s body prevented it from striking people standing behind him.
“Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him,” Kolvet wrote.
This is, as we say, fucking obvious horseshit.
You of course don’t know about this, because you have not done any research into the actual Kirk assassination whatsoever.
There are many, many more things that involved people said, elements of the supposed story of how Kirk got got… that do line up, that do not make sense, that are inconsistent.
I’m not confident enough to say ‘Israel killed Kirk’ because I have not yet seen conclusive evidence of that.
But I am confident enough to say that the official FBI story is full of obvious holes, say what I said about the 30000000.6, that this all stinks to high heaven.
there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
You could go look through my comment history to see doing that, or, you can just assume I didn’t.
I’ve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods, I’ve shot firearms, I’m one of the ‘realism purists’ when it comes to tactical shooters, I taught myself coding and vector algebra as a teenager literally to solve this ‘problem’ that I thought most games of the time were being too ‘lazy’ about.
I’ve made ballistic models that will figure out likely penetration/ricochet/splatter apart impact angles, when a bullet of various speeds and itself being made of different materials, in different configurations (FMJ, HP, etc), impacts against different materials, which are themselves layered volumetrically.
You don’t need anywhere near that level of real world physical fidelity to be able to confidently state what I stated. Its rather trivial.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
I mean…not to be THAT GUY but this line alone is pretty off. Depends on may factors like any other round, but 5.56 has 1/2-2/3 the energy of a 30-06 round at about 200yd. Ballistic data is pretty easy to come by. Saying that you’ve programmed some stuff for a few games and simulated models doesn’t mean anything at all when your scientific measurement is an imaginary moose femur at 500yds.
Anyway…they have a shooter and his rifle, so I don’t even know why we’re still discussing caliber.
Holy shit it’s one of those guys, the “I did my research” guys. I never get to see them these days. Amazing. Imagine this energy used for something like painting miniatures instead
I’ve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods,
That’s so cool. Which ones?
Games that I am working on in my spare time, haven’t finished yet due to spending the last 2 years recovering from becoming homeless amd becoming greivously injured.
Mods for Garrys Mod that don’t exist as I originally made them anymore, because Garry deleted the entire FacePunch forums…
But, if you play with any reasonably advanced SWEP bases… pretty good chance they’re based off of the bones of what I made 20 years ago.
You’re of course free to not believe any of that, but you could also maybe try an actually go through and check the math that I’ve already done.
Its not that hard for a non crippled person to search through a user’s comments.
It is on the other hand quite painful for a crippled person who has been doing nothing other than Physical Therapy for the last year as a full time occupation to keep trifling with MachismoGrande.
Your sources are trust me bro, a shifty sounding website, and your own comments you cannot be bothered to link to. If anything you are saying is true, you’re convincing people it’s not by how you’re reacting here.
I skimmed your comment history and don’t see any math there. If you’re going to make such claims, show your work.
I mean, we can distrust both. I’m not clear on what you think happened. Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer? In any case what is the motivation for lying about the weapon used…?
Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer?
Correct.
I think he was/is a patsy.
I think he did take a weapon, on that day, to the spot he was at… but he cannot have fired the shot that hit Kirk, from that location, with a 30.06.
Also… there is inconsistency about the entire timeline of where he was when, what he did with the weapon, and even what weapon we are even talking about.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Trp2oAltsj0
Did he… dissassemble it, and then reassemble it, and then go to the location, and then disassemble it, run and jump off the roof, and then reassemble it, and then hide it?
That doesn’t make sense.
The FBI said that he wrapped up the gun in a towel or blanket, and hid it and planned to retrieve it later.
But … the picture of the supposed recovered firearm … is not wrapped in anything, its … in a cardboard box.
The optic is mounted so poorly that it would probably be an overall detriment to making the shot it supposedly made.
So did he… hastily reassemble a weapon he intended to hide, poorly, for some reason?
And did he wrap it up, or put it in a box?
Theres also a … lot of doubt that the correspondence between the shooter/patsy and his ‘boyfriend’, from the day itself is actually real, it uses highly unrealistic language.
You’ve got the weird older crazy guy who loudly announced he was the shooter, but… he wasn’t.
But he also said the point of him doing that was to allow the actual shooter to escape.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20e1jx0p5jo
A 71-year-old man who was briefly detained moments after the assassination of Charlie Kirk tried to help the suspected gunman escape by faking a confession, authorities say.
Utah County Sheriff Michael Smith said George Zinn admitted to police that he had “yelled that he was the shooter to allow the actual suspect to flee”.
…
Mr Zinn “intentionally yelled he was the shooter and by doing so, obstructed Law Enforcement from focusing on the actual shooter”, the sheriff said in a statement.
Court documents filed by campus police allege that Mr Zinn began shouting: “I shot him - now shoot me.”
