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The worst thing about Linux is its users
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I am the smug well guy in this picture. You can complain and whine about Microsoft’s shitty practices to people who have no way of effecting them…oooorr you can use a different OS. Kind of a “better to light a candle than to curse the darkness” deal.
Who “won’t” switch to Linux? Emigrating to Linux is just not as simple as these people believe.
Some of us have our entire lives on Windows that will take forever to migrate with all the obligations and the crushing weight of work that we have to handle in our day to day life.
How society would thrive if we had true freedom.
There’s barely anything you “need” Windows for anymore. Especially as something like 99% of most people’s PC usage is web (including cloud-hosted Office type apps).
You say this, but you haven’t met all the programs I have to use for work.
Yeah, but if Microsoft spy on your work machine that’s the company’s problem. I still have to use Visual Studio, but not for anything out of work.
The solution to this is to organize with your coworkers and seize the means of production, and then vote to use only Free, Libre, and Open Source Software from now on. Easy peasy.
That’s why the NSA classifies Linux Journal readers as extremists.
I mean, at this point if you aren’t already on a list you are probably a bad person.
I mean, tbf, your other option is a violent takeover of the Microsoft corporation, complete with rifles and grenades and stuff, so like, by comparison “fucking install mint or fedora ffs” sounds a lot easier.
I mean yee I agree “microstof should just stop asshole,” but good fucking luck with that…
Finally, someone is starting to get a hint of what needs to happen with all those monopolies.
My producer had used Linux for almost 5 years by now (on the 20th of this month), and I had used it for just around the same amount of time (shorter than him).
This is way truer than you think in my opinion…
“I wish I wish upon a star for a multi billion dollar monopoly to self-regulate”
you can literally just switch on most cases though.
My first genie wish is for the EU to declare Windows 7 public domain and set up a team to maintain security and driver updates for it.
What about instead working on react OS? (Not made in react)
can you even do that without Microsoft saying ok (or suing you) ?
No. Even if EU went full on dictator and tried, how would they get the sourcode? :D Unless the US would force Microsoft to hand it over, it would not happen.
sourcode
I know this is a simple typo, but I think its fitting.
Thats even the funny part, you cant.
The reason they skipped Windows 9 was some ancient piece of code, lost to the ages that has been incorporated into Windows since dinosaurs once roamed the earth.
Atleast with the linux kernel you know who put what where, and can send them a fish in the mail if you think what they made stinks.
Yes but it would require EU politicians growing balls.
They could decompile it (disgusting), or they could places fines on them. Neither are good options.
As someone who considers themselves a “Linux-evangelist” and has run it exclusively on my devices for years, I really despise that the goto method for recruiting others is to shit on other OSs and claim that Linux beats them all. Whilst you’re not wrong and all your arguments are true, nobody wants to listen to that.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it. Alot of people really just liked it, but where more open to adopt since they arrived at the conclusion on their own, instead of being force-fed it.
I think it highly depends on the person. I have never been a ‘brand loyal’ type person. It was very likely Linux users clowning on Windows and OS X that got me interested enough to check it out.
I do believe you though, some people even if you simply try to correct their misconceptions about Linux get super defensive. It’s like Stockholm Syndrome, but for OS’s.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it.
I think the Steam Deck is helping in this area. People turn on ‘Desktop Mode’ just to try it and see that it’s not some scary esoteric thing, but basically works just like Windows or Mac.
Just today I had to explain to a coworker how I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don’t hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don’t want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.
I had to help someone figure out why their new storage drive wasn’t showing up, and it was because Windows has something called “Storage Spaces”, turning “unused” storage drives into a sort of virtual raid local One Drive. It’s a neat idea, but it hides the physical drive from File Explorer and Disk Management. That should be a feature you have to intentionally configure and enable, not something that can just happen automatically.
That is diabolical and gross. Definitely should be opt-in.
