Probably not. It could be in the middle of nowhere or on a road where the speed limit hasn’t been evaluated and the state default is 50. There are tons of roads like that in California or even some where the limit is in the 30s but it really shouldn’t be and locals are in the 60s usually.
Well if you operate a death machine it would be realy nice if you could follow the rules and not kill somebody. Of course the rules should be reasonable but being unable to follow them means you should not be operating a death machine
There’s no reason to follow unreasonable rules even when you’re driving a death machine. Especially when not following the rules has an essentially near 0 difference in hurting someone with your cage of death(not trying to be sarcastic with cage of death). Many of these roads are designed for much higher speed limits but just have not been evaluated by the government for their speed limit and possibly never will be or they will be evaluated at a much lower than reasonable speed. For example the speed limit of most California freeways is 65 traffic moves at 80 regularly and sometimes when people are feeling frisky up to 90. Neither of those speeds are unreasonable when everyone around you is also doing them and people are used to those situations or understand they will be in those situations. A great example is Germany where parts of their freeways have no speed limit where people are doing in excess of 120 mph and semis are also using it at under 60.
Based on experience, I don’t trust random assholes to determine for themselves when a rule is unreasonable. You’re unreasonable with this take and presumption about yourself. This makes you dangerous to society. You’ll prove that even more as you disagree.
You do not get to determine on your own that your actions have near 0 consequences. That’s some level of psychopathic thought and just reinforces why we have some rules. It’s also a lack of empathy or consideration of others.
You’re breaking a rule operating a dangerous machine, and you’re trying to shrug it off as no big deal. Dangerous.
Dude when I said that they have near 0 consequences I was talking about how 90% of the time in these situations there basically no one around doing 150 miles an hour wouldn’t hurt anyone else. Breaking a rule when no one else is around or everyone else around is doing the same thing is not dangerous. In the case of everyone going 15-25 over the limit it’s actually safe. C’mon homie think about it.
That’s easy to agree with in isolation, but many times on the main roads near me the normal flow of traffic in the slow lane can be 20 over. Driving at or below the speed limit would create a significantly more dangerous situation than cruising along at the same speed as the nearest several cars.
Yeah, you’d be operating in a more legal way, and the faster drivers around you should be able to safely deal with it, but that doesn’t mean the risk isn’t there.
This. Speed limit laws are bullshit and their selective enforcement is proof of it.
The dangerous drivers are the ones that are impeding the flow (i.e. going well below the speed limit when road/weather conditions don’t necessitate it; cruising in a passing lane, etc) or driving unpredictably/erratically (cutting people off, weaving, etc).
Not necessarily the speeders, though there can certainly be some overlap, particularly in the latter group.
But speeders are the ones that get ticketed over while those asshats just crash into schoolbusses.
This is a bullshit talking point used by psychopaths to try to justify their antisocial behavior. If the people around you are going so fast that just doing the speed limit becomes unsafe, they are the ones wholly responsible for creating those unsafe conditions. They are driving faster than the conditions (and let’s be real, their own ability) would reasonably allow for, they are the only ones that should be held responsible for the consequences of their freakish behavior.
Cool, they are the ones that will get in trouble for the accident that I am still involved in. I’d much rather not be involved in an accident than be “right”.
Is this about safety, or is this about blind adherence to the law?
Every study we have shows that the roads are safer, there are less crashes and they are less deadly when everyone just goes slower. But apparently you would rather risk getting turned into a rorschach splat than advocate for the thing that actually makes roads safer.
Yup, I’m sure the highway is much safer if everyone is traveling at 10. However, if I’m the only one traveling at 10 I have made the highway much more dangerous.
I’m advocating for not being a fucking idiot and causing an accident because in theory it’s safer to travel at slower speeds.
What you’re advocating for is allowing entitled psychopaths to set the speed everyone is forced to go because you somehow think that if someone is doing 90 in a 55 and hits someone actually doing 55 that it was the normal person’s fault.
I’m obviously not saying anyone should be doing fucking 10 on the highway, I’m saying nobody needs to be doing more than the speed limit.
If you’re argument requires everyone on the road to be a psychopath you might want to reconsider it.
You also haven’t been listening, perhaps you’re too busy ranting about “psychopaths” to pay attention: I’ve already said if someone is doing the speed limit and gets hit it is the fault the person speeding. However, I’d much rather not be in an accident at all than “be right” and not the person at fault.
