According the an accountant, Building 7 was collecting information about black ops budget items, and it was doing so when it got demo’d during the WTC incidences.
kinda odd that there was a shadow commision, and that Ghislaine Maxwell was invited to it huh…
Since we’re all fighting about it, the version of WTC 7 I heard:
Buildings above a certain height tend to have magnesium charges installed, so that in the even of catastrophe (like say two hijacked airplanes), they can be brought down in a controlled manner with as little collateral as possible. I’ve heard WTC 7 was accidentally wired up alongside the twin towers, so when the call was made, it came down as well.
Is that true? No fucking clue.
Also, forget about the massive amount of puts that were purchased against the only two airlines involved in the hijackings just days before the attack.
Oh, and forget about the fact that the building owner profited $300 million by purchasing an exorbitant insurance package after buying the building only nine months before.
Also, definitely forget that Building 7 and the section of the Pentagon that was targeted were housing all the personnel and evidence involved in the biggest financial crimes investigation of the century.
biggest financial crimes investigation of the century.
Oh come on, even if that were true we’ve had the panama papers and literally nothing happened.
That’s blatantly not true. One of the journalists involved with the Panama Papers died in a car bombing shortly after the Panama Papers were released. That happened.
Just follow the money, there’s documented evidence of unusual pre-9/11 trading that profited from short bets.
Allen Poteshman’s peer-reviewed study in The Journal of Business (2006) concluded: “there is evidence of unusual option market activity in the days leading up to September 11 that is consistent with investors trading on advance knowledge of the attacks.”
You cant post anything that slightly resembles 9/11 conspiracy on this site without a slew of downvotes. I made a post just asking if people believed the official story and got verbatim some of the same comments and a slew of downvotes. Presuming they’re not with other malicious motives, I think they’re just close minded dicks
You’ll have to forgive us close minded fucks, we’ve been listening to people spew uninformed shit about jet fuel and steel beams for 25 years and we’re kinda tired.
It’s both hilarious and disturbing that, 25 years later, we still have a significant number of people believing controlled demolition took down the WTC towers and building 7. But then again, it’s been nearly 70 years since the JFK assassination and most people still think Oswald was a patsy 🤷
Conspiracism is like gossip, but on a national level. It’s pure poison. It can lead to anything ranging from destroyed personal relationship and reputations, to the Holocaust (think of the shit said about Jews for centuries leading up to it). We shouldn’t be so blasé about that shit.
And the Epstein case had something 9/11 truth doesn’t: evidence, court-worthy and verifiable evidence. Prosecutable evidence. Undeniable evidence. Show me a bomb-planter who did 9/11 and the paycheque he received for his work from Dubya, and then we can talk. Otherwise, all you have is gossip.
I mean is it a coincidence that prior his assassination, Kennedy was trying to derail Israel’s nuclear program? A case could be made to suggest that Israel helped plot the assassination.
Yes
The official story has a few questionable things…
The Pentagon is definitely sus… not only the destruction doesn’t look like a plane hit it… But also how rumsfeld a few days prior talked about missing trillions of dollars
Building 7… Larry Silverstein talking about “pulling” the building…(never mind his incredible timing on insuring the towers against a terrorist attack.
George Bush talked about how he watched the first plane hit the building on TV and he thought what a terrible pilot… But he didn’t have much time to think about it as he had to go talk to some kids in grade school
There’s a lot more I could go on but I won’t
What happened with wtc 7? I dont have the deep lore
It was “pulled” by Zionist WTC owner Larry Silverstein, with announcement of its destruction press release read on TV with WTC 7 visibly still standing in background image. Most experts believe the operation would need several days of preparation instead of the few hours that took place until a bit past 5pm the same day, and because of this, Silverstein’s asbestos problem that 9/11 solved, could have provided a “backup solution” for the 2 main towers melting beams from jet fuel.
sigh. is there any point to even engage with this comment.
For the lulz
I used to think that it was a hoax because of WTC7 but I did something that people don’t usually do: challenge my own views and yeah, it was burning for the entire time + rubble hitting it. The steel bar exceeded the containment of concrete causing a structural collapse
Yeah fair fucks to you. I have only one rule for people I keep close to me in my life: I don’t mind if you’re a cunt to me occasionally, because we’re all a cunt occasionally, as long as you go off and reflect on it and good job, you reflected on it.
A structural collapse that’s exactly simultaneous on all sides of the building? lmfao
There’s footage of it, it literally isn’t simultaneous on all sides lmfao. It slumps inward on one side, then a facade collapses, then the rest of it comes down following the already collapsed sides
You can literally just watch video footage lmfao
Alright now try justifying the Epstein conspiracy
“conspiracy”? it was a full blown criminal enterprise.
You should look up the meaning of conspiracy on a dictionary
I had to look it up, the striped building with the dome is from Epstein’s Island.
