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This comment section is a very good case study in why better public transportation is absolutely necessary: a lot of you should not ever drive.
Play some Tom Petty for ambiance while you’re rolling along.
Using phone while driving… Great.
Fuck everyone who ever touches their phone while the hevicle is on. This shit is not okay, ever.
hevicle
Given the size bloat, I think heavy vehicle => hevicle is appropriate.
I have some great news for you. Look at what took effect yesterday in my state! Using a mobile device, including at a red light, is now a primary offense (you’ll get pulled over for just that).
This just applies to PA, but it’s a pretty big state with a population between Sweden and the Netherlands, so it’s not nothing!
Doesn’t matter if it’s not enforced. We have no holding phone rules in GA and I routinely see people using their phones while driving.
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The phone is clearly mounted on the dashboard.
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It’s not uncommon for people to record their whole trip for social media, not just take to a picture.
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This caption could have been pasted over a completely unrelated screenshot of someone else’s video for all we know.
Don’t touch your phone while driving, but also, don’t believe everything you see on social media.
On your last point… It’s still damaging because it normalises it. UK has very harsh stance on this and you’d get in shit even for point 1. There should be zero tolerance on this. They’re a dickhead driver regardless. Two dickheads don’t make it right.
UK is a paper tiger on this.
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tbf, going 20 in a 50 zone is probably not a terrible situation to be multitasking in. not at all like multitasking at 50 in a 50 zone
This one made me bust out laughing. Such a perfect combination.
The previous one is great too. Both new to me, at least.
Only time I’ve been close to road rage was when a Mercedes CL had a really bright LED strobe light installed inside it’s front grill and he activating it, if somebody was in his way.
It wasn’t a cop or other emergency vehicle. Just an asshole.
I was lucky to be in front of him for 15 minutes when traffic got compacted enough to prevent lane change.
For a moment I considered hitting the brakes on that particular tailgater.
I take my foot off of the gas pedal, if they don’t pass me by the time I’ve coasted to as slow as idle will take me I assume they aren’t going to and return to the speed I was going previously.
Love reading threads about driving cause everyone is very upset for no discernible reason.
Driving seems to bring out the second-worst in people.
Driving is dangerous, and intentionally making it more dangerous deserves anger
anger
Is a big reason why it’s dangerous
The beauty of this comment is that it could be in support of either position.
I’ll do something similar to the OP. If I’m doing 29 in a 25 and you ride my ass, we will now do 24 in a 25. I like to think I’ve improved the safety of the local roadway. I won’t negotiate with terrorists.
I do this and then wonder why the fuck the asshole honking won’t just pass.
I turn it into a game to see how slow I have to go before they leave.
I have come to a full stop before, and they just kept honking. they did drive off once I got out and grabbed a crow bar from the bed of my truck and walked towards them with a smile.
I had no intention of hurting them and it was more for my own protection than anything. They clearly wanted an altercation and fled once they realized how utterly stupid they were being.
some folks just want to feel some kind of power because they feel powerless and they just need a wake-up call.
- Escalates the angry driver situation.
- Takes photos while driving.
Neither driver here is in the right.
going 70 in a 50
Both drivers deserve to lose their license
That’s easy to agree with in isolation, but many times on the main roads near me the normal flow of traffic in the slow lane can be 20 over. Driving at or below the speed limit would create a significantly more dangerous situation than cruising along at the same speed as the nearest several cars.
Yeah, you’d be operating in a more legal way, and the faster drivers around you should be able to safely deal with it, but that doesn’t mean the risk isn’t there.
This. Speed limit laws are bullshit and their selective enforcement is proof of it.
The dangerous drivers are the ones that are impeding the flow (i.e. going well below the speed limit when road/weather conditions don’t necessitate it; cruising in a passing lane, etc) or driving unpredictably/erratically (cutting people off, weaving, etc).
Not necessarily the speeders, though there can certainly be some overlap, particularly in the latter group.
But speeders are the ones that get ticketed over while those asshats just crash into schoolbusses.
I don’t think losing their license is the right approach. I don’t think scolding them is the approach either. I think most people don’t realize that driving is a cooperative event. And to not only accept that and also expand on it helps most road rage go away.
Probably not. It could be in the middle of nowhere or on a road where the speed limit hasn’t been evaluated and the state default is 50. There are tons of roads like that in California or even some where the limit is in the 30s but it really shouldn’t be and locals are in the 60s usually.
You, The Master Driver, are amply equipped to decide what the true speed limit should be.
Well if you operate a death machine it would be realy nice if you could follow the rules and not kill somebody. Of course the rules should be reasonable but being unable to follow them means you should not be operating a death machine
There’s no reason to follow unreasonable rules even when you’re driving a death machine. Especially when not following the rules has an essentially near 0 difference in hurting someone with your cage of death(not trying to be sarcastic with cage of death). Many of these roads are designed for much higher speed limits but just have not been evaluated by the government for their speed limit and possibly never will be or they will be evaluated at a much lower than reasonable speed. For example the speed limit of most California freeways is 65 traffic moves at 80 regularly and sometimes when people are feeling frisky up to 90. Neither of those speeds are unreasonable when everyone around you is also doing them and people are used to those situations or understand they will be in those situations. A great example is Germany where parts of their freeways have no speed limit where people are doing in excess of 120 mph and semis are also using it at under 60.
