“in Sweden you simply can’t be a criminal”
Aladeen/aladeen
Damn this meme aged like milk.
Our politicians still argue like this to this day.
At least they haven’t started incorporating Judge Dredd side stories into their politics. Only a matter of time before one of them reads the Dark Judges stories and decides being tough on crime means killing everyone.
Reminds me of this galaxy brain ben moment
Ol Benny Shaps is about as sharp as a baked potato
He has the energy of that kid in high school who has been told his whole he’s the smartest person ever by his parents, and now he thinks everything he ever thinks is the objective truth.
I mean that’s kinda been his schtick is being the “conservative boy genius” except he’s pushing like 40 now so he’s been shifting his style before he completely outgrows his old style. Letting some stubble grow, wearing leather jackets, and generally hitting that “divorced dad trying to look cool but not too much y’know” look
So his age is high enough to surpass his IQ…
The next time you feel that your life is in danger, remind your assailant(s) that assault, battery, rape, and murder are crimes. They will stop immediately and thank you for the gentle reminder.
Instead, tell them it’s banned. That’ll stop them in their tracks.
“I’m telling on you!”
Last words before the teacher came and took the deeply ashamed criminal away to go sit in a corner for a few minutes
You cannot kidnap someone without their consent. Just say no.
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Didn’t this happen in The Dark Knight Rises?
When crime is outlawed, only outlaws will commit crimes
… So make crime legal and tax it instead??
Tax evasion is no longer a crime, but evading taxes has a tax. Checkmate!
Now you’re thinking like a patrician
As a side bonus, you now know who all the members of the thieves guild are.
Is that not what fines are? There are plenty of crimes you can do as long as you have the money
This is the logic of the NRA
No, this is what causes high crime rates! If you want lower crime rates you just outlaw law.
My god she is so god damned dumb. The whole right wing is just so vapid in this country, except the nazis- they aren’t just dumb, they’re zealous too, which is a way more dangerous combination.
These assholes are turning Sweden into a straight up surveillance society and dismantling our rights because dAnGeRoUs ImIGrEnTs. It makes me want to fucking vomit, they are destroying everything that made Sweden great so that we can become more like USA- their favorite country in the world (except for the nazis, who for some super inexplicable reason are in love with Russia).
Blaming the right wing misses how the Social Democrats are championing the same dystopian vision and how the rest of ”the left” are happily playing along for a shot at being in the government. Swedish democracy is on its last straws and I wish people were paying any attention to it.
You do realize that Annie Lööf hasn’t been a politician since 2023 because of people like you?
She left politics after almost being assassinated by a nazi murderer and after years of receiving threats and very graphic, targeted hate speech.
Annie Lööf herself, as a liberal, would not have considered it a problem that people vocalized their frustration with politics or calling politicians ”fucking dumb”.
You are intentionally sabotaging public discourse and I can’t understand why.
The issue is normalisation of hate against politicians, which is the end becomes nazi assassinations. It starts with people, often online, creating a climate where personal attacks are okay, then it step by step increases in intensity to become calls for violence and so on.
You are intentionally sabotaging public discourse
Absolutely not. There’s a difference between calling politicians “fucking dumb” and criticizing policy. If you can’t understand that I can’t help you.
It has never not been normal for people eho are frustrated to call people they disagree with dumb. Insistence to the contrary is total fiction. Democracy isn’t based in perfect harmony and civility – the opposite, in fact. Your false equivalence between OP not being perfectly nice and civil with the absolute worst of hateful shit and threats is not helpful.
And no one has made such claims. I’m afraid that you are completely missing the point. I don’t understand if it is with intent or not but it is not helpful for the debate.
No, it’s perfectly clear your point is to police ”bad speech” from the slippery slope of bad tone. I don’t fully disagree with you, by the way, but your accusation against OP, for writing something rather mild, is ridiculous. Free speech isn’t a decluttering exercise , removing bad speech doesn’t suddenly reveal a hidden wealth of good speech.
And more power to them.
Oh nooo, little miss Ayn Rand fangirl stopped working in politics. Her mandate lasted nearly twenty fucking years, she had plenty of time as a politician.
twenty fucking years
How is that relevant? There’s no time limit on being a politician.
And it’s a huge problem if politicians feel that they have to cease their engagement because of fuckfaces spreading hate and threats against them. If you downplay the issue you’re either not a fan of democracy or can’t see the wider implications.