I give out live usbs like they’re candy (to friends who are Linux curious)
I wish I could, but my friends are too paranoid to plug anything I give them into their computer. I have shown of a bit too much of my fondness for homemade Rubber Duckies :3
Software and games.
No matter some people claims, there are always software/games that simply won’t run on Linux or no alternative available.
Did you know there’s Linux software that doesn’t run on windows too?
There’s always something, and it’s an easy excuse. How many people using that excuse actually have one of those few missing pieces blocking them?
And frankly, it’s so easy to dual boot at this point. I do get it, I have to hang on to windows to use fusion360, at least for certain projects.
I’ll be damned if I’m going to waste my time and patience on windows for anything I can avoid though.
Read my comment again. “…no alternative available”
Believe me, there are a lot of users that their software needed for their job only works on Windows. It’s not even some Adobe, Office, or generic software that we often hear. These software is hyperly specific that you will only know if you do the job.
Moving to Linux without any actual software equivalent is basically asking them to abandon their jobs.
Read my comment again. “Dual booting is so easy now…”
Yeah I covered that issue pretty directly.
The newer updates to Wine are making that less relevant.
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I only play competitive online. Kernel anti-cheat does not work on Linux.
Kernel anti-cheat does not work on Linux
And hopefully never will.
Please keep the spyware on the spyware operating system.
I’ve been a Linux user nearly exclusively) for over 20 years, I still keep an iPad and a windows desktop around for government stuff because the their apps and websites don’t work on my hardened systems (sus) or through TOR (less sus).
Then the gaming community will never move to Linux. Easy as that.
I can play SF6 and Dota2 on Linux. Are those not competitive? If I’m able to play these games free of cheaters on Linux, what’s stopping any other company from allowing me to play my games there? Guess what, games with kernel-level anti-cheat still have cheaters even when they universally block Linux from playing at all. Will allowing the OS with ~3% market share (specifically the subset of that 3% that will even be playing that game) make the cheater population skyrocket? I know your point is that you simply won’t switch if you can’t use/play what you want, but you’re complaining about an instance where the only thing preventing you from doing that is the corporation who makes the product, and has nothing to do with Linux itself.
The competitive online gaming community is not the gaming community.
Wrong, but it’s ok if you think that.
I think you could add
“, but it is a part of that community”.
And you get the idea of what is being said.
Kernel anti-cheat won’t work on windows soon anyways
Ok, I’ll bite.
How come?
After the whole crowd strike debacle Microsoft is trying to remove most things from the kernel into user land, including anti-cheat. If this will actually makes wine possible for those games is still up for debate but either way kernel-level anti-cheat seems to be on the way out.
https://pureinfotech.com/microsoft-removes-antivirus-windows-kernel/
That first sentence is so greasy
It’s a nice outlet for my competitive nature. I get close to zero enjoyment from single player games or pve.
Fair enough, but most solutions to restrict data gathering by windows are often worked around by Microsoft via eventual windows updates which is a perpetual risk. In my experience, using Linux is less of a headache in the long run.
I mean, there are only
twothree realistic options (four if you are that one BSD user):-
Either you use Windows and let Microsoft spy on you (or rely on unbloating scripts which might eventually break your OS and not even block all Microsoft spyware in the first place);
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You buy overpriced Mac computer, that might also spy on you, who knows;
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You use Linux.
Apple does spy on you, but unlike Google and Microsoft, they don’t sell your data.
But you still have to decide if you trust them with your info
Linux is the way to go* if you absolutely want to avoid any kind of spyware
*be mindful of the distro you choose. Some do have telemetry
If the telemetry is opt-in with a dialog window at first boot explaining why developers need telemetry, i don’t see the problem. It’s the difference between data freely given to help improve the system vs. data taken without consent to make you a better advertisement target.
edit: and i am pretty sure that the average FOSS-dev has way better ethics than the average microsoft data broker.
Apple does spy on you, but unlike Google and Microsoft, they don’t sell your data.
They are an American company though, so who knows how secure their data really is if a rich person decides they really want access.