I don’t need to be right.
Fuck you Kevin you piece of shit.
Who is Kevin?
Did you even read the post youre commenting in?
70 in a 50 zone. Doesn’t matter if its km/h or mph, that’s just idiotic.
exactly, the engineers should never have made a road with that big of a discrepancy between safe speed and listed speed limit
The engineers only make the designed safe speed. Government officials make the listed limit. It used to be EXTREMELY popular for government official to knock 20-25% off the design limit of the road, ironically so they can tell everyone how safe they were.
Everywhere in my town was 25mph until about 10 years ago.
A local politician got a few speeding tickets and went nuts over it, now it varies from 25-60mph. Engineers were brought in to advise on safe limits.
Him getting those tickets was one of the best things that ever happened to me. It was so miserable driving so slow on big open roads. I could probably sit down and figure up an insane amount of time I’ve saved over the last decade (if I weren’t an idiot).
Not so great for people walking or cycling though. Higher speeds mean more serious and fatal collisions.
Where these modes of transport mix, 20mph is becoming the default choice in western European countries, there is a global declaration on this. If roads feel like they’re made for higher streets: that’s bad infrastructure design.
https://www.fiafoundation.org/news/stockholm-declaration-focuses-on-reducing-urban-speed
Traffic engineers in the US make too wide roads that psychologically encourages speeding, the posted speed limit doesn’t matter unless police dedicates significant resources to enforcing it
I disagree. There are two roads near me with a limit of 55 mph, and traffic on those roads regularly moves at 75-80. Driving 55 becomes dangerous when all of the other traffic is going so much faster, because nobody expects you to be that slow. You risk getting rear-ended, and if traffic is heavy, people who end up behind you now have to merge into a much faster lane of traffic to get around you.
Why don’t they confiscate driving licences and imprison all the criminals who are driving 20-25mph dangerously over the limit?
You ever tried to pull over an entire freeway full of cars at once?
Not personally, no - but the police would only need to catch a handful each day to get things moving a little more safely in the area.
A single cop car on the side of the road can get everybody to magically follow the speed limit.
For a minute, maybe. Foot goes back down when the cop’s out of view in the mirrors.
That’s really dependant on location. I have had plenty of road trips up and down the I5 where groups of cars pass cops on the side of the road going 80, and no one slows down and the cops do nothing. Source: I’m one of those drivers.
Throw people in jail for driving too fast? That seems pretty extreme.
It’s hard to police speeding on a highway. Typically if you do get pulled over for speeding, it’s because you’re going way faster than those around you. So even in a 55, if everyone’s doing 80, you’ve gotta be doing 95 or more for a cop to single you out and arrest you. (Or maybe the cop has a quota to meet.) And where I live, local cops can’t use radar, so it’s hard to prove how fast you were going.
And then if you do get arrested, you’re most likely to get a ticket and points on your license. Get enough points and they’ll take away your license, but that means you’ve been caught repeatedly. And points expire eventually, plus if you go to your court date and plead not guilty, a lot of the time the judge will just remove the points. So a speeding ticket from years ago generally won’t have any bearing on your life except for the cost of the ticket.
So within reason, you can pretty much speed all the time consequence-free ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Because the road design at fault, not people.
Make roads narrower, and people will drive slower
I live out in the sticks, and if I don’t go 70, it will take me forever to get where I need to go. Also everyone else is going 70, so the people doing 50 are creating an unsafe situation. It’s the wild west out here.
Yeah, honking at me. And those flashing lights on the roof of their car are really annoying.
The only reason I accept to not let these people pass is if it forces you do something unsafe, like throwing yourself over to the next lane and slamming on the brakes to match speed with the other cars. Otherwise just give them the lane and let them be a reckless ass somewhere else away from you. Safer that way. It’s not your job to enforce traffic rules.
Exactly. You have no clue why they’re speeding either. Sure it could be some a-hole, but it could also be someone with a medical situation, or someone that’s about to poop their pants.
When I was younger I used to stay in the lane. Now I move over if it’s safe, and let them pass. Not worth the chance of accidentally upsetting a psycho.
I agree it’s safer to let them pass, but a medical (or personal) emergency does not give you the right to endanger other people on the road by driving fast and/or recklessly. That’s why they paint priority vehicles in bright colours and put flashing lights on them - to make it safer for everyone.
If you have a medical emergency, you call an ambulance. Yes, they will have to drive to you first, but care starts when they arrive. If the emergency isn’t big enough to get an ambulance, there’s no reason to drive fast either.
Being in the US, I’d order an uber before I call for an ambulance. Even with insurance I’m afraid to test that debt machine.
Have you seen how expensive an ambulance ride is?
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Have you ever slipped and accidentally honked at someone?
Oh yeah. At a stop sign or traffic light, slow traffic, kinda rested my arms on the wheel and hit the horn on accident. Felt like an ass.
How is that even possible?
Very possible st stops. I’ve done it once, shocking myself more than the other driver.
All fun and games until you get someone willing to escalate 😁
A pit maneuver is easily defendable as an accident if nobody is looking.