Oh shit, Sweden too! That was my emigration plan in case of serious problems. The world is fucked all around.
The image is roughly 10 years old and Annie got her fair share of shit for the saying. Don’t worry, you’re welcome here.
Who is this?
Annie Lööf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Lööf
While she is a crazy economically far right politician, who wants everyone to have higher rents, no welfare, and so on, the one thing her party (through many party leader switches since her) still stands against is the populist racist far right. While all other right wing parties adopted the far-right language and started collaborating with them, her party did not, and left their previous coallition to be in opposition instead. I have probably zero respect and understanding for her and her party’s politics, except for that one point. This position also led her to be a target of a planned neo nazi assassination, because of all the hate the far right (here I mean hate the actual far right party, which all the right parties collaborates with openly had for her) has for her and her party.
Centerpartiet is not a crazy economically far right party lmao. They’re absolutely economically liberal, which is a conservative point yes, but they’re not worse than anyone other from Alliansen. This includes Annie Lööf of course.
“Far right” lol ok
If you believe she is far right, you have some serious reading to do mate. You won’t though. You’ll just trash this comment and say you know more than me.
You’re entitled to your beliefs. However wrong they are.
This is Patrick!
I gave up hope when they said welcome to millions of immigrants, without any filter whatsoever, just come to the country without having a job, income, and you dont have to learn the language. Oh and here is some money too so you can stay at home. And here is an apartment. And now we are building mosques. :)
LOL. Swedish people are like…what happened… :)
It was very nice of them, very human, but now the country has massive problems and it wont get any better.
And yes, now they are using the crime as an excuse to put cameras and change laws, as expected. It was probably always the end goal.
As long as you continue to blame all of your country’s problems on Muslims you will never have the understanding needed to actually fix them.
Sometimes the problem is immigration. I dont blame muslims, I blame Sweden.
I get it though. You dont want to think immigration can be a problem because what about the feelings of immigrants. Thats nice. But still, it can be a big problem. And it is.
You dont want to think immigration can be a problem because what about the feelings of immigrants.
No, it’s just that suppressing immigration creates even worse problems that effectively managing it. Not least because it empowers sister-molesting mouthbreathing racists who should be caged.
I’m familiar enough with right wing misinformation to know that immigrants being responsible for increased crime - and even that crime is increasing at all - is an entirely fabricated narrative in the US. I confess not being familiar with the situation in Sweden, but I can recognize the same false narrative reflected in your previous comment.
In Sweden its definently the case. This doesnt mean that all immigrants are criminals. It means that criminal gangs came with the other immigrants, established a foothold in the country, and are now causing a lot of gang related crime in the country.
But that doesnt mean i dislike all immigrants or anything like that. Most are very nice people who wanted a better life here. But the problems the country has now is because of those gangs, not because of native Swedish people. It just means that immigration brought problems to the country. It happens in every country. But to the natives, its not fun to experience it.
Immigration is very good for the immigrants. They get a better life here. And thats nice. But its not without problems for the country.
In Sweden its definently the case.
Is it? The statistics you see are probably unsound. Here’s why.
What’s actually happening is a pipeline: P(crime_occurring) * P(crime_being_reported) * P(crime_being_investigated) * P(charges brought) * P(verdict_being_reached) * P(sentencing).
There’s inherent bias in the reporting, in the likelihood of a crime of a given severity being investigated, the severity of charges being brought for a given crime, the likehilood of conviction based on a particular set of facts, and the severity of sentencing once a conviction has been made. All of this has been conclusively shown in a large number of different countries. There’s no reason to believe Sweden would be different. Based on some of the ignorant shit I’ve personally heard Swedes say, at least anecdotally, it is not a country free of prejudice.
And the statistics that are actually easy to accurately measure are not at the first step in that long pipeline.
Even worse, tthe data served up to the public via the media is often manipulated to support a given political point of view. And sometimes it’s more than manipulation, it’s outright lying. Coincidentally, some of those lies are identical to the lies being told by the far-right parties.
Since I assume you’re talking about the time after the Arab spring and muslims, instead of the Finns or Yugoslavs or Argentinans or any other immigrant group. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is something you might wanna read up on, article 14 especially.
