Where’s RedstarOS?
Redstar os is the best os everyone knows it’s the pinnacle of linux engineering
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I liked Vista (I was never a RAM peasant & I liked the glass theme) and hated XP.
I was also always sad how Me was brutally sodomised by shitty third party drivers (who just renamed 98 drives).
I considered W8 and 11 just as mediocre moneygrabs or maybe a marketing stunt.
Are you implying that win10 is worse than win8?
Yea, I’d say Win10/11 is on the same good/shit cycle as always
Though whether Win12 breaks it and continues the shitty trend is highly likely at this point
Highly disagree, 10 is just worse than 7. Its more like a downward spiral.
I’d call it a damped spring oscillation. Still goes up and down, but the extremes peter out with time.
Definitely, yes. Win8 was unusable on desktops but was pretty good on tablets, win10 sucks on both. But the main thing is that spyware/bloatware explosion happened in win10. Xbox services, onedrive, cortana, that weather thing with msn news, fucking candy crush preinstalls, etc, all came with win10.
Which are all significantly better than Mac OS and are especially better than Linux
Try to install windows 10 on hdd and see for yourself, Linux works fine no matter which device it’s loaded from, windows before 10 did too
I have Windows 10 LTSC installed on an old hard drive and it works fine.
Why would you install Windows 10 on a hard drive? If your computer is that old, you want 7 or XP
Are 7 and XP still supported?
No, but what are you going to do? Install WIn10 on a computer that’s too old and doesn’t meet the minimum specs?
If you have a 2010 computer, it’s either old WIndows or Linux, modern WIndows is going to suck, if it even works. Ergo, i can’t think of a circumstance where you’d want/have to install Win10 on a hard drive instead of an SSD.
Maybe shits and giggles, like trying to run Doom on random stuff? If someone has more imagination than me then i’m open
Modern linux mint with zram works flawlessly on lga775 4gb ram and Nvidia gt210 and hdd as main and only drive
If you’re still running 10 does it matter?
For a month or two
Windows philosophy is that it comes pre-installed and should be used with recent hardware. You may think of that what you will (environment wise etc), but to me that’s a valid design choice to make, in principle.
Can confirm. Win 10 on hdd is torture.
I am missing something. Where else would you install Windows but the HDD? (I haven’t installed windows in 20 years so I don’t know)
I think they are talking HDD vs SSD.
Old person thanks you
An SSD ? It’s about disk speed. The HDDs speed limit make win 10 sluggish as hell. While not as bad, even Linux (mint) is starting to be affected by this.
I used both on HDD. They are both slow but while Mint is predictably slow and stable, Win10 can grind to a halt unexpectedly.
Idk macos has kinda always been the same. I would see them as consistently meh.
The only thing I disagree with here is Win8 being apparently better than Win10.
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen, and while Win8.1 did help, Win10 was by far the better implementation of PC Metro IMO.
Having said that, Win11 is exactly where it needs to be. It’s all of Win10’s worst traits cranked up to 11 with a heaping of it’s own bullshit and spyware on top
Windows 10 should be a dead cat bounce on this chart. Better than 8, worse than 7, better than 11 by a lot.
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen
So many people say that but I actually liked the menu. It opened very fast and you could far more quickly find and hit the right tile than that stupid nested programs tree that was the norm in the start menus of earlier Windows versions.
I’d say considering that telemetry started to creep in primarily with Win 10, 8 was indeed better (meaning less bad).
Personally, I felt like Win8 was an over correction in favor of touch screens vs Win7. Win8.1 was kind of the sweet spot for getting touch screen functionality into Windows while maintaining a consistent UI between tablets, laptops, and desktops. So much so that I would consider it to be separate point on the chart between 8 and 10.
Win10 did improve the UI a bit over that, but was so much of a step backwards in basically every other regard that I do consider that the point at which Windows started trending consistently downwards. As in, Win10 should be lower then Win7 on that curve, with Win11 lower than that, and no real hope that any future updates or versions will ever improve anything.
Windows Vista was better than 8 and 10, a lot of legacy devices in industry kept extended Vista support for years and years.
