Don’t speak on behalf of the locals. I personally knew 2 different Sherpas
‘Don’t speak on behalf of the locals, allow me, who knew two dudes, to do so instead’? No, I think I’ll listen to reporting by the BBC, who talked to people whose livelihoods didn’t depend on telling them what they wanted to hear. Obviously some locals do want to climb, but you are delusional if you believe nobody is doing it for money to support their family.
Everything else you’re saying here is irrelevant, I never said it wasn’t physically challenging. It’s just immoral to climb Everest due to the local exploitation and environmental degradation inherent to climbing it. Outside of the nearly 20 lbs of waste each person creates climbing the mountain (the majority of which doesn’t get removed), there are also deforestation issues from locals over harvesting wood to meet tourist demand.
There is not an amount of explanation that is going to move me beyond those facts.
What’s gross at this point, is that watching a bbc documentary doesn’t make you a professional lol
.You know no dudes, so, I know more dudes than you.
You’re not even getting some of the basics right.
On both my trips they only burnt dried yak dung and even the hot water either uses massive reflector solar mirrors or gas . Nobody is carrying wood to any of the camps. Do you think at camp 4 they’re sitting oxygen deprived around a nice fire which produces more co2?
Are you running on full renewables at home? Any renewables? Or, is there a double standard? Its ok for you to burn wood at home? If you’re sitting there only with a blanket and no HVAC, congrats, that’s how you stay warm at camp
When you go hiking, or pull over on a long drive, do you use a wag bag? If not, you’re not any better than them…
The climbing permit has now changed and people have to carry down some garbage, and there is a lot of work going into cleanup. Yes it’s a problem, but it doesn’t make climbing any easier.
At kala pattar actually (5500m), I actually saw a mouse which was likely eating scraps. If anything, ironically there is actually more life due to tourists because it’s barren even at that altitude
Your phone was produced by someone who didn’t want to work but had to. What is your opinion on that?
I also had the great fortune to have lunch with one of the record holders for the first people to complete the seven summits. Nothing about him shouted “wealthy tech bro”. In fact. Nobody at Unwin hut seemed to recognize him except my trainer(who is also a record holder related to Everest)
At this point you’re throwing random things you heard from the documentary at the wall and simply claiming it’s relevant. Big shocker, but a documentary is trying to paint a story. The funny thing is that on one of those documentaries, apparently my guide can be heard on the radio telling people to “go back to sleep”.
Go do a mountaineering course, and then report back at how little of an accomplishment even 8000m is, let alone an altitude where your body is dying, and you have limited time to summit and return before it does.
It’s clear at this point you’re not able to have an unemotional conversation about it. Your anecdotal experience as someone dropping the cost of a down payment on a house on a vacation to a place with serious, long lasting issues with the tourist trade and talking to two dudes you are paying isn’t the same as a team of journalists investigating. You keep saying documentary for some reason, which is only revealing you didn’t even bother reading the very extensive article I linked. If you’d like to discuss specific points from it you’re going to have to read it. It’s also grasping at straws to pretend using electricity in a city is just like the environmental destruction or human exploitation happening to climb the mountain.
I hope you find less destructive and exploitative hobbies in the future.
Lol. You’re sitting there on your phone created by exploited workers, with your HVAC turned on burning coal, watching tv burning coal, using hot water burning gas (likely not even using a heat pump), whilst possibly driving to work. Your environment footprint is probably “excellent”.
The guys on Everest are sitting there in a blanket, aren’t taking showers and are using solar power. Ironically, other than the flights, their footprint is probably lower lol. They also try to minimise waste too so there is less to carry back (whereas, everything you eat is likely in its own wrapper)
You were caught out with wrong info, such as regarding deforestation, which I think you just blatantly made up (as, it makes no sense).
I operate a free hiking group in my free time, which is likely less environmentally damaging than you sitting at home on your computer. I guess the people who join my trips owe me credit for any walk they do too? You were noticeably quiet about any volunteering (I bet you don’t even help your local park rangers by joining clean up days)
And I literally am friends with a few Nepalese people that I met in Nepal… who added me on Facebook after getting exploited (apparently). Weird thing to do by them.
