It’s not a shortage, it’s billionaires hoarding the existing supply.
SOOO let’s start some new companies to increase the supply… ? Obviously?
Except there are zero contracts in place to actually build those data centers, nor is there enough power generated to run them. I really wish tech journalists would do the background to determine if what these documented liars are saying is even possible, never mind likely.
When this all crashes to the ground it’s going to be ugly.
Keep that powder dry for the cheap RAM when the pendulum swings back.
I feel like some sort of scheme will be invented to fuck your average person over when that time comes.
Ugly, yes, but also cheap.
IDK, a lot of that data center AI hardware is built to self-destruct after a few years. It’s going to take time for the factories to retool before we see prices drop back down.
Can’t happen soon enough. Few people want AI and now it will fuck over a bunch of people very directly. No idea how long the investors can keep inflating this bubble now.
They already planned and built many data centers by then and will use them. It‘s going to be cloud services all the way. Desktops or even capable phones will be a thing of the past as everyone expects you to source out computing power to a subscription service. We will own nothing. It‘s peak capitalism.
I haven’t yet seen where use of AI hasn’t made things worse.
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Agents: Every instance of AI for “customer service” I’ve run into basically just closed cases for invalid reasons, spouted bullshit, and was used to block interacting with a real human, trapping users in infinite loops (thanks eBay) or disconnecting on them (thanks PayPal)
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Security: M365 seems to be relying heavily on this now, which means that the same phishing email which was successfully blocked last week will randomly get through a few times this week for no apparent reason
*Coding: sometimes useful, but also points to do stuff like reference functions that don’t actually exist in the API/language being used
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the problem is that governments want AI for their surveillance bullshit, especially FSA. they will never let any of these companies fail, and in fact will have no problem blowing $Xbillion of taxpayer money to bail them out
Local and self controled AI has some really cool applications. When I can afford it, replacing my home security cameras with something that stays local and not sent to the cloud is on my list of things to do. When I do that having a local AI do image recognition and tying it into my home assistant setup will be a cool project.
I have multiple Reolink cameras and can recommend them. Everything can run completely locally with their app and the cameras blocked in the firewall while recording to a SD card. You can let the cameras connect to their servers for push notifications and remote access if you like (I unblock them in the firewall sometimes if I’m going to be away and want to access them).
The cameras have onboard ML that can detect humans, cars, pets, and motion, and it’s fully possible to leverage those events in HA, making a something like Frigate and a Coral TPU unnecessary.
Personally, I just use them with the app, as well as RTSP streams from VLC, though I did have local push notifications setup with HA in the past for human detection from my Reolink doorbell.
There’s the ai that works well, has many useful applications and reasonable hardware requirements, and there’s the generative ai fucking everything and not giving us a proportional return in usefulness
Yeah you need hardware for that. They’re making it so we can’t get hardware and we can’t self-host.
You don’t think China sees the vacuum left from the current players exiting consumer markets? The protectionism playbook that the US has run is catching up to bite us in the ass, which will be accelerated now that China has EUV.
That and I expect used enterprise hardware to continue to be sold. I have an old hotel check-in computer as my current router running OPNSense.
Do it! It’s super easy with Frigate addon for home assistant. There’s nice blueprints to handle the mobile notifications when you are out.
Look into Frigate
But we might scoop up loads of cheap RAM, hard drives and a nice GPU!
Unless you’re planning on buying the whole rack you’re not scooping up anything, except maybe the hard drives. The memory and GPUs are not consumer grade hardware. Some of the GPUs you technically could hook up to your PC, for example the Nvidia A6000, but its launch price was ~$4500 so even on the cheaper end you’re shelling out probably $3000 for a card that (out the box) is marginally better than the 4070ti. Most of the GPUs and pretty much all of the memory is not compatible with your standard consumer grade MoBos.
Yeah I was a bit ironic, like just wait plebs you might get to buy the used hardware when I’m done with it.
Data centers will consume…
No, data centers that are slated to be built say they’ll consume. If they don’t get built because they run out of funding or the bubble bursts, then they won’t consume. They’re trying really fucking hard to make fetch happen.
They’re trying really fucking hard to make fetch happen.
Which is dumb because neofetch, fastfetch, hyfetch, and uwufetch all already exist!
You think they allow prices to go down?
Damn so we really aren’t always going to have calculators :'(
Watch this not ever really even touch the mobile phone market. The only computer they want you to have access to is the one they fully control…
Might want to keep an eye on [email protected]. It’s time we take back control of that computing sector
Maybe we should manage these supply chain bottlenecks with AI.
Can we all buy cheap hardware when the bubble bursts and the billionaires decide not to pay the electricity bills for these ridiculous datacentres?
Unlike with the GPU shortage, where the cryptomining gpus could be used by regular consumers, the datacenter ram and so on is not usable on personal computers. It is all going to be e-waste, and we will still have a shortage after the bubble burst.
is datacenter ram really not usable on personal PC’s? I figured it was the same as consumer ram but with ECC features, but I haven’t gone out of my way to try and buy any.
They’re using the new SOCAMM standard, which current consumer hardware can’t use.
It’s a different physical interface.
Whether it will end up coming to consumer grade motherboards… 🤷♂️
Well that sucks. I assumed the ram, ssds, hdds could be recycled into useful forms.
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No
Who will end up holding the bag?
Us. Like always.
Can we start to burn serverhalls?
AI revolution is so great
Removed by mod
You can just say rich.