Yes, this is my experience also, it was stable and only a few (at the time) legacy bs didn’t work out of the box.
Charting is ops passion!!
Having used both, Windows Vista was much worse than windows 8.
This implies that Linux is rising but still worse than the worst windows os 🫣🫠🫤😴🤧🤮🥴
the graphs are separate, not superimposed. I agree it’s confusing
I feel like they should cross. For a long time Linux really was “worse” than Windows in the sense that you needed some computer knowledge and deal with incompatibilities with the OS that most people were using; both have gotten better in recent years and Windows has gotten worse, so for some use cases i’d say we could be at the point that the lines cross.
Written from my Mint laptop, absolutely perfect but i’ve only used it for internet and office so nothing fancy
Yup. For me it similar. I was getting frustrated with the lack of customization in Win11, while at the same time seeing that Linux is actually viable for me with the Steam Deck.
I’ve been running Linux for a year now and while it was good enough for me to switch back then, it’s incredible how much better it has gotten since then.
And it’s that good at 4% market share. Imagine the possibilities if 20% of desktops were Linux, with that much dev time being put into it.
I say “if” but maybe it’s “when”
They look together to me
Win 10 was definitely an improvement over 8. I’d even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp. Of course now 10 has been fully enshitified but it used to be good.
I’d even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp
How can you so batantly skip over Win 7? I’ve heard some argue 10 was better (it wasn’t) but that 7 >> XP was pretty undisputed.
All three are shit compared to Linux, of course (Arch btw).
I would agree that 10 was very good, but i could say similar things about windows 11 which in many ways performs better then 10.
And yet its shortly after upgrading to 11 that i switched to linux to never look back.
I think part of the logic in this meme is that it doesn’t matter how good the basic functions of the operating system are but what does is the design philosophy of the company. Loyalty in other systems decreased while Loyalty in windows gained.
Microsoft force feeding edge, onedrive, burrying the local account option till after the install with Microsoft account.
Randomly finding an update put a second weather widget on my taskbar that shows a different weather then the one in start. Taskbar icons that cant be closed, only hidden.
These things don’t affect the OS functionality in a big deal but its like i was in an abusive relationship that i finally got out of. No matter how much sweet talking and promises to do better i am not going back.
8 wasn’t nearly as bad as people think, and there were big improvements to the kernel that make it a definite improvement over 7.
The problem for most people was the Start screen, which if you could get past, left you with what was a really good OS.
Less ads and telemetry than 10, too.
Relatively speaking yes, absolutely speaking, Windows bad
Vista wasn’t that bad. The dodgy selling it on computers that couldn’t handle it was an issue (much like they still do with selling laptops with only 32gb storage).
I still think it was one of the nicest looking - black taskbar with the start button sticking up, sidebar widgets, aero glass etc
You’re absolutely right about this. 7 is basically a Vista service pack that got rebranded.
All of the “good stuff” people credit 7 with came in Vista.
It was never stable for me. I remember I had a laptop that would always refuse to shut down because “shutdown.exe” was running
I wonder if that was actually malware.
Brutal
You know, when i watched Metalocalypse i was very surprised that they say that maybe three times in the whole show and that’s it
I think some of the biggest complaints about Vista were its poor driver support and over-active UAC. You couldn’t hardly do anything on the computer without UAC bugging you for permission when Vista first came out.
I remember the hardware situation being very fucked, due to driver authors not updating their shit in time and people trying to get their older stuff working which worked fine under XP, but was incompatible with Vista’s new driver model. It took a couple years until the release of 7 for most of those issues to get ironed out.
Linux is so bad it’s worse than everything else even when others are enshittifying aggressively? Got it!
Very good, I’m happy to see you’re learning new stuff!
Over the years I’ve tried switching to Linux and it definitely was less user friendly. I think Mint has made huge strides and hopefully will be able to take over.
I tried Ubuntu in 2015 or so, and Mint in 2018, and quit both times. Now i’ve been using Mint since last July.
I don’t know if it’s because Linux changed or i changed, but one way or another something clicked. I’m planning on switching entirely to Mint before Win10 reaches end of life because there’s no way i’m installing Win11, so i have to migrate my whole workflow by then.
