The tech bros are turning everything to shit so you don’t notice any one thing is shit because it’s all shit now. Genius
I’m starting to think Microsoft gives windows a new version number every time they want to make a bunch of big breaking changes, just so the bad reputation can die when they rebrand it as Windows 12 (or whatever stupid naming scheme their marketing team comes with next.)
I’m not here to say get windows 11 but I did a fresh install several months ago when I got my 4090 off Facebook marketplace and I haven’t had a problem yet. I just use it for gaming and don’t really update my Nvidia drivers unless the hivemind says to. Idk that’s my experience I guess.
Agreed. I really enjoy Windows 11’s HDR implementation. Never has it been more simple to get HDR working properly.
Heretic!
I know that linux is the popular answer to this problem.
I use a Mac and it’s a pretty good machine. I know it isn’t for everyone, but it works well enough for me and has enough mainstream support. As well the hardware has gotten ’ good enough’
MacOS is not hostile to me when I want to run and install programs. There is some opensource support on the platform and the a good amount of closed source programs.
I do miss the wide ranging PnP hardware support for things like SAS/LTO
Mac hardware is great. But they overcharge so much and are so anti right to repair that I could never give them my money
Yeah the closed ecosystem is just cutting off your nose to game on your face
I think it’s not hard to understand how MacOS is easily better than Windows. I don’t think Apple is enshittifying quite as fast as Microsoft, if at all.
I detest this company for many reasons, it’s like they go out of their way to make dealing with them as painful as possible.
Here’s just one example I discovered today. I have a Windows 10 VM I needed to upgrade to 11 but the “PC Health Check” app says no, the i5 processor isn’t supported.
I can, however, create a new VM and install 11 on the exact same hardware, so that’s what I did, along with a whole bunch of extra work to get the new VM set up the same as the old Windows 10 VM was.
Why? Because fuck you, that’s why.
Assholes.
Have you tried creating a new VM and attaching your existing vhdx or whatever to it?
I just went for a new installation. Why would that work? Just curious.
It sounds like your VM config was presenting a COU or TPM config that the upgrade wasn’t comfortable with. If your new machine presented acceptable configs to a brand new VM, then making a new VM and feeding it the old .vhdx would be the same as pulling a storage device and putting it in a new motherboard that was win 11 compliant. After a reboot to install new drivers it probably would have upgraded happily.
Hmm, the only barrier to upgrading was that the i5 processor wasn’t supported, no complaints about TPM/motherboard compatibility and a fresh install worked fine on the exact same hardware. Oh well, it’s done anyway.
There is a way to upgrade directly. I got this from Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/1afu0uj/is_it_safe_to_install_windows_11_on_my_microsoft/
It works fine - you just won’t get the more advanced security features available in more recent laptops.
- Boot up into Windows 10
- ensure you have 30GB free space
- Download the .iso: https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11
- right-click the .iso and select “mount” to create a virtual DVDROM
- create a new folder on your main system drive and copy all the files from the virtual DVDROM
- start a command-prompt
- navigate to the folder where you copied all the files
- run the following:
.\sources\setupprep.exe /product server
This will not actually install the server version of windows but will bypass the CPU check so that you can install Win11 on an unsupported CPU. The actual version of Windows installed will depend on the version of Win10 you have: Pro, Home, or Enterprise, for example.
Thank you for this. I already did a fresh install but it’s interesting that your link is to the Surface subreddit just to rub some more salt in the wound. The processor is officially supported for upgrades only if it’s in Microsoft’s hardware. I hate them so much.
This is how i feel about 98% of Azure. Its just so needlessly complicated, with incomprehensible defaults, and out of date documentation, and APIs that just fail silently.
So much this. I actually pulled all of our servers from Azure and went back to a regular provider. Way cheaper as well.
I don’t know if it’s funny or frustrating that everything people are complaining about with Windows 11 are the exact same things we were complaining about with every previous version of Windows from 95 to 10: lack of control, limited configuration and bugs. Yes, Linux was super raw and difficult back then but we still switched and worked hard to make it better. I think all the articles encouraging people to switch today are missing simple “Thank you”.
The difference is more dramatic now. Linux isn’t so finicky, largely thanks to hard work but also to Windows’ feature stagnation, meaning Linux isn’t a “few years behind” like before. Imagine the situation if, say, Microsoft hadn’t completely screwed up UWP.
Meanwhile, users subconsciously ignored a lot of junk with 95, Vista, 8, whatever. But that’s much harder to ignore in 11.
Linux is so much better now! My only gripe is inconsistent/buggy dock support, but resetting Cinnamon every 15-20 minutes is a small price to pay for freedom.
Yeah, see, that’s an “old Windows” kind of problem! “Oh, the printer works fine as long as I don’t leave it plugged in too long.” Users learn to deal with that.