I’m saying nobody needs to be doing more than the speed limit.
that’s not what you’ve been saying. You’ve been repeating “slower is safer” over and over and it was trivial to provide an example that made that argument absurd and untrue.
that statement is making a lot of assumptions. The primary one being that the speed limit is set accurately and appropriately. Again, if some politician decided “in the name of safety” to change the speed limit on the highway to 10 would you be arguing against increasing it because “nobody needs be doing more than the speed limit”? Would the people doing 20 on the highways now be psychopaths because the sign on the side of the road changed?
To 1, your “example” is a bad faith gotcha based on an insane hypothetical. It does absolutely nothing to prove my argument wrong that everyone would be safer is speeders slowed down to a reasonable speed.
For 2, nearly all highways in the US are set for a speed limit that is both safe for that road and allows for reasonable efficiency of travel. Your example here is once again a bad faith gotcha argument based on insane hypotheticals.
It’s become clear that you have nothing meaningful to contribute here. Have a nice life, I’m out.
You’re in the wrong argument. The argument was about speeding and you’re trying to bring up recklessness in a mote general sense. Twisting the argument to make a poor point.
You don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
Looks like you’re in the wrong argument. The person I was replying to has repeatedly been saying “going slower is safer” and that is what I replied to. It was trivially easily to provide an example where “going slower” is 1) absurd and 2) more dangerous.
If that is not their argument then they need to stop repeating it as if it is and say their actual argument.
Again, that sounds good on paper. In reality, I turn into an on-ramp and I’m approaching a line of cars going 75 mph. There happens to be a sign that says they should be limiting themselves to 55 mph.
If I merge at 75mph, the state of the roadway is essentially unchanged. If I merge at 55mph, I am introducing a new risk that was not there previously.
The state of the road in your scenario is already unsafe because of the people doing 75. Every. Single. Study. Shows that there are less crashes and they are less lethal when everyone just slows the fuck down. But none of you entitled fuckwits will accept even the tiniest bit of personal inconvenience for the sake of your own safety and that of everyone around you, so we have to live in fucking Mad Max instead.
I don’t think losing their license is the right approach. I don’t think scolding them is the approach either. I think most people don’t realize that driving is a cooperative event. And to not only accept that and also expand on it helps most road rage go away.
Both drivers deserve to lose their license
Probably not. It could be in the middle of nowhere or on a road where the speed limit hasn’t been evaluated and the state default is 50. There are tons of roads like that in California or even some where the limit is in the 30s but it really shouldn’t be and locals are in the 60s usually.
You, The Master Driver, are amply equipped to decide what the true speed limit should be.
Well if you operate a death machine it would be realy nice if you could follow the rules and not kill somebody. Of course the rules should be reasonable but being unable to follow them means you should not be operating a death machine
There’s no reason to follow unreasonable rules even when you’re driving a death machine. Especially when not following the rules has an essentially near 0 difference in hurting someone with your cage of death(not trying to be sarcastic with cage of death). Many of these roads are designed for much higher speed limits but just have not been evaluated by the government for their speed limit and possibly never will be or they will be evaluated at a much lower than reasonable speed. For example the speed limit of most California freeways is 65 traffic moves at 80 regularly and sometimes when people are feeling frisky up to 90. Neither of those speeds are unreasonable when everyone around you is also doing them and people are used to those situations or understand they will be in those situations. A great example is Germany where parts of their freeways have no speed limit where people are doing in excess of 120 mph and semis are also using it at under 60.
Based on experience, I don’t trust random assholes to determine for themselves when a rule is unreasonable. You’re unreasonable with this take and presumption about yourself. This makes you dangerous to society. You’ll prove that even more as you disagree.
You do not get to determine on your own that your actions have near 0 consequences. That’s some level of psychopathic thought and just reinforces why we have some rules. It’s also a lack of empathy or consideration of others.
You’re breaking a rule operating a dangerous machine, and you’re trying to shrug it off as no big deal. Dangerous.
calls random people assholes and psychopaths with little to no provocation
claims other people lack empathy and consideration
Dude when I said that they have near 0 consequences I was talking about how 90% of the time in these situations there basically no one around doing 150 miles an hour wouldn’t hurt anyone else. Breaking a rule when no one else is around or everyone else around is doing the same thing is not dangerous. In the case of everyone going 15-25 over the limit it’s actually safe. C’mon homie think about it.
That’s easy to agree with in isolation, but many times on the main roads near me the normal flow of traffic in the slow lane can be 20 over. Driving at or below the speed limit would create a significantly more dangerous situation than cruising along at the same speed as the nearest several cars.