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10 and 11 are waaaaaaaay better than 8. But meme is meme.
Maybe out of the box, but with classicshell 8 was better
my dad genuinely preferred Windows 8 with Classic Shell over Windows 7.
The software I run a 8 figure business with only works in windows and macs. Not a specific title but the software for an entire industry. Linux is nice but still a novelty in my world.
What software is that? Is it something with a really heavy desktop client by nature (e.g CAD, video editing), or could it instead have a browser-based frontend?
Yes, CAD/CAM stuff like Catia, SW, mastercam, etc. It will take a lot of market share improvements to convince the developers to bother with a port. I’m no M$ fanboy, just no real production alternative.
So much grief caused by the widespread move from Unix to Windows in the industry sector. The Unix dwarves grew too greedy, their hardware platforms too niche… they unleashed the beast from the depths. An IBM-PC so powerful, it quashed their empires!
I really wish SW ran on Linux. That would get me to switch over entirely.
you can run sw 2022 and 2023 in some distros. https://github.com/cryinkfly/SOLIDWORKS-for-Linux
doesn’t work in mint tho, i tried.
How good does it run in the supported distros?
no idea, i can’t get any other distros to work properly
I reckon they might be using a lot of Windows specific libraries, making any porting a real pain in the ass. And when you’re in that space, unfortunately people just have to choose the OS that goes with their applications, not the other way around.
It’s literally easier to start an entirely new CAD/CAM project and make that cross-platform. Unfortunately, that’s a 7 or 8 figure proposition to get started as well (probably 8 for a polished product that can pull proper market share).
Same. Until Linux is supported by scada systems it will only be a service, non-hmi OS, in my world.
The sad part is a lot of modern SCADAs and DCSs are migrating or have already migrated to HTML, but using Microsoft technologies as core. 🤦♂️
The colouring is shit, MacOS turns red at its peak. So, was it good or bad at that moment?
Made in China moment.
Red is good in the east, green is bad.
So good, it’s bad
It was the best of OS, it was the worst of OS.
Wasn’t 98 the precursor to ME? I thought 2000 was the server version (or something like that)?
OP wasn’t yet born in the late second millennium, they didn’t suffer through monthly reinstalls.
/j!!
But yes, for home users NT Windows came with XP.
Windows 2000 sold as both a server OS and a workstation OS, but there was no home edition of 2000. There was also no professional version of Me. It would probably be more accurate to say there were two separate paths of evolution that converged with XP.
NT -> 2000 -> XP
98 -> ME -> XPThough, XP is built off of the NT kernel, so you could also argue that the 9X line ended with ME.
Yep. In the beginning there were two threads of Windows garbage: Win NT (for companies, with NT kernel) and (MSDOS-based) Win 9x for peasants. Win 2000 was the “last” Win NT and Win Me was the last Win 9x.
That’s not 100% true as Me used something called “Real mode DOS” which limited the OS interactions with DOS and Windows XP was an evolution of the NT kernel, and all subsequent windowses come from that kernel (Vista, 7, 8, etc… and the Server variants).
Win Me was the “Mistake Edition” because it was half-baked, most of Microsoft was focusing by then on the next iteration of NT and they even didn’t ship to developers the Me version but rather Windows 2000.
And probably Windows Me was on the knowing about 9/11:
“System Restore suffered from a bug in the date-stamping functionality that could cause System Restore to incorrectly date-stamp snapshots that were taken after September 8, 2001. This could prevent System Restore from locating these snapshots and cause the system restore process to fail. Microsoft released an update to fix this problem.”
2000 was the first Windows with an NT kernel that was really usable on the desktop. Some may argue NT 4 but in 2000 almost everything worked as expected. XP was clearly better of course.
But you’re right - ME was actually a successor to 98 and XP was the joint successor to 2000 and ME.
Windows has commited a sin()
Why? Just cos.
Linux on the other hand gained a lot of exp()
What happened to Mac os
Nothing, OP just needed to shit on it because it’s not linux
Yeah, I’d say it’s the
bestleast horrible it’s ever beenApple sold out to OpenAI.
