I mean, you’d be remembered in history, eh? It might come back every generation or so…“Dude! Look at what I found! This page shows that Shitting Girl is apparently someone forever stuck in a squat on Mount Everest! We have to go!”
They’d bring even more garbage up there in memoriam and some would die in prayer to the squatted wonder. Then one day, the mass of trash and accumulated snow would crack and the shitting wonder would avalanche to be lost until the aliens would track you down, freeze you in Carbonite, and sell you in the nearest intergalactic flea market. You get the idea.
Left at green boots, right at shitting girl, and if you see jorking it guy, you’ve gone too far.
That would never happen because women dont have bowel movements.
That was the worst part of my experience with going to altitude. I inevitably get tumbly guts and begin having gas like nobody’s business. Damn my friend for telling me to go with him to the 14k peak one day after I arrived from sea level, but damn that stupid trail for making it so difficult to find a secluded place to spew my poor bowels’ contents.
Frozen shit everywhere, tripping over dead people, lack of oxygen, rubbish strewn about, frostbite, lines and wait times to get to the peak … sounds like a massive tourism drawcard!
There’s not too many dead people on 14k peaks, but hey, imagination’s a way to get you to where you want to be!
Yeah, once you’re above the treeline, you’re on your own.
Near the top though.
Mount Everest is a fake ass accomplishment for rich people anyway. You don’t carry all your shit, there are lines to the peak, garbage everywhere, it’s basically Times Square for CEOs who want to market themselves as ‘adventurers’. Slightly more death involved each year, but that has more to do with the weather than how Tough someone is.
They have luxury expeditions with private chefs, hot tubs and massages. Kinda misses the point in my opinion.
For those interested, hers is a video on the subject I recently watched:
Makes me think about how rich people apparently ruined Burning Man
Holy fuck. If you’re a first time climber, you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying? That’s insane.
Playing Russian roulette would be a lot cheaper.
We were just talking about that in our house. Some people have died waiting in line for a selfie.
And none of them are missed.
Its kind of like the opposite of a guillotine.
Doesn’t always work, but when it does, you basically did it to yourself.
The corpse pile problem on Everest has been getting significantly worse for a while now.
… same thing, to a lesser extent, with the Titanic.
Maybe we could make an empathetic argument that there shouldn’t be any billionaires: Having that much money makes you so stupid and encourages such risky behavior that really, you should be thanking us for not allowing you to get into a dangerous headspace.
It’s a nice after-work walk you might say, nothing to it, just a few spots where you have to take your hands out of your pockets!
Doesn’t make it a fake ass accomplishment
You can’t just stroll up there still.
I’ve done up to 6000m, and hoping to do 7000m.
You do rely on sherpas, but it still isn’t a day hike either. Even Hillary’s team used sherpas to assist
What makes it fake is presenting it as the work of an individual, as those egotistical peak selfies and tedious biographies frequently do. (General) you didn’t make it to the peak, you were helped along by underpaid locals dragging around all the shit that is keeping you alive, who frequently lose their lives in an effort to support their families so some tech bro can get a selfie. It’s a gross way to spend $30k+.
You’re being upvoted, but, what experience do you have mountaineering training? Any? Have you even got hiking experience
It feels like you’re just saying stuff that simply sounds valid, but is distorted.
- A good company costs 60K minimum, and another 20K if you want 4L of oxygen.
- No, you cant just spend 60K and climb either. Nobody will take you.
- You MUST have 7000m experience, which eliminates mountains like Island Peak and Mera (which was the FULL intention), and it means you have experience staying overnight at altitude.
- Don’t speak on behalf of the locals. I personally knew 2 different Sherpas who want to climb Everest. One did, the other wanted to (and hopefully has already). Operating as a guide allows them to achieve this
- Preparing the camps is a matter of time primarily. Summit guides have the advantage of living at 4000m+, so it saves a lot of time.
- You still carry your own gear at 8000m+ which is basically 30% Oxygen, and you cannot acclimatise.
- Clients still do many acclimatisation climbs. Getting the camps prepared is basically a matter of time (months).
- Whilst I agree a lot of it is just rich people trying to get attention, don’t underestimate the level of fitness it takes. Based on my experience a huge number of people can’t even get to base camp (which is only 5400m). People doing Everest don’t simply wake up and do acclimatisation walks. Even at 6000M, you’re at 40% Oxygen, and its already a bit hard to breath… Every step feels a lot harder
- Staying at the camps isn’t as luxurious as you think lol. That being said, at places like Island Peak Base camp, it actually takes hours to go fetch water. The Base Camp manager handles that
- Good companies still pay sherpas the FULL amount even if summit/climbing is completely cancelled for the year.
- I haven’t climbed Everest, but, don’t underestimate the fear of being dropped off in a glacier for the first time, and being told you’ll fall into a crevasse at some point during training. It takes courage too. I have done a large ladder crossing. And, suspect you know what it’s like to wake up and midnight, start climbing, and simply just hope things are ok
A good company costs 60K minimum
You get how that’s even grosser, right?
