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The performance comments were a dead giveaway.
Nobody’s complaints with setting Linux up are that it runs slowly.
It may not run much of anything until you sort out your drivers properly, but it will do everything incorrectly LIGHTNING fast, compared to Windows.
Yeah I clocked the twist halfway through, Linux isn’t perfect but most are simply not Linux issues.
I just got banned from a community called Linux sucks this morning 😂 what a weird community! Like if you don’t like Linux just don’t use it? People are so strange
The most obvious bait to be was 1 hour install time. Windows 11 took 2 hours to install, CachyOS took like 5 minutes. I imagine Arch is similar, there is simply no way. Lol
The biggest fucking lie
“…in geological terms.”
Updating. Do not turn of computer.
100% complete
Also: “Update and shut down”
Did you say “update and shutdown while also rebooting?”
Coming back to my PC and it being on when I expect it off, along with the notification that I hadn’t used notifications in a while, is what pushed me over the edge to running linux for everything.
I use win only at work anymore, no choice. Update and shut down is the biggest fucking lie. I press it every time, it never did shut down.
I remember installing Arch on an ancient MacBook I’ve got. Set the installer going then put it to one side knowing it was going to take a while.
It took about 7 minutes.
Of course, I then spent two hours trying to get the fucking Broadcom drivers to work, but that’s by the by.
No offense, but what are you installing it on? One of the things I oversee at my job is imaging. Installing fresh windows on any of our hardware is between 7 and 15 minutes total. Since windows 10 I also haven’t seen any need for additional drivers either unless you have something uncommon or want to replace one. Not trying to defend Windows, I just can’t understand how everyone always has the worst problems imaginable with it.
In the case I’m referencing, I was installing Windows 11 for a five year old gaming computer using the Windows 10 upgrade software, no USB or anything like that.
Technically I was going to use a custom USB made with Rufus to remove copilot, but by the time I got there they had already started the upgrade process. It really did take two hours, including the 15 minutes before I got there.
I recently figured out that Windows installs can go way faster if you have a slightly better USB stick. I bought an Intenso High Speed Line 64 GB for 10.90€ and it cut down the time by half or even two thirds I would say.
Of course I try to avoid installing Windows in the first place, but I’m not just working on my own machines.
Sure, and Internet speeds probably matter a bit too. The download part was a bit faster than I remember, but then it hung up on the later parts for a while. Lol
That was exactly where I was like, “huh”? Cause Cachy took hardly any time to install and windows is notoriously slow.
Windows 11 took me 7 hours over 3 different days. Had to start and stop multiple times, had to retry multiple times, had to post support requests and wait, and to dive into bios because default settings that worked fine with Linux were making windows kill itself.
Oh yeah, my first try was downloading a Windows ISO and using KDE writer to put it on a USB, BIG mistake because we all know that windows sabotages their ISOs so that you can only burn them with a windows burner program.
Even when it finally worked, it still took a goddamn 2 hours and so many ads, so many “please also buy this!”
Once it was done I had setup windows with steam for my step son and then he didn’t use the machine anyway
Arch install time is mostly user dependent Id say
The second issue was too blatant, I knew I was getting the old 4chan bait and switch
i remember windows not having drivers for wireless and wired networking and requiring an internet connection to install.
had to find a usb ethernet adapter to install. absolute insanity…
I feel like he’s gonna get banned for posting this on that subreddit lmao
He 100% going to be banned, I was banned with doing nothing wrong there. The mods there are bit crazy
I’m glad I got banned from r/linuxsucks101 before I got perma-banned from reddit
it’s all systemD fault!
The built in “app stores” that come on Linux distros are also complete jokes, the ones I’ve tried to use anyways.
Why and which did you use? I haven’t had an issue with KDE Discover. Pop Shop was ass a few years back but it works well now that it is “Cosmic Store”.
Not a fan of KDE Discover. Bazaar looks promising.
Snap store can get the hell outta here.
Oh good. I fucking hate the snap store and thought it was my incompetence making it terrible, but here’s at least one other
Discover is ok… If you limit it to only managing Flatpaks.
I’m not sure I’d ever trust a GUI to manage pacman/apt/dnf
I think Flatpaks are the future for general user installed apps. It’s way more secure and user friendly for non tech people. I’ve even had some flatpaks run significantly better, like Brave, despite conventional wisdom saying otherwise for a browser.
I’m gonna be honest, 99% of what I need to do, I do through Discover. Like, why would I bother typing a command out when the update button is right there.
Synaptic is decent, but it doesn’t exactly feel like an “App Store”.
CachyOS now doesn’t even ship with Discover and if you install it there’s a banner warning you not to use it to update base packages as it can mess stuff up.
CachyOS now ships with and recommends Shelly, and just from trying to use it I get the feeling it’s fundamentally flawed (both in the front-end and back-end), but I don’t know enough about package management to know for certain.