Outlook + the start menu changing overnight, and ceasing to work, and the younger tech scratching their head because they haven’t gotten the update? Or a “wait, it’s screenshotting my stuff?” That’s different. It’s completely out of the user’s control.
But the comparison is different now, Linux on the desktop is better and Windows is worse.
For example, if you turn off a bunch of telemetry options instead of stopping sending data it stops collecting it. That sounds subtle but it matters. It breaks functionality that has existed for >20 years, simple things like remembering what the last command was in the run dialogue when you open it.
Uh, window was always worse. Well since at least windows XP. Linux desktop has been better for a very long time.
I think for most of us that use and understand Linux, it has been better for a while.
It hasn’t been very long since Linux has been better for your average, non techy users.
Windows XP added so many anti consumer features, along with horrible security, that it really was that bad.
While linux desktop environments added so many usable features that Windows didnt have… I would say that windows people simply didnt know.
Luckily i keep not running into the issues, Its mostly the unwanted windows features that seem to irritate me (f off onedrive and copilot) I keep trying to swap but I found what im good at finally and it is bricking linux installs.
Switch to Windows LTSC. Doesn’t have copilot, no store, no onedrive, no candy crush and tiktok on a fresh install, and no need to figure out an account bypass.
Its the closest thing to what Windows was up to Windows 7 of a boring OS that you use to launch programs without it trying to be helpful or encourage you to login to an account.
Can this swap be done live, or does it need to be on a fresh install??
I have Jellyfin/arr stack/Immich PC on win 11 and I freaking hate it, but dread swapping everything over to Linux
If Windows crosses a the threshold of “major OEMs start shipping Linux,” what happens to windowscentral?
Do they split the staff/site to a linuxcentral? Winecentral?
Is there real time support communities around wine? I have some software that doesn’t work. (X-tool Studio, not yet in WineHQ).
Wine is honestly shit for most things outside of gaming. It looks like it works in Wine though.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=21353
Unfortunately that is the previous iteration of the Xtool software
Oh sorry. Have you tried running the new version in Wine?
Yeah and I get an error, but not sure what it means. I went into #winehq on libera but so far no notifications
What does the error say?
It looks like winehq has a few IRC channels. Never tried any of them myself though: https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/IRC
And looking like they are impossible to solve. It seems that the OS is more and more a black box of vibe coding and marketing wank as time passes.
Frankly I’ve never had any issues running Windows 11. It’s just the OS in the background for me. I think the biggest difference is I always run Enterprise versions (not Pro or Home) and most of that crap is either non-existent, disabled by default or easy to disable via GPO.
The big thing for people to realize is that Enterprise is the version most all businesses (especially large ones) run, and Microsoft isn’t going to crap on them as easily. And they know by extension, people will run what their business is, but they can get away with making Pro and Home crappier since it’s just individuals who would switch, not large swaths.
Pro and Home is where they test-market the worst of the garbage… some of it does make it into Enterprise - a surprising amount has gotten into Office 365 - but, yeah, not enough to make it completely dysfunctional.
Lol its amazing how Noone in the real world knows that microsoft makes OS’s without all the enshitification shit in them that run decent, dont block features from being disabled, are all around non-infuriating piles of shit like the non-enterprise versions, charge an arm and a leg for it. Then microsoft (or at the same time didnt mean one before the other) releases the functionally identical OS versions but so facefucked full of enshitification shit they constantly break, these versions hold you down with an update pistol in your mouth that tells you inorder to live you will update every fucking shitstorm we tell you to, it rapes yo wife, rapes yo kids, ignores all bugs calling them features, all the while having a bomb strapped to their chest that says you dont accept everything we ruin of yours we blow your whole fucking system sky high. And those versions they call Home and Pro versions.
My company (130,000 employees) sticks to 24H2. IT wouldn’t approve the 25H2. Don’t know whether the refusal to upgrade hurts Microsoft in any way, but if it does, I think we’re big enough to be on their radar, and perhaps they talk to our IT about concerns and complaints we may have.
I had a few issues with 25H2 on release, but they’re largely fixed now.
24H2 and 25H2 are the same thing, it’s just enabling a few different changes. But things like the new obnoxiously ugly start menu have started showing on my 24H2 machines so I don’t really know what the difference is.
So Microsoft is so diversified, 130K isn’t even a drop to them. We had almost 200K seats of E3 and when I calculated out the revenue from our EA vs their total revenue, it came up to something like 0.012%. Even though it was tens of millions of dollars on our end, we’re still a drop in the bucket to them.
This is the issue I have with people talking about how “you MUST always run the most up to date software”. They don’t understand that in large enterprise it is common for function and security to not update unless there is a damn good reason. The very idea that the newest version is the best is just marketing brainwashing and does not hold up to the reality of use.