Don’t speak on behalf of the locals. I personally knew 2 different Sherpas
‘Don’t speak on behalf of the locals, allow me, who knew two dudes, to do so instead’? No, I think I’ll listen to reporting by the BBC, who talked to people whose livelihoods didn’t depend on telling them what they wanted to hear. Obviously some locals do want to climb, but you are delusional if you believe nobody is doing it for money to support their family.
Everything else you’re saying here is irrelevant, I never said it wasn’t physically challenging. It’s just immoral to climb Everest due to the local exploitation and environmental degradation inherent to climbing it. Outside of the nearly 20 lbs of waste each person creates climbing the mountain (the majority of which doesn’t get removed), there are also deforestation issues from locals over harvesting wood to meet tourist demand.
There is not an amount of explanation that is going to move me beyond those facts.
What’s gross at this point, is that watching a bbc documentary doesn’t make you a professional lol .You know no dudes, so, I know more dudes than you.
You’re not even getting some of the basics right.
- On both my trips they only burnt dried yak dung and even the hot water either uses massive reflector solar mirrors or gas . Nobody is carrying wood to any of the camps. Do you think at camp 4 they’re sitting oxygen deprived around a nice fire which produces more co2?
- Are you running on full renewables at home? Any renewables? Or, is there a double standard? Its ok for you to burn wood at home? If you’re sitting there only with a blanket and no HVAC, congrats, that’s how you stay warm at camp
- When you go hiking, or pull over on a long drive, do you use a wag bag? If not, you’re not any better than them…
- The climbing permit has now changed and people have to carry down some garbage, and there is a lot of work going into cleanup. Yes it’s a problem, but it doesn’t make climbing any easier.
- At kala pattar actually (5500m), I actually saw a mouse which was likely eating scraps. If anything, ironically there is actually more life due to tourists because it’s barren even at that altitude
- Your phone was produced by someone who didn’t want to work but had to. What is your opinion on that?
- I also had the great fortune to have lunch with one of the record holders for the first people to complete the seven summits. Nothing about him shouted “wealthy tech bro”. In fact. Nobody at Unwin hut seemed to recognize him except my trainer(who is also a record holder related to Everest)
At this point you’re throwing random things you heard from the documentary at the wall and simply claiming it’s relevant. Big shocker, but a documentary is trying to paint a story. The funny thing is that on one of those documentaries, apparently my guide can be heard on the radio telling people to “go back to sleep”.
Go do a mountaineering course, and then report back at how little of an accomplishment even 8000m is, let alone an altitude where your body is dying, and you have limited time to summit and return before it does.
It’s clear at this point you’re not able to have an unemotional conversation about it. Your anecdotal experience as someone dropping the cost of a down payment on a house on a vacation to a place with serious, long lasting issues with the tourist trade and talking to two dudes you are paying isn’t the same as a team of journalists investigating. You keep saying documentary for some reason, which is only revealing you didn’t even bother reading the very extensive article I linked. If you’d like to discuss specific points from it you’re going to have to read it. It’s also grasping at straws to pretend using electricity in a city is just like the environmental destruction or human exploitation happening to climb the mountain.
I hope you find less destructive and exploitative hobbies in the future.
Lol. You’re sitting there on your phone created by exploited workers, with your HVAC turned on burning coal, watching tv burning coal, using hot water burning gas (likely not even using a heat pump), whilst possibly driving to work. Your environment footprint is probably “excellent”.
The guys on Everest are sitting there in a blanket, aren’t taking showers and are using solar power. Ironically, other than the flights, their footprint is probably lower lol. They also try to minimise waste too so there is less to carry back (whereas, everything you eat is likely in its own wrapper)
You were caught out with wrong info, such as regarding deforestation, which I think you just blatantly made up (as, it makes no sense).
I operate a free hiking group in my free time, which is likely less environmentally damaging than you sitting at home on your computer. I guess the people who join my trips owe me credit for any walk they do too? You were noticeably quiet about any volunteering (I bet you don’t even help your local park rangers by joining clean up days)
And I literally am friends with a few Nepalese people that I met in Nepal… who added me on Facebook after getting exploited (apparently). Weird thing to do by them.
Sorry, you have no clue whatsoever, no experience (not even hiking it feels like) and your knowledge seems entirely limited to a single (old) documentary. And you’re a hypocrite, because you “exploit underpaid workers” to collect your rubbish, and throw it into a hole nearby (probably in farming land), whilst you pretend it disappears from existence.
I suggest your next doco is on space, so you can pretend you’re an astronaut. Oh wait, Neil Armstrong is probably gross too apparently. Katy Perry is perhaps a different story (she literally just sat in a chair), and I’d be happy to say that was ridiculous, as it is like sitting in the train
Was Tenzing gross too? Or, only Edmund?
Also, one other fact that people don’t realise, is that using oxygen makes it sound like a cakewalk, but its not.