Oh thank you! I was like, was a local mosque destroyed but everyone was too antimuslim to report it? Epstein reference is much better.
No, but after 9/11 New Yorkers freaked out and worked to block a
mosqueIslamic community center from being built. Donald Trump was at the center of the effort.Eventually the effort succeeded, and the organization trying to build the center was pressured to sell the property.
Yeah, that I do remember. Although I’d forgotten it was him. Stupid racist
I wish someone hit that with a plane
Funny how it’s fully jewish architecture
Dome of the rock was built by Christian workers from Constantinople* and ordered to be constructed by muslims, if that is what you are refering too.
*Allegedly, S. Runciman history of the crusades, as i recall.
It actually looks like a mosque imo
What’s funny
How did WTC7 burn and collapse when the only thing that hit it that day was a massive skyscraper? 🤔
Inside job!
I wasn’t there
Suspicious thing to say
Concrete rubble can’t melt steel beams
Actually… enough concrete falling at once creates an enormous amount of heat, maybe enough to weaken steel and lower its max capacity.
nice try thermcel but everyone knows you can’t create energy
Big engineering always wants you to believe their bullshit.
And the act of bending metal generates heat as well.
Big, if true
Worse: true if big.
It collapsed because it was on fire all day
The University of Alaska Fairbanks did a report that concluded that the fire didn’t lead to the collapse
Peer reviewed?
Theres been so many studies by incredibly reputable people. They aren’t going to believe no matter how much is said. At this point they’re worse than the maga people. Their believing in the lie has cost millions of deaths in the middle east through global imperialism. They dont want that blood on their hands and its finally gone into a war with Iran that will never end. The people who you are asking to tell you the truth wouldnt even tell you that the building was so full of hazardous building materials that it was going to give untold amounts of people cancer.
The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
It was also smacked by debris from the falling tower that ended up damaging several support trusses and simultaneously igniting like a dozen floors on fire at the same time. Tbh it’s kinda amazing the building lasted as long as it did.
🙄
Ever hear of a little thing called George Bush?
Bullshit. Don’t lie to me. You think “fire” can just “burn” a building and it will collapse because “gravity”? I bet you believe in other fairy tales too, like public healthcare and the moon
There was a kid in my class for aviation maintenance who was a genuine flat earther. If you ever pressed him on it he would say “what do you know, you probably think we landed on the moon!”
If the moon isn’t real, where does all the cheese come from? Checkmate conspiracy theorists!
Do You believe in cheese? “Cheese” is an edible polymer developed by DuPont in the 50s. Do you believe that the government holds tons of cheese in caves in Missouri? Those are obviously the location of the soundstages used to film the lunar landings.
If the moon was real then how come nobody talked about it before stanley Kubrick made 2001 a space odyssey?
Wrong ,we did , read the travel earth to the moon ,from Jules verne
Can you read or even think ? In langue de moliere
Un peu
yeah there’s a reason there was no moonlandings during the time anyone has actually been alive except for 2001.
never forgetti september eletti
non dimenticare mai l’undici settembre
Moms spaghetti
Ass is sweaty
Friend’s name? Eddy.
She’s pregnant? No way! Vasectomy!
Ed?
maybe I overlooked it, but the FBI article conveniently “forgot” to mention that
Emad Salem, an FBI informant and a key witness in the trial of Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah, stated that the bomb itself was built under supervision from the FBI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
Not only that, ‘higher up’ rejected the request to use a fake explosive
The FBI is a terrorist organisation?
The CIA definitely is, with how many military coups they’ve backed against democratic South American countries that were considering universal healthcare
🤌
ah yeah, this takes me back to when I learned left wing people can be just as conspiracy retarded as right wing people
I don’t think you’re reading into this joke correctly. I take it as “people only ever talk about the two towers, but other shit was destroyed too and nobody cares”
At the risk of repeating the deleted comments (be gentle if I am, please), I read it as the US government telling us to remember the twin towers, then not telling us to remember wtc7 (FBI involvement and rule of threes for the joke), and to totally forget the Epstein files.
Then this is a dumb meme, wtc7 is still talked about today by the conspiracy tarded
This comentard is dumb.
Lemmy tries to be witty take 28
What was the conspiracy?
That 9/11 was a false flag attack and the buildings were demolished by the government. It was a meme even. “Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” etc.
WTC-7 was seen by these people as proof of the conspiracy because it fell without being hit by a plane.
Oooh. Yeah. There’s insane people on every point of the political spectrum.
Don’t even mention the Pentagon
Isn’t that where the missile hit on that fateful day?
I always found that particular angle to be hilarious. Like, if you didn’t know the towers were sorta built like a bundle of wires on end and that deforming even the tip of the bundle with heat could cause the roof to fall in and split the whole thing open, then the argument from the conspiracy theorist that it was a controlled demolition sounds plausible. How could that tiny plane hitting so high on the tower knock it down, twice?