Anyway, there’s so much dumb shit in your comment that it’s hard to reply to, I mean
And now we are building mosques. :)
Religious freedom in a democracy?! Unheard of.
now the country has massive problems and it wont get any better
People fleeing war or 30 years of privatisation, demantling of the socialist society and profit chasing? Who knows what to blame 🤷
Xenophobia knows no bounds. It’s not even just “ew brown people” because people were like this about the Finns as well. It’s just stupidity, and stupidity is everywhere.
You know, what is stupid is talking about this when you have no experience of it yourself, and you clearly think any bad opinions about immigration is xenophobia. That is actual stupidity man. You dont have experience and you dont think. Could there be other reasons than skin color? Yeah, lots of reasons. Culture, economics, crime, and so on. The things i actually wrote in my comment.
you clearly think any bad opinions about immigration is xenophobia.
That’s very likely, far more so than the chance that you know what a stranger on the internet “clearly thinks.”
Right, I even said “it’s not even just ‘ew brown people’”, so I’m not sure what you’re arguing over.
without having a job, income, and you dont have to learn the language
…and that’s the fault of the migrant? We have some flawed social programmes. I won’t argue that SFI isn’t rubbish. I’ve dated two Iranians, SFI is very poorly structured and needs more work done to function well. Students can excel there, absolutely, but it’s not exactly set up in a way to make this happen.
I’m not sure why exactly you list job and income, the two tend to be intrinsically linked.
Oh and here is some money too so you can stay at home.
This also means that the state has a constant check on your finances, and you report monthly to Försäkringskassan/Socialen. It’s not exactly a fun experience, and nothing you flaunt, you’ll never get rich or live large on this money.
Also, you’re aware that you as a Swedish citizen have the ability to do this too, right? Just get rid of all your assets, quit your job, and when you’re living below subsistence minimum go grovel at your local socialtjänst.
And here is an apartment.
Again, as a Swede you have the ability to get this, too, you just need to become homeless first. Give it a shot, if you think the experience is so great. There are social programmes for this, and there are requirements for people that end up in these places.
For example, regular immigrants don’t just get an apartment. Asylum seekers might get a place to live while their application is processed, and once that’s been approved they’ll either be assigned a place to live, or get assistance finding a place to live. A lot of this is done on a case-by-case basis, they might for example already have family already established here.
And now we are building mosques.
And what is the problem here? We have freedom of religion here in Sweden, for better and for worse.
Mosques are financed through private financing, generally a tithe collected from the members, grants from the state (which again, if you’re in a religious group you can apply for this too), and private backing from other third-party actors.
The mosques don’t broadcast adhan either, and I don’t think that’s something that would gain any general approval here so I don’t see it happening.
Crime is typically a social problem. Sure, some people are twisted and those that don’t have the contacts required to end up as successful tech-bro CEOs will go about abusing others in a less socially-approved manner, but it’s not a problem inherent to migration.
It takes time to build functioning social programmes, and ours are never allowed to grow into anything functional when our government keeps flip-flopping between the milquetoast left government with the Ayn Rand party making the calls while the nazis set the budget, and the yee-haw capitalist nazi coalition dismantling everything every four years.
Im not blaming immigrants, im blaming sweden for this.
SFI is horrible and at least you have managed to see that.
Then you say that i can also be on social wellfare if I want. Yes, but thats not what I want or anyone living her wants. We want a country where people are qualified to get jobs, not live on wellfare. You probably agree on that too. You have hundreds of thousands of immigrants not getting jobs because they dont learn the language and they are content with getting money from the tax paying population. They dont want to have a shitty job, and rather live on wellfare, which makes perfect sense from their point of view. I would do the same.
Like I said, im not blaming immigrants. I blame Sweden for accepting millions of people and not having any plan to make them productive citizens of the country. And also for being extreamly gullible and stupid, not having any idea of what kind of crime would come with it. Being completely shocked when these people dont want to become Swedish citizens and talk Swedish. Why should they?
And about the mosques, this leads to a culture shift in the country, where islam is getting a foothold. You say for better, for worse. Its for worse. Sweden has a long tradition of human rights, women rights, and seeing people as equal. Muslim countries do not. Obviously.
You are not going to agree with me on this, but at least realize not liking immigration doesnt have to be “i dont like your skin color”. Thats a dumb argument. Its about so much more than that.
You have hundreds of thousands of immigrants not getting jobs because they dont learn the language and they are content with getting money from the tax paying population. They dont want to have a shitty job, and rather live on wellfare, which makes perfect sense from their point of view. I would do the same.