Credit where credit is due, Apple did fight against FBI over something like this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple–FBI_encryption_dispute
Yes the company has been good about not just handing over customer data, but I was thinking more in terms of if the data was taken by force, like by a fascist government.
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This edit ruins the point of the comic entirely.
I thought that was the part OP found humorous.
No it doesn’t. Not everyone is able or wants to switch to Linux.
Applying the usual context to this scenario, the usual meaning would hold if the well-guy was a Windows person. Usually it’s someone who thinks the whining is overblown, and the person in whining without really meaning it.
I think usually the well guy in this case is a person that has switched away. They may fail to understand how the person is stuck, but they at least walked the walk and sincerely think the other person should too, rather than just mocking them.
On the one hand you have people being overly dismissive of app and game compatibility concerns, on the other hand you get to hear a community fighting against the current to keep their platform acceptable rather than doing anything that might penalize Windows for their choices as a platform.
About 15 years ago I gave Linux a try, liked it and showed it to my wife who is less technical than me. She said she found it nicer than windows so I put it in the common computer and never looked back.
You can find as many excuses not to use Linux as I can give you reasons and solutions to try it… at the end of the day, try it, don’t try it, it’s your decision and you get to live with the consequences of those decisions. Me evangelizing about Linux is just as painful as hearing Window users complain about it yet unwilling to do anything but whine about it
If you do give it a try and have an issue, there are plenty places to get help for Linux better than the MS forums, this is undeniable.
Also, notice Windows is like bumper cars while Linux is like the entire vehicle fleet of the world, you want to drive a tank, you got it… wanna drive a super car, got it… wanna drive a hot air balloon that moves on good wishes, Linux has one distro just like that… you probably should not learn to drive in a Ferrari when you are late for work, choose a beginner friendly distro and move on from there at your pace if you feel like it
This. To many people who “just want to use” a computer, the OS in the background won’t make much of a difference, but linux makes it easier for the one maintaining it.
Lots less of us maintainer types than user types. User types like to pay for someone to fix it and buy a new one when that fails. There’s no enlightening them. When more pc’s come as Linux from the store and there is better support for a unified installer the real uptake won’t happen.
For me, it’s simple, it’s gaming. As soon as I can run competitive online games on Linux, I’ll switch fully. Meanwhile, my non gaming computer runs Linux, but my gaming rig runs Windows.
Same. I have a gaming PC with Windows 11 only use it for gaming. Everything else, I do it on my laptop.
Nowadays games that don’t run are rare but they still exist. One of my favorite games, BF1, sadly stopped working on Linux after they introduced anti cheat (on the other hand, at least now there are no cheaters spamming artillery)
I also have a meta quest and the best software to link the headset to the PC, Virtual Desktop, sadly also doesn’t work on linux
At least for VR stuff, I find Linux to work pretty well with ALVR Streamer, which is basically an open source version of Virtual Desktop.
For anticheat, there are if course no real good solutions yet, for that, we just need better market share to pressure game developers.
Enjoy getting fucked by the corporate rootkits. I hope your gaming PC is just for gaming.
What ones specifically? I don’t bother with them these days, I’m mildly curious because I’m lucky enough to haven’t really found anything I can’t run.
Squad.
On ProtonDB some people say they have it running with no issues. But there’s just as many saying they can either only run it with shit performance or can’t connect to servers / play online.
Squad works fine for me on Linux. Performance is no worse than it is on windows. I need to add a caveat that I haven’t tried the new UE 5 builđs of the game yet, so I can’t comment in that.
I haven’t played it in the last year or so, but it was working quite fine under EndeavourOS without any tinkering. Maybe it’s a distro thing.
Yeah seems like a mixed bag, disappointing.
Same. They’re not gonna get much out of my gaming setup either since it’s a debloated Windows 10 with everything disabled that I don’t strictly need and I’m not logged into anything except the game launchers I use.
I didn’t strictly need the firewall, I disabled it and then Windows update stopped working. I hate Windows so much