Your breath has water vapour in it that freezes and accumulates. So, you’re even competing with your oxygen mask getting frozen shut apparently at high altitude, and have to squeeze it regularly to keep it clean). At 8000m+ you need it, and to sleep at 8000m, you apparently still need some oxygen, or you gag.
Apparently oxygen bottle theft is also common which is another problem
Once you’re at 8000m (camp 4), you’re basically on your own… Yes, its a bigger accomplishment to set up camps and carry everything up, but, it doesn’t mean that even getting to 7000M isn’t a huge achievement (Everest is 8900m).
I am planning to do a 700km walk hopefully within the next year, and, I don’t think anyone is going to downplay it simply because I have done food drops (and had others helping with food drops). Well… Maybe some will…
Finally, Norgay Tenzing and Edmund Hillary had a team of 400 people helping them climb Everest. Yes, that took money too. Are you saying that it wasn’t an achievement?
And 30k is on the cheap end. I think the average is like 50-60k now. Over 100k if you go with the really high end companies. Its crazy.
Even Hillary’s team used sherpas to assist
Nothing says “fake accomplishment” like claiming to be the first to reach the top of a mountain by relying on the help (read: exploitation) of local people who had presumably been doing it for hundreds of years before you showed up.
Nobody was climbing Everest before then for hundreds of years. Absolutely 0% fucking chance that happened lol… especially from the Nepalese side (I seriously doubt from tibet either).
The ice fall on the Nepal side is literally moving 1m every day and constantly changes for starters, and by the time you set up the camps, if there was any bad weather, they might not be there when you come back. Glacier travel you have a team of 2-3 people because of things like ice bridges and crevasses too and it would be impossible to summit without ladders. If you were solo and were doing the drops, your oxygen bottles could be stolen too
It can’t be done without a large team, just like you can’t captain a submarine without a team who built it, and helps maintain it. It is a group effort. Even a job like programming owes credit to a lot of people. Every thing you do does
You do realize that Tenzing was Nepalese too right? He was there with Edmund. Nims purja also had both a small team of climbers who were highly experienced and a much larger team helping. He is Nepalese. Is it exploitation by him too?
Ultimate basement dweller comment.
I’d rather someone dwell in a basement than exploit local people, litter, and leave literal piles of bagged human shit in a beautiful place that’s dangerous to clean. The level of entitlement is beyond comprehension.
Exploit local people??? Lol wut
Have you literally never heard of Sherpas?
This has been a long standing issue with Mt. Everest, here’s a recent article that does a deeper dive into it: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250530-the-everest-climbs-putting-sherpas-in-danger
I’m reading this as recursive, and it works
I’d like to workshop how to make climbing Everest uncool amongst the stupid rich.
I’d like to workshop how to make it more alluring and dangerous.
Make it inexpensive. They’ll drop it in a second.
Quite the opposite! Charge them ten million bucks. They’ll all want to go and quite a few won’t come back.
Worked for the Titan sub
Billionaire popsicle :L
Fuck Everest. I wanna be the first person to climb Olympus Mons. Bigger challenge. Right off the bat, even the base of it has air too thin to breathe without special equipment. 😌
At this point I’m perfectly happy with my daily walk around Pubis Mons
Yo mamma so fat…wait a minute.
Got me thinking, Olympus Mons is the tallest peak in the solar system right? But there is no water on Mars.
Mount Everest is measured from sea level. If you measured from the bottom of the ocean it’s there a taller peak somewhere on earth?
That would be Mauna Kea in Hawai’i
Cool, thanks! 9,330 m
Still not close to Olympus Mons but the more you know…
Wouldn’t Everest still be the tallest? I mean, I have to assume it extends below sea level, too. It’s not just floating at sea level But where does a mountain start being a mountain and not just the ground? 🤔
It’s not floating at sea level, but it doesn’t even extend to sea level. The base of the mountain is well above sea level. If you live in a flat part of New Mexico, South Africa, or Mongolia you’re significantly higher above sea level than someone in England, Eastern Europe, or Mississippi. If you think of the mountain as extending below sea level you start seeing (tectonic) mountain ranges as like Aspen forests, where it’s just a single thing. Such as the Rocky mountain and the Himalaya mountain, while volcanic mountains such as the Cascades and Hawaii remain ranges.
But yeah differentiating where a new mountain starts vs just another peak of the same one isn’t necessarily easy
I was wondering about this too. Which peak is furthest from the center of the planet.
Interesting! Thank you!
The lower gravity is a mitigating factor.
I’ve been planning my ascent since I was four.
I won’t hesitate to Amundsen you.
Also it’s so huge that it is basically flat. It’s not a climb but a long trek.
According to Wikipedia it has a diameter if 600km. Assuming, that the peak of the mountain sits right in the middle you would still have a 300km walk in front of you.
… I see what you did there.
Let’s be realistic and say Inaccessible Island instead. Like come on, it’s in the name.
Can’t miss it, right next to Green Boots
Sorry, Anne, that title is forever claimed by Kaitlyn Bennett.
I thought she was the “shitty girl”?
Fame costs.