Yeah see, I don’t agree on this. I grew up in poverty here in Sweden. For reference, I was born in Stockholm in the 90s, lived in Södermalm for quite a while. Not exactly an easy place to live on subsistence minimum, but things have changed for the worse since then - I don’t blame migration for this either. Our housing problem isn’t a problem of scarcity, it’s a problem of greed.
I grew up with a single parent, with a very rocky employment record. Living on welfare is complete ass, and sometimes you won’t get it even if it’s entirely necessary. I know a bloke who lived out in the middle of nowhere. Rent was cheap, but he had no public transit access. Ended up on hard times, and struggled finding a job. He owned an old Volvo that the social services deemed worth 15k, and so at one point they decided that he should sell his only means of transport to any potential place of employment. Thus his only option was to do that, and move somewhere more expensive putting him in a worse economic situation.
Living on welfare is stressful. It doesn’t matter if it’s from socialen or försäkringskassan. It’s fickle, and it’s demeaning. You’re looked down upon as if you’re a leech in a system that exists to help people in your position. A system we all pay into to help people in that position. Including people who are in that position. You don’t stop paying taxes just because you’re on welfare, that’s coming out of your bottom-line as well.
If you’d rather live on welfare than work a shitty job, do it. You see this sort of argument all the time, but it really isn’t as fun or relaxing as you think it is.
That’s not to say that there aren’t people like this, it just has nothing to do with migration. It’s a case of the bourgeoisie shitting on the working class and pointing at migrants as the problem. Go back far enough in time, before we had a visible migrant minority, and this stupid talking point was still being made.
You are not going to agree with me on this, but at least realize not liking immigration doesnt have to be “i dont like your skin color”. Thats a dumb argument. Its about so much more than that.
Again, you clearly didn’t read what I said, because the continuation of “it’s not even just ‘ew brown people’” was…
because people were like this about the Finns as well.
The implication you’ve missed here is that the Finnish immigrants were white, and xenophobes found ways to be arses about them anyway. Those same xenophobes would todaWe have an opportunity to be open and welcoming to people, y point at Finns as “the good kind” of immigrant, because of a “cultural overlap” or whatever. If you shrunk the world down to just a single village, the xenophobes would bemoan the people on the other side of it.
Sweden has a long tradition of human rights, women rights, and seeing people as equal.
No, we don’t. We dabbled with eugenics on the native population in the 40s. Women got a general right to vote in 1919, which is only about 100 years ago. Married women were myndigförklarade first 1921. Abortion wasn’t made legal until 1975. Gays like me were considered mentally ill until 1979. That wasn’t even 50 years ago. Our most recent overturn of a eugenics law was in 2013, so in a couple of years it’ll be old enough to get a driver’s license.
I’m not praising Islam. I don’t think religious dogma should have a spot in modern society. One of my exes fled to Sweden because of persecution. He was captured by the regime in his home country, and tortured. His back is covered in scars.
The religious extremism and zealotry isn’t a reflection of the culture at large, just how Trump and the insane far-right in the U.S. isn’t a representation of the average populace. It’s corruption. The perspective of the Middle East and Africa as some kind of undeveloped, brutish, uncultured backwaters are based in European imperialism and white supremacy. It’s just not historically true.
this leads to a culture shift in the country, where islam is getting a foothold.
The experience in the UK is that Muslim immigrants’ level of religious observance (e.g., mosque attendance) and degree of religious conservatism both decline based on how many generations the immigrant’s family has been in the country. Out-marriage (with respect to both religion and ethnicity) also increases with each successive generation. There’s an issue with a small minority of second-generation youth becoming extremists in reaction to difficulty in assimilating, but the overall trend goes the other way.
And the right’s solution is to add more barriers to assimilation. That makes it look to me like their goal is not to solve the problem, but to be sure they have a steady supply of marginalized scapegoats.
Then you say that i can also be on social wellfare if I want. Yes, but thats not what I want or anyone living her wants.
I would do the same.
Pick one. I love the trope “I want to work and not be on welfare. But the (insert vulnerable group) don’t, they just want to relax on tax payers money!”
Which reality are you living in? I’d like to visit, out of curiosity.
The real world. Have you experience with living in Sweden? A lot of opinions but you just dont know otherwise.
And yes, now they are using the crime as an excuse to put cameras and change laws, as expected. It was probably always the end goal.
I will say this: human greed in our world has no limits.