Suddenly the WTC-7 guy appears. He’s wearing a literal tinfoil hat and he hasn’t showered in a week. He hijacks the entire conversation to explain how a building that was slapped by the (burning) tallest building in the world couldn’t have possibly collapsed after 7 hours of uncontrolled fire.
By now you’re probably realizing you have somewhere else to be, and that’s fine, because the two crazies are now shouting over each other about why the Pentagon didn’t collapse, how the entire attack was cover for UA 93 to flee for South America, or whether it was the CIA or aliens who orchestrated the whole thing.
Like, if you didn’t know the towers were sorta built like a bundle of wires on end and that deforming even the tip of the bundle with heat could cause the roof to fall in and split the whole thing open
Yeah… The wtc was basically supported by a center frame tube support structure tied together with a couple hundred perimeter support beams by giant hat truss. If the hat truss is damaged the whole thing collapses under its own weight.
how a building that was slapped by the (burning) tallest building in the world couldn’t have possibly collapsed after 7 hours of uncontrolled fire.
But but, no sky scraper had ever been brought down by fire before… They always forget the part where a giant chunk of building fell on it doing a ton of structural damage before a multi floor uncontrolled fire burnt for 7 hours straight. Plus, there have been several buildings of similar size that have collapsed due to fire since 2001.
People who think 9/11 was a controlled demolition simply do not not know enough about engineering to have an educated opinion. There are only a few demolition companies in the world large enough to take on a project that size, and it would have taken months of hundreds if not thousands of civilian workers and engineers working onsite around the clock to execute.
There are only a few demolition companies in the world large enough to take on a project that size, and it would have taken months of hundreds if not thousands of civilian workers and engineers working onsite around the clock to execute.
Eh… I’m no 9/11 conspiracy theorist* but there’s one little hole in that logic: There are only a few demolition companies in the world that could do it safely, and it would have taken hundreds of workers and engineers to do it safely. But if you don’t care about killing a few thousand people in the process and causing major damage to other nearby buildings, maybe then the job gets a lot easier.
But yeah, let me reiterate, it was not a controlled demolition, and the buildings collapsed due to steel supports being weakened by fire and airplane impact.
*The one 9/11 conspiracy I am kind of on board with is that various US intelligence agencies were aware of the impending attack and failed to do anything about it. Either because they were grossly incompetent … or in the more sinister version, they were deliberately ordered to ignore it, allowing the attack to happen, because the people in charge (Bush administration) wanted it to happen: that way they could have excuses to justify new wars in the Middle East, the Patriot Act, forming the Department of Homeland Security (including ICE), etc.
*Oh, and a further 9/11 conspiracy I could get on board with: Flight 93 (the hijacked plane that didn’t hit anything) was supposedly taken down because the passengers on board had heard of the other attacks and decided to fight back, and the plane lost control in the struggle and crashed. But I suspect that might be a cover story. I suspect that Flight 93 was actually shot down by a fighter jet or a surface-to-air missile, and the story of heroic passengers fighting back was invented in order to absolve the US government of the guilt of shooting down a civilian plane full of innocent passengers. With that cover story, the passengers are self-sacrificing heroes, rather than victims of collateral damage who’d been sacrificed by their own government.
Free fall speed? Into its own footprint? There have been hundreds of structual engineers who have come forward calling it a controlled demolition.
I don’t know. If you’re not worried about casualties or collateral damage then it gets a lot easier.
I don’t think the person you replied to believes the conspiracy, they’re just answering the question about what the conspiracy is.
You’re correct, but I don’t think disorderly thought I believed it.
Because we all know planes are the only thing that can cause a building to fall.
Every time a high rise is demolished, someone has to fly a plane into it. It’s pretty much what the Boeing 737 Max was designed for.
And pool noodles. Never hit a building with a pool noodle!
Are you an Epstein Files denier or something?
Next thing he’s going to say Obama didn’t do 9/11 or something!
What, so we’re supposed to believe Harambe killed himself?!
I mean… he was in the white house at the time. Why didn’t he go to help at ground zero like Trump?
Because he was busy praying towards Mecca and defiling everything that is holy about America, duh!
Oh, right… in Hawaii, not his REAL birthplace, Kenya
What
It’s hilarious how all you do is complain about Lemmy but you still use it enough for me to recognize your username.
It’s like you live to be miserable.
Oh no you mistake me, I love Lemmy, I hate Americans
recognize your username
That’s because this place only has like 7 users and I’m the only one who tells the others to shut the fuck up about America
Lemmy Shitpost is now overrun not with shitposts but American politics or politics in general and I’m the only one who calls it out, everyone else just left
Are you not miserable? Is that not why we are here?
Are you not entertained? Lol
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what? are you confused on a literal left wing conspiracy post in lemmy shitpost?
No we’re just waiting for you to elaborate or get downvoted to oblivion.
Trolls/bots too often post vague and broad statements without providing details so here we are again. Asking for details