Yeah, you’d be operating in a more legal way, and the faster drivers around you should be able to safely deal with it, but that doesn’t mean the risk isn’t there.
This. Speed limit laws are bullshit and their selective enforcement is proof of it.
The dangerous drivers are the ones that are impeding the flow (i.e. going well below the speed limit when road/weather conditions don’t necessitate it; cruising in a passing lane, etc) or driving unpredictably/erratically (cutting people off, weaving, etc).
Not necessarily the speeders, though there can certainly be some overlap, particularly in the latter group.
But speeders are the ones that get ticketed over while those asshats just crash into schoolbusses.
This is a bullshit talking point used by psychopaths to try to justify their antisocial behavior. If the people around you are going so fast that just doing the speed limit becomes unsafe, they are the ones wholly responsible for creating those unsafe conditions. They are driving faster than the conditions (and let’s be real, their own ability) would reasonably allow for, they are the only ones that should be held responsible for the consequences of their freakish behavior.
Cool, they are the ones that will get in trouble for the accident that I am still involved in. I’d much rather not be involved in an accident than be “right”.
Is this about safety, or is this about blind adherence to the law?
Every study we have shows that the roads are safer, there are less crashes and they are less deadly when everyone just goes slower. But apparently you would rather risk getting turned into a rorschach splat than advocate for the thing that actually makes roads safer.
Yup, I’m sure the highway is much safer if everyone is traveling at 10. However, if I’m the only one traveling at 10 I have made the highway much more dangerous.
I’m advocating for not being a fucking idiot and causing an accident because in theory it’s safer to travel at slower speeds.
What you’re advocating for is allowing entitled psychopaths to set the speed everyone is forced to go because you somehow think that if someone is doing 90 in a 55 and hits someone actually doing 55 that it was the normal person’s fault.
I’m obviously not saying anyone should be doing fucking 10 on the highway, I’m saying nobody needs to be doing more than the speed limit.
If you’re argument requires everyone on the road to be a psychopath you might want to reconsider it.
You also haven’t been listening, perhaps you’re too busy ranting about “psychopaths” to pay attention: I’ve already said if someone is doing the speed limit and gets hit it is the fault the person speeding. However, I’d much rather not be in an accident at all than “be right” and not the person at fault.
that’s not what you’ve been saying. You’ve been repeating “slower is safer” over and over and it was trivial to provide an example that made that argument absurd and untrue.
that statement is making a lot of assumptions. The primary one being that the speed limit is set accurately and appropriately. Again, if some politician decided “in the name of safety” to change the speed limit on the highway to 10 would you be arguing against increasing it because “nobody needs be doing more than the speed limit”? Would the people doing 20 on the highways now be psychopaths because the sign on the side of the road changed?
To 1, your “example” is a bad faith gotcha based on an insane hypothetical. It does absolutely nothing to prove my argument wrong that everyone would be safer is speeders slowed down to a reasonable speed.
For 2, nearly all highways in the US are set for a speed limit that is both safe for that road and allows for reasonable efficiency of travel. Your example here is once again a bad faith gotcha argument based on insane hypotheticals.
It’s become clear that you have nothing meaningful to contribute here. Have a nice life, I’m out.
You’re in the wrong argument. The argument was about speeding and you’re trying to bring up recklessness in a mote general sense. Twisting the argument to make a poor point.
You don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
Looks like you’re in the wrong argument. The person I was replying to has repeatedly been saying “going slower is safer” and that is what I replied to. It was trivially easily to provide an example where “going slower” is 1) absurd and 2) more dangerous.
If that is not their argument then they need to stop repeating it as if it is and say their actual argument.
Again, that sounds good on paper. In reality, I turn into an on-ramp and I’m approaching a line of cars going 75 mph. There happens to be a sign that says they should be limiting themselves to 55 mph.
If I merge at 75mph, the state of the roadway is essentially unchanged. If I merge at 55mph, I am introducing a new risk that was not there previously.
The state of the road in your scenario is already unsafe because of the people doing 75. Every. Single. Study. Shows that there are less crashes and they are less lethal when everyone just slows the fuck down. But none of you entitled fuckwits will accept even the tiniest bit of personal inconvenience for the sake of your own safety and that of everyone around you, so we have to live in fucking Mad Max instead.
-sees traffic moving down the road with no accidents
“Is this Mad Max?”
I don’t think losing their license is the right approach. I don’t think scolding them is the approach either. I think most people don’t realize that driving is a cooperative event. And to not only accept that and also expand on it helps most road rage go away.