This is also true in America, but only if you’re not wealthy.
This holds true here in Sweden too.
“Justice is a snake, it only bites the barefooted ones.”
Here we need to start with the first important step - super-rich criminals. Oh, my legs hurt, I don’t want to climb the stairs…
The translation is not what she said though.
Link to actual translation?
“Viral: Annie Lööf and the criminal offenses
I have noted that this old image of Annie Lööf from SVT’s Aktuellt is circulating on social media again. “In Sweden, it is forbidden to be criminal,” the caption on the image reads, and comments usually suggest that this proves how utterly imbecilic Annie Lööf is to say such a thing.
Image likely from Aktuellt, February 21, 2012. But is the text authentic or manipulated?
But is the image actually authentic? Admittedly, those who subtitle TV programs are often forced to compress statements quite heavily, so this could possibly be what the subtitler thought was a fair summary of what Annie Lööf said. However, it could also be a Photoshopped image.
The last time this image went around the web, I wrote to Aktuellt to ask, but unfortunately received no reply. The image shows the older Aktuellt logo, so it should be older than March 5, 2012, when Aktuellt launched its new design.
The Swedish Radio program Tankesmedjan i P3 addressed the matter on February 23, 2012, and on the program’s website, they also wrote about it under the headline “It is illegal to commit crimes.” The audio file itself on the website was titled “In Sweden, it is thus criminal to be criminal.” In the program, this causes great amusement, yet they quote Annie Lööf with a longer excerpt than what appears in the TV image, where she says:
“In Sweden, for a very long time, it has been forbidden to conduct activities with a criminal purpose, and it still is and will continue to be so in the future.”
The Social Democratic magazine Tiden’s Facebook page also reproduces the longer quote and cites the source as SVT’s Rapport on February 21, 2012. Political scientist and commentator Ulf Bjereld likely heard the same phrasing in Aktuellt that same day, as he tweeted:
“In Sweden, it has long been forbidden to conduct activities with a criminal purpose.” Annie Lööf just said in SVT Aktuellt.
Bjereld apparently considered any further comment superfluous.
When the TV station did not respond to my email, I wrote instead to Annie Lööf’s department, the Ministry of Enterprise, and received a reply from Joel Kanebjörk (Oct 19, 2012, reg. no. N2012/3636/BREV):
“Minister for Enterprise Annie Lööf has previously pointed out that it is forbidden to conduct activities with a criminal purpose. This was in connection with deliberations regarding Annie’s and the government’s vision to simplify and increase freedom for the country’s entrepreneurs. Part of this vision has been to reduce the number of regulations for entrepreneurs, precisely to increase freedom and profitability. Against this background, an implication has been highlighted suggesting that the government has simplified things so much for businesses that it is now easier for them to resort to criminal acts.”
Well, then the statement perhaps doesn’t sound quite so tautological. If you search through old government bills and legal texts, you also find quite a bit regarding “criminal purpose.” For example, the Trade Names Act (1974:156) prohibits registering a firm that “is contrary to law or other statutes.”
In Government Bill 1973:115, legislation is requested because it can “be suspected that at least part of the significant income provided by sex club and posing activities is utilized for a criminal purpose.”
In a motion to the Parliament (1997/98:L912), it is stated that it is not “justifiable that the Foundation Act is used for a criminal purpose. A review should take place to close the loopholes that make economic crime possible…”
It remains an open question whether the specific image is manipulated or not. But it can be considered established that Annie Lööf was likely referring to these types of ulterior motives within certain activities.”
Annie Lööf
I don’t think the rest of the world knows or cares who that is. They just see a (possibly spoof) caption of someone (off the street?) speaking.
Not a huge difference or should I say not very different
I think I see what she’s trying to say. Something along the lines of “normally legal things can become illegal if it can be proven that you’re doing them with criminal intent”. Like you’re buying a car for example, which would be legal. But if someone can prove that you’re buying that car with the explicit purpose of using it to run someone over in a preplanned assault, then it can be treated as illegal. Which might have been too much for the translator to reduce into a short and accurate one liner.
Maybe she’s just an idiot though, who knows. I don’t even know if that’s how the law works over there.
No but the swedish subtitle is not what she said either. It concerns the legal term “criminal intent” when it comes to running a business. Someone else posted a longer explanation.
That is not nearly as fun though
In difference, it is considered to be insignificant.
A distinction without a difference.
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