…
Mr Zinn is well known among organisers of public events in Salt Lake City, the New York Times reported. “He showed up frequently to public forums with the intention to disrupt the event or question a high-profile speaker,” it said.
He also has a long history of minor crimes, including an arrest in 2013 for sending a threatening email to the hosts of the Salt Lake City Marathon just days after the Boston Marathon bombing, the newspaper wrote.
I mean, I can’t prove this, but if there ever was a plant, a paid agitator, a ‘crisis actor’… this is what it would look like.
I think the kid genuinely did plan and intend to kill Kirk… and that other people knew about this, and essentially shadowed him.
Palantir? Discord?
Oh, yeah, turns out all that shit’s monitored and catalogued in real time.
So, shadow the kid with a crew.
If the kid was gonna do it, great, he did it, mission accomplished.
If not, well, shooter 2 will pull the trigger if patsy wusses out, and then patsy takes the blame.
And I think scenario 2 is what happened there.
Who all, specifically, is involved in scenario 2?
Well, I don’t know all the exact names, but Kash Patel is one of them, you know, Captain Coverup, some of the others would have to be close to Kirk.
All of this, this is all speculation.
As I said, I know what a gun can and can’t do, the rest of this is a fucking mess.
Wait so he’s a patsy
But he also killed him
They just went the extra mile to change the rifle (and angle)?
Yeah i am not going to entertain a stupid grassy knoll theory about Chucky kirk, of all people.
I feel like that’s a little intellectually dishonest to not even consider a theory that opposes the story of the most corrupt and dishonest administration in modern American history. One that has been extremely willing to cover up and lie about Americans who were executed by ICE on video. Especially, when there is in fact so much that is weird and wrong about the official story and the major impact hat it would have to the public to know that Israel can literally murder Americans and the government will sweep it under the rug. I’m not asking you to believe it, I’m asking you to consider the possibility fairly.
Candice Owens has suggested that various powers that be played a role in Kirk’s assassination, particularly for speaking out against Israel.
Mental illness can cause you to have irrational thoughts.
Sly way of saying that Israel killed Kirk, who knows with Israel, could be true.
Israel’s big reveal is going to be that they did in fact send an agent to the western hemisphere hundreds of years ago just to bury some golden tablets in upstate New York and will be activating the entirety of Deseret with the phrase “Hie to Kolob”.
Would the “law of return” apply to Lamanites?
Knowing how conspiratorial and antisemitic (as opposed to rightfully antizionist) she is, I’m going to assume she’s implying that THE (((JEWS)))™️ assassinated Kirk and then went to war with Iran with us as their meat puppet ally.
I feel like it’s the kind of shit that a bunch of drunken college kids would do as a prank.
Like they’re all standing around laughing at the people that are actually believing this shit and laughing even more at the people that get upset.
That’s because you don’t have a MAGA in your brain.
“And its still the utmost tragedy that he was so mercilessly slaughtered.”
“And the US soldiers and civilians in Iran that have been killed since the illegal war actually started?”
“Ehh, these things happen.”
It’s all part of The Plan
Can anyone explain because my brain’t
Candance Owens not brain good.
Not other things good either.
Klandace thinks it is suspicious that a French woman wears a scarf a lot or that Hitler wouldn’t have been so bad if he just stayed in Germany. Don’t put too much thought into what she says or thinks.
The poster in the screenshot is a moron. Charlie Kirk was assassinated 2025 Sept. The Iran war was illegally started LITERALLY LAST WEEK. They are trying to weaponize Kirks death and make him relevant again. This is a huge disgrace in my opinion, bc of both the insane time duration b/t Sept 2025 and today, and also completely ignoring the deaths of ACTUAL US SERVICEMEN and SERVICEWOMEN that came about due to this war.
Edit: the iran war started 2-3 weeks ago. My bard. But my point still stands.
Can I have your bard?
His bard is infamous for fudging the numbers. What numbers do you need fudging?
Basically to kind of expand on what the other commenter said, Candace kind of believes that Israel had something to do with Charlie Kirk’s death. So basically the post is a dumb conspiracy theory that Charlie Kirk was killed because he was in the way of Israel attacking Iran.
Capitalising the word “war” as if it was a deity makes sense for an American politician
Candace Owens isn’t a politician. She’s a useful idiot that says controversial stuff and makes conservatives feel good about themselves because surely if a black lady says stuff they agree with, then that’s almost the same as having black friends and therefore they can’t be racist.
Funded by political groups though. The lines start to get blurry, and that’s before a current president taps them to join their rapidly changing cabinet staff
Why does Candace Owens suck Charlie Kirk’s dead dick so hard? He famously hated black people, especially black women. He would not have gone to bat for her like she does for him.
Had she been shot instead, he would have blamed black criminality