I was wondering about Shelly when I was reading the release notes for Cachy. What do you feel is flawed?
Oh wild. I still just hit Cachy Update, because I don’t like Octopi, but I should try that out.
Tho I was considering giving NixOS a try
updates, sure. let discover or gnome software do 'em.
my debian won’t break the system.
to install, though? i’d rather see exactly what’s going on. i don’t always want to bring in every tom, dick and recommend. i use aptitude.
I actually like both Bazaar and discover. I enjoy using them to just browse for interesting apps. For linux to ever become adoptable for more people, good GUIs are absolute must haves. If you don’t like them that is of course fine, but it serves the greater good to have the option of using them.
You don’t compile everything from code yourself? Amateur. /s
Truth. Fortunately updating and installing via command line is so easy and quick that I rarely feel the need to use Discover.
The Internet is my app store.
Who needs app stores anyway
Software is files, idgaf where they come from
Yeah that’s my only real complaint about Linux. I miss the ease of just downloading an exe and double clicking it
Ironically I liked Chocolatey package manager on Windows. Hitting update and everything just updates is great. I hate launching a program and it’s like “here’s an update you need to do before using this and if you kick it down the road you’ll forget about it till next time you launch me”
You can technically do that but app images have their own issues.
Haven’t used Windows in a hot minute, do you actually have to install WLAN drivers manually there?
It gets worse. For some reason InTune managed machines I deploy at work don’t even work HARDWIRED. It only works if you use a USB C to Ethernet adapter. No, it is not missing an Ethernet port. It just doesn’t work for absolutely no reason. I just did a remote InTune training, and had to download drivers from Dell’s website, extract the exe (lol), put it on a flash drive, and install it manually before I could even log into Windows.
If you don’t have an Ethernet connection, fairly regularly
It’s at least better than the Vista days where it didn’t even have an Ethernet driver consistently, and you had to download your Ethernet driver from another computer 🤷♂️
No, the windows updater usually grabs them just fine.
But if you do a clean install using the image from microsoft, then it’s very likely it won’t have a working wifi driver until you run updates. Which you know… it needs the internet to do.
That pissed me so off, when i had to reinstall a bunch of notebooks at work… they didn’t even have an ethernet port, so i had to dig out some docking station from the trash pile in the server room.
most network and wifi chips made before the spin of windows are supported by built-in drivers.
not the case for most new hardware, especially laptops. Sure you get a cheap laptop and its probably gonna be fine but an enterprise laptop with the latest and greatest… totally a coin flip
I have had to deal with it on so many models in recent years its not even funny. (IT system admin who never uses the default install of Windows)
Isn’t this more of a “to cheap to make the device fall back to a low performance emulating-generic” type of issue?
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When I tried to install Windows 10 2 years ago on my mini PC it tried to install wifi drivers but failed. Wifi only worked after manually downloading and installing the driver. Various Linux distros were plug and play and wifi worked out of the box.
There are some cheap wifi cards that have sketchy drivers that aren’t automatically installed, and my gigabyte motherboard only came with drivers for Windows 11 for its on-board WiFi, so while windows usually gets the drivers fine there are not-even-that-obscure situations where it just absolutely does not.
When I tried to migrate to W11 a number of years ago, the wireless drivers weren’t installed automatically (plus major issues with my GPU and lots of other quirks). They’ve probably gotten better since then, but I wouldn’t know (after about three hours of trying to get basic things working, I tried loading Mint on a thumbdrive and everything worked out of the box, including things like function keys and adjustable keyboard backlighting–I never went back).
Had the issue, so yes.
The easiest way to solve it was to not dual-boot. :-)
Not in 11 that i’ve seen but drivers used to be ridiculous on windows. The funny thing is it was even worse on linux for a hot minute. I remember borking my nic multiple times on slackware 3 and having to hoof it to my friend’s house to download a driver way back in olden times. I learned a fuckload about linux and networking during those years breaking things.
“so i tried to install arch–”
I stopped reading. Learn how to write a sentence and try installing a sensible distro.
Edit: I finished reading it. LOL.
Wait, windows ships with Dolphin these days?
🤷♂️ OP’s bait isn’t perfect. But apparently you can download Dolphin for Windows
Back in the KDE 4 days, you used to be able to run the whole DE on Windows.
and it is a slog to start up. op ain’t lying there. but if its files remain in windows’ cache after that, it’s fast.
Amazing!
Well, I learned something new today :)
Useful if you have to use SolidWorks/PDM or another broken file explorer integration.
You can. I wouldn’t. I saw no clear advantages and had stability issues and couldn’t get it to play nice with a gdrive I needed for work
Nice troll XD
Valid complaints, linux should work on those things
Valid or not, we have three options: 1) Put up with the current situation. 2) Fix the problem. 3) Pay someone else to fix the problem.
