Goodeye8

I understood your point because we’re on the same side and I took a generous interpretation of what you said. Now that I’ve taken a really critical look I have no fucking idea what you were trying to say because the numbers make no sense.

If I correct your 500 and 4 years, your statement becomes “Nintendo sold their consoles at industry pricie for the average console lifecycle”. Oh the horror, Nintendo does what every other console seller does. And the part about selling a reskinned game at full price every 2 years? If I’m being generous I’d say you’re talking about BOTW and TOTK. But that’s not 2 years and it’s not a reskin and your argument implies multiple games but I can barely come up with one.

Your entire comment could’ve been only the second part and it would’ve been just as informative as what you actually wrote. That’s how worthless your fucked up numbers have made the point.

Using years and hundreds of dollars is not min/maxing precision. That’s a stupid excuse for something you should own up because your made up numbers detract from your point. If the numbers don’t matter then this shouldn’t make your argument look ridiculous.

Nintendo, the company that makes gamers pay them $5000 for a new console every year, and then $800 for a new skin of the exact same game every month, and calls it innovations and consumer friendliness.

You can’t just make up numbers and expect to have reasonable argument. By making up numbers you’re just opening yourself up to criticism (which it seems you can’t take) even if the actual point you’re making is right.

I got it for free and I still didn’t finish it. It had some interesting ideas but a lot of the gameplay elements were extremely shallow, the main character was annoying, the story was boring and I couldn’t get it running on Linux and I wasn’t going to boot into Windows just to play this game.

I probably would’ve been disappointed had I paid any money for it.

We don’t know the exact state of the game but what we know is that it’s early access ready. If previous Unknown world games are of any indication it’s still 2 years away from final release. They might make some money back with early access but it will be negatively reviewed under the pretense that it will not be properly finished. The release is already guaranteed to take a financial hit.

Standard practice has been to fuck over the developers after release. They haven’t released Subnautica 2 yet. They’re screwing the developers over before they’ve cashed out the game. That’s the part that made it implausible in my mind.

I didn’t want to think they’re completely incompetent so I decided to do some digging. That $250 million is actually part of their acquisition deal. Krafton technically bought Unknown Worlds for $750 million. $500 million was paid up front and the extra $250 million was due for 2026 if Unknown Worlds met the performance clause. That $250 million has nothing to do with the sales of Subnautica, it’s part of the buyout.

This could mean they were always going to try and stiff Unknown Worlds. It also means it’s probably less about the people working at Unknown Worlds getting stiffed and more about the leadership expecting a payout that was agreed upon.

That’s according to Krafton and we know they will bend the truth to create a narrative. But even if it’s true I still think Krafton are the assholes here. I’m less concerned when people in positions of power don’t get their position enabled bonuses, but Krafton is also taking away whatever bonus the actual workers were originally promised.

When I first heard about the firings and the delay to the game I thought “This doesn’t sound plausible. Are they really going to ruin their investment and effectively kill the company to supposedly save a quarter of a billion. That would be unbelievably stupid”. But with every subsequent nugget of information it’s getting increasingly clearer that they, Krafton, actually are unbelievably stupid. They’re pretty much guaranteed that if Subnautica 2 gets released (and that’s assuming Subnautica 2 is in a good enough position to be released) the studio will shutter as all the talent will move on and all the money Krafton spent acquiring the studio is thrown in the wind. They’re not even going to save the quarter billion because the delay means they’re going to be paying at least 6 months wages for minimum effort work because I doubt anyone at that studio is willing to put in the effort after being cheated out of their bonus.

Even if it’s all so obvious I still find it hard to believe the publisher is THAT stupid. But that’s the world we live in, where people get to make idiotic decisions because they’re greedy as fuck.

As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There’s no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we’ve (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern.

Also considering there’s at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it’s bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple “No” that we’ve seen so far.

Well, if you had been here since the start you’d know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn’t even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there’s nothing to even petition for. I don’t remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross’s radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven’t said outright “No” yet and they’re big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed.

As for a boycott, you’re free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don’t see how you’re going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don’t work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I’ve seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games.

You’re free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts.

Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow?

What even is your point? Besides “I don’t like this thing so I’m going to shit on it”? You’ve made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you’ve said is that it doesn’t work (technically you haven’t even said this, at best you’ve implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott “solution” as well.

You have no point. You’re just shit stirring. That’s why you’re a bad faith troll.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I was under the impression that Ross had people prepared to meet with the representatives and present the initiative in case it does go through in the EU. Because it’s not like he could do it himself considering he’s not an EU citizen.

I don’t know how far you made it but if you make the biggest vehicle you can add planters inside the vehicle which significantly cuts down the need to restock. That said in the end game the survival elements become so trivialize they end meaningless busywork even if you have planters.

Reminds me of the good old days of playing Colin McRae Racing 2.0. Even the red Mini Cooper makes an appearance. I just got all the right heart strings pulled, this is going on my wishlist to check it out when it releases.

I get hating Fallout 3. I hate how it (and every subsequent Bethesda Fallout game) has done irreparable damage to the Fallout lore. I think its main story is pretty shit and the only reason it’s not a steaming pile of shit is because somehow Fallout 4 was able to surpass Fallout 3 in shittiness.

But you have to have your head pretty far up your ass if you think people wouldn’t actually enjoy it. It’s a good game (a bit dated by today’s standards), it’s just not a good Fallout game. And the people who love Fallout 3 don’t care about the reasons that make it a bad Fallout game.

Honestly, IMO the lack of D-pad was less of an issue than the lack of a second analog stick. The lack of a second stick made the controller almost impossible to use in any game that was designed with 2 sticks in mind. For example Nier Automata 9S hacking minigame was a horrible experience with the Steam controller.

It looks like a giant…

Honestly I’d even prefer that because it diminishes the value of in game purchases and would be a step towards getting rid of them as well.

I think it mostly revolves around how you get 100 players together for a good game. The match making part.

This part is not really what the initiative is about. The initiative can’t guarantee you’ll be able to find 100 other people to play with. Even matchmaking (unless it’s somehow made integral to the game) is not really relevant to the initiative. What the initiative is concerned with is preservation of games. To give a specific example, if you’re able to organize 100 people to play the same game the initiative wants you to have the technical capability to set up the game for 100 people. And to give a more real life example, Anthem is shutting down at the start of 2026. That means if me and my 2 friends get nostalgic and want to play Anthem in 2027 we literally cannot, the game won’t run. But if what SKG wants to achieve would be a reality right now then EA would have to have a way for me to set up whatever is necessary for me and my 2 friends to play Anthem together, be it some kind of server binary or P2P solution or source code or whatever, doesn’t matter how the company wants to solve this as long as it works. That’s what SKG is about.

My initial question in this thread framed changing the game design, not networking stack. So it was about making it all local/same screen only. An absurd example on purpose.

SKG isn’t saying companies should make BR-s local/split screen. It’s only concerned with keeping games in a playable state. SKG doesn’t alter the game design unless the technical stack required to keep the game running is somehow integral to the design of the game. SKG deliberately leave the “how a game should be preserved” open so publishers/developers could preserve games how they see fit. If the publishers/developers want to rip out the multiplayer and replace it with local/split screen that’s how they’ve decided to preserve their game. That is not really criticism of SKG, that’s just a bad faith argument that can be made only because SKG isn’t as restrictive as people claim it to be.

And specifically in your example the design of a BR game does not need to change at all because the only thing preventing some BR-s from being preserved is the fact that you cannot set up your own servers.