Sorry, you have no clue whatsoever, no experience (not even hiking it feels like) and your knowledge seems entirely limited to a single (old) documentary. And you’re a hypocrite, because you “exploit underpaid workers” to collect your rubbish, and throw it into a hole nearby (probably in farming land), whilst you pretend it disappears from existence.
I suggest your next doco is on space, so you can pretend you’re an astronaut. Oh wait, Neil Armstrong is probably gross too apparently. Katy Perry is perhaps a different story (she literally just sat in a chair), and I’d be happy to say that was ridiculous, as it is like sitting in the train
You get how that’s even grosser, right?
‘Don’t speak on behalf of the locals, allow me, who knew two dudes, to do so instead’? No, I think I’ll listen to reporting by the BBC, who talked to people whose livelihoods didn’t depend on telling them what they wanted to hear. Obviously some locals do want to climb, but you are delusional if you believe nobody is doing it for money to support their family.
Everything else you’re saying here is irrelevant, I never said it wasn’t physically challenging. It’s just immoral to climb Everest due to the local exploitation and environmental degradation inherent to climbing it. Outside of the nearly 20 lbs of waste each person creates climbing the mountain (the majority of which doesn’t get removed), there are also deforestation issues from locals over harvesting wood to meet tourist demand.
There is not an amount of explanation that is going to move me beyond those facts.
What’s gross at this point, is that watching a bbc documentary doesn’t make you a professional lol .You know no dudes, so, I know more dudes than you.
You’re not even getting some of the basics right.
At this point you’re throwing random things you heard from the documentary at the wall and simply claiming it’s relevant. Big shocker, but a documentary is trying to paint a story. The funny thing is that on one of those documentaries, apparently my guide can be heard on the radio telling people to “go back to sleep”.
Go do a mountaineering course, and then report back at how little of an accomplishment even 8000m is, let alone an altitude where your body is dying, and you have limited time to summit and return before it does.
It’s clear at this point you’re not able to have an unemotional conversation about it. Your anecdotal experience as someone dropping the cost of a down payment on a house on a vacation to a place with serious, long lasting issues with the tourist trade and talking to two dudes you are paying isn’t the same as a team of journalists investigating. You keep saying documentary for some reason, which is only revealing you didn’t even bother reading the very extensive article I linked. If you’d like to discuss specific points from it you’re going to have to read it. It’s also grasping at straws to pretend using electricity in a city is just like the environmental destruction or human exploitation happening to climb the mountain.
I hope you find less destructive and exploitative hobbies in the future.
Lol. You’re sitting there on your phone created by exploited workers, with your HVAC turned on burning coal, watching tv burning coal, using hot water burning gas (likely not even using a heat pump), whilst possibly driving to work. Your environment footprint is probably “excellent”.
The guys on Everest are sitting there in a blanket, aren’t taking showers and are using solar power. Ironically, other than the flights, their footprint is probably lower lol. They also try to minimise waste too so there is less to carry back (whereas, everything you eat is likely in its own wrapper)
You were caught out with wrong info, such as regarding deforestation, which I think you just blatantly made up (as, it makes no sense).
I operate a free hiking group in my free time, which is likely less environmentally damaging than you sitting at home on your computer. I guess the people who join my trips owe me credit for any walk they do too? You were noticeably quiet about any volunteering (I bet you don’t even help your local park rangers by joining clean up days)
And I literally am friends with a few Nepalese people that I met in Nepal… who added me on Facebook after getting exploited (apparently). Weird thing to do by them.
Sorry, you have no clue whatsoever, no experience (not even hiking it feels like) and your knowledge seems entirely limited to a single (old) documentary. And you’re a hypocrite, because you “exploit underpaid workers” to collect your rubbish, and throw it into a hole nearby (probably in farming land), whilst you pretend it disappears from existence.
I suggest your next doco is on space, so you can pretend you’re an astronaut. Oh wait, Neil Armstrong is probably gross too apparently. Katy Perry is perhaps a different story (she literally just sat in a chair), and I’d be happy to say that was ridiculous, as it is like sitting in the train
Was Tenzing gross too? Or, only Edmund?