25H2 is a feature update. 24H2, for now, gets all the same security fixes. When people say “always run the latest” they mean stay on a supported OS and always have as many security updates as possible within reason.
And they are laughably wrong. Its always the wannabe system admins with 4 end users spouting that nonsense. You get into any big organization and legacy becomes a larger and larger part of the way things are kept running. Hell just for shits and giggles look at the back end of blood banks, government, airports and non blood banks back end infrastructure. I would be shocked if anything was running on less then a decade old software. Hell people think that software hardened over years should just be tossed out the window because the company (who has now made it clear they don’t even know what they are doing) released a version with a bigger number.
Just what are they teaching these days? No OS is secure, exploits and vaunrabilitys are in them all. This should not be a hot take but all I see is lazy it departments offloading responsibly left and right. The correct way to handle this has always been from a risk management approach. You need to assume your not ever secure, make backups, develop a plan to recover after an event and if you have sensitive data handle it like it was sensitive. Now a days we have usernames and passwords stored in the same databases, plain text critical data, lack of redundancy at all levels and a slick sales package to justify it all.
Thank you! Lemmy is a bunch of people bitching about their brand name laptop running a garbage version of Windows and loaded with factory crapware.
But hey, they get to come here and comment smugly about Linux. Meanwhile, I haven’t read a single article talking about an issue I’ve actually seen, at home or office.
Are you upset at people criticizing Microsoft? Is that the point you are trying to make?
I was criticizing MS before most of lemmy was fucking born. But can you see what I’m saying?
“Never had these issues, not once.”
Lemmy: “Fuck you! Yes you have! You’re not in our tribe!” (Also lemmy: Only idiot conservatives defend their tribe no matter what.)
Can you see how insane that is from my perspective? Installed Windows 10 on this SSD 8-years ago. Moved that SSD through 3 or 4 PCs and upgraded to 11, no problems.
Then there was a very similar thread about people trying to switch to Linux:
“As soon as I get $basic_driver working, I can finally switch!”
Been running Linux servers for 20-years. I never use MS unless there’s a compelling reason, IIS or some bullshit. But the Linux desktop is still a clusterfuck.
“It’s awesome if you use $distro with $desktop! You’ll have problems with $x, $y and $z, but you can fix that by [command line work].”
“OK. I can make Windows go with a base ISO and some PowerShell. No ads, no horseshit, start menu is flawless.”
“Look at this idiot that has to use a CLI to make his OS work!”
These people are like atheists that just learned you don’t have to believe in god.
You just come off as unusually worked up about the Microsoft criticisms is why I ask.
Its not even a lemmy thing exclusive either. From reddit to youtube there’s been lot of criticism of the direction of consumer Windows 11 that there’s people providing guides now on getting LTSC.
I used windows since 3.1 up till 11. It’s dogshit after windows 7 even when I use cmd scripts to limit telemetry and customize it because MS with their infinite wisdom decided to revert my customizations to their default dogshit.
Linux is not perfect at all but Id rather dealing with linux issues over greedy executive decisions to cause issues intentionally.
It’s dogshit after windows 7
Lol
Not only were there several dogshit windows versions before 7, 8 was an upgrade in almost every way other than “omg start menu big now” culture shock. The new task manager alone was worth having a slightly bigger start menu.
Which is, by the way, totally ok. If you buy an expensive computer and it is getting shipped with a garbage version of an OS that is something to complain about. It’s also totally reasonable to complain that there is a garbage version at all. People shouldn’t need to reinstall their brand new computers with pirated enterprise versions to escape the abuses of Microsoft. At least let us bitch about this here, dude!
Pirated? You may not be aware, but you can download Windows ISOs straight from Microsoft. The second you boot your machine and register it, the license is permanent and you can install Windows forever.
If retail laptops came with enterprise or the upgrade to enterprise was free or the home and pro versions had the same minimal crapware as enterprise then you might have a point.
But that isn’t the case and Linux is still free and not full of shit so the smugness is mostly justified and you’re mostly wrong.
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Register your new laptop.
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Wipe and reinstall an official ISO from Windows without the crapware.
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Best served tweaked with some PowerShell scripting.
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Download your Linux ISO and install
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Best served tweaked with CLI work to get everything working. If the drivers are even available.
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Ha! It’s 2026 now. Those problems can easily be ignored as they are all in the past.
I love the smell of pedantry in the morning
I like how taskbar buttons dynamically resize depending on window title. I like that the size of the buttons on the taskbar are all different, and I like not having a way to change this back to the boring obvious tried-and-true standard of having buttons that are all the same size.
I like that the rules appear to not make any fucking sense, leading to situations where you can have 3 entries for the same program with the same content open that are all different sizes.
I like it because it takes me out of whatever I’m doing and forces me to notice the user interface. I like getting distracted by little hints of movement at the bottom of the screen that make me stop and go “wait what the fuck did it just do”.
I like that when I last searched for “windows 11 taskbar button resize disable”, the only mention of the word “disable” on the first page of search results was this:
I like having to put “site:reddit.com” at the end of my search query before I can even begin to scratch the surface of the issue.
And I like having to ultimately give up and live with it because at the end of the day, it’s a feature and not a bug.
I like having to put “site:reddit.com” at the end of my search query before I can even begin to scratch the surface of the issue.
kagi.com solved this problem for me.
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Why in the world do you have titles of the taskbar?!
Ungrouped buttons with titles is very efficient for me, too. I grew up with Windows 95 (that was the default behaviour back then) and my brain can handle this really well. I despise grouped buttons I have to hover over to see the actual windows and the icons only mode makes the clickable area too small and annoying to navigate to.
I grew up with that too, but the only time I’ve had any sort of slowdown from grouped icons is when I’ve been juggling like 4 excel sheets. I don’t often find myself with that many instances of the same program open often enough for it to matter.
It was an adjustment at first back in… Windows 7 I think, but I really haven’t missed it since.
Yeah it took me a bit after 7 came out. But having all my excel windows in one group is way more efficent than two excel windows over here, one in the middle, and a 4th way off at the end of all my windows.
Visibility and accessibility of windows, without the need to expand a group or neutral icon.
I am really wondering this too. Seems like people just love making the user experience harder for themselves because “that’s what I grew up with”.
I can ignore them just fine since I am no longer using Windows.
I haven’t used Windows for more than 10 years and I’m happy too.
I think it’s worth repeating that Ubuntu has been available since 2005 (20 years now) and from the start it filled the needs of most users at home (i.e. watching crap on YouTube and using LibreOffice). Most users I have seen around me only have basic requirements and should have switched decades ago.
TL;DR: if you complain about your computer nowadays and don’t play games, install Ubuntu or Mint or anything else, I don’t care anymore.
Even playing games on Linux is much better now thanks to Steam. Never a better time to change. I want my next phone to have Ubuntu Touch as well. Fuck the horrible Google/Apple ecosystem.
This might interest you https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
damn that looks great. I can’t wait to get a decent linux phone!
There is only a subset of Windows games left that does not run on Linux. Mostly games with kernelbased Anti-Cheat and a few other outliers. I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for years now. Have a look at the ProtonDB website to see if your favourite games are running on Linux
Since the rise of proton gaming is now absolutely viable on Linux as well. The exclusive use cases for Windows are disappearing fast.
Shoutout to the crew at Lutris for their gaming platform as well. I play Guild Wars 2 and Elder Scrolls Online with it, and couldn’t be more pleased with the performance.
I’ve been playing games on [K]Ubuntu just for almost a decade now. There are no excuses, and haven’t been for a long time.
I’ve never used Windows - apart from new workplace requiring it. I largely not see it, unless corporate IT screws up.
Even corporate IT suffers. At my job, we have to apply updates pretty quickly. If Microsoft pushes a bad update, it’ll probably affect a lot of us. Or when they add a new feature like Copilot, they ship it without any administrative controls to turn it off.
I won’t deny it’s godawful to have shit split across AD, Group Policy, Regedit, and Azure/Entra/Intune.
But they very much still have controls for all this shit, almost always available before the feature rolls out. I’ve literally never seen this shit make it through to our end user devices in an un-intended fashion.
Hell, just hold non-security updates for a period of time for review before pushing it to your entire environment if this (not actually happening) issue is a concern. That’s like basic table stakes for Windows environment administration: update cadence management and pilot machines.
Please don’t claim to speak from a place of authority on this and then spread falsehoods. There’s plenty of shit to hate without making things up.
Like the third party app approvals in Azure and Teams defaulting to allow any non-admin user to be able to approve any azure app access to all of their data with no oversight. You can (and should) lock that the fuck down. It’s a batshit default, not a lack of controls.
That’s what I heard from the guys managing group policy in my org. It’s been several years since I did any group policy admin.
I also remember something about Teams pushing features without control. Maybe it was when they started letting users create teams groups.
they ship it without any administrative controls to turn it off.
I thought one of the saving grace of windows corporate was having finer control?
I don’t know what this guy is smoking. Copilot had administrative controls before it rolled out, through Intune and Group Policy.
The problem is Microsoft is trying to push the corporate environment away from on-prem infrastructure and into the cloud. There is less and less you can do from Active Directory and Group Policy, more and more of it gets moved to InTune everyday.
Microsoft is pushing Azure Arc as well, which is intended to let you manage your on-prem resources using your cloud management interfaces.
I can ignore it because I don’t have any of these issues. Haven’t read a single article in the last year or two that bitched about Windows problems I’ve seen IRL.
