…The same Zig that ditched LLVM, to make their own compiler from scratch?
This is good. But also, this is sort of in character for Zig.
I wish Microsoft keeps up with its AI obsession and push as much as possible. At some point they’ll realize the reputation damage, but the longer it will take the better. Just stop the negative publicity
The publicity will have little impact; only the AI bubble popping will make them change course. But the damage is already done - they’ve pivoted their company to AI, forced it into all there products and force their employees to use it. Once the bubble pops that’s going to take time to undo and fix.
AI of course will still be a thing, but at the moment they’re wasting billions on it as everyone wants to be to AI as Google is to search.
…take off every zig
Somebody set us up the bomb!
Make your time.
We know what you doing
Move ZIG for great justice!
Make your time
Greetings, fellow internet pioneer! Don’t forget to take us up the bomb!
*set up us
Love Codeberg. Just wish there would also be HackerHill, BytePeak and SoftwareSummit with federation!
I love that Codeberg exists, but there’s one thing I kinda dislike.
I’d like to use the same forge for my private projects (hey, a couple of them may make money one day! I gotta eat too) as I do for open source stuff, but Codeberg is explicitly open source only.
It’s a minor thing, really. Which I could get past by using another Forgejo instance, like Codefloe. But these smaller instances, how long will they be around?
I suppose just running my own git server, with or without a forge attached to it, for private projects, is the only real solution. But then I have even more things to self-host lol
I see this as a feature not bug, and tbh kinda resent those who hoard information and try to extract wealth from it. Extremely rude to the giants whose shoulders your work is built on. I’m the person who’s going to crack and redistribute your shit as soon as you publish it, nice to meet you :)
I’m the person who’s going to crack and redistribute your shit as soon as you publish it, nice to meet you :)
Out of curiosity, how do you crack and redistribute backend code as soon as a service is published?
Client-side code is usually Javascript for everything made in the last 10 years anyway, it doesn’t need a lot of cracking lol, it’s usually just minimized.
Anyway, say I’m building something that has taken me years of working in a specific industry to even be able to understand the requirements, that’s only useful for companies (NOT private individuals, though some companies may only have 1-2 employees, but many will have thousands). There’s literally no way it would benefit a private individual because for the 10% of it that overlaps with things private individuals also do, there’s already great open source solutions. What exactly is the problem with charging money for it, given that it’s ONLY going to be used by for-profit companies who are themselves charging money for their services?
Not really a project that would benefit normal people. You and I would have no use for it.
That was somewhat facetious and self-aggrandizing, “cracking” something isn’t always possible or necessary. If your service was unique/useful enough, I would contribute to reverse engineering enough of that backend to replicate its functionality. More likely I’d just refuse to use it and support open alternatives
Unsolicited advice though, giving stuff away generates a huge amount of goodwill that can be way more useful and rewarding than revenue. Contributors instead of employees, love instead of money, place and purpose instead of points in your bank account. I’m not wealthy by any means, but I’m comfortable enough and haven’t had to buy a laptop since high school
Sure. But thing is, there’s software out there for which FOSS doesn’t even make much sense.
I’m talking things that are so niche, the total amount of potential users (not customers - that’s a much smaller number) is in the hundreds of thousands, not even millions - most of whom have no say in what software they use, nor does it affect their pay checks.
If I was building, say, accounting software that every company can use, that’d be different, because while still business focused, there’d be a lot more grass roots interest in it. But I’m talking about software where you have to sell it to a bunch of execs, along with support contracts and uptime guarantees, because their entire business is dependent on it functioning properly. I’m also talking about software for one niche of one industry in one country.
The project isn’t useful enough to you, an engineer, to reverse engineer the backend. Nor are there any open alternatives that work. It requires keeping up with regulations, including some that change every year. It’s not that the software itself is super complex magic, it’s that it stops being useful if not well-maintained.
What I have considered, though, is making parts of it open source, and keeping only the “secret sauce” proprietary. The open source parts would be stuff that could be used to build similar software for other niches of the same target industry, whereas the super specific niche stuff and all the regulation compliance stuff (much of which is just for that one niche anyway - other niches have different regulations) would be proprietary. Essentially building a set of FOSS libraries, and a niche proprietary application that uses them to service a specific market. Again, good reason for using a forge where you can have both public and private projects - but of course I could just use CodeBerg for the open source and host the rest of it privately.
I’m only building this in my spare time and fairly slowly because I have to do work that gets me paid though. I don’t know if I’ll ever have an MVP I could show investors or clients.
What I have considered, though, is making parts of it open source, and keeping only the “secret sauce” proprietary. The open source parts would be stuff that could be used to build similar software for other niches of the same target industry, whereas the super specific niche stuff and all the regulation compliance stuff (much of which is just for that one niche anyway - other niches have different regulations) would be proprietary.
This seems perfectly reasonable and I wish you the best of luck. Just don’t expect anyone to provide the infrastructure for your proprietary secret sauce for free!
All your codebase belong to us!
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/286/
Damn, “.swf”
SWF vector animations are incredibly resilient, actually. I can still pull my saved SWF memes, and run them through Ruffle at modern resolution, or Swivel to get 60 fps 4K lossless MP4 versions, or bigger. Kind of cool.
And you can still uncompile them. I even discovered some credits and commentaries written in a hidden area of “Zero Wing Rhapsody” (speaking of Aybabtu) put here by the creator. Felt like geeky archeology.
I can hear the song so clearly by just watching this picture.
For great justice
What you say!
Take off every Zig!
I am a wanna-be coding data analyst who has decided to start directly in Codeberg, more because of anti-US than anti-AI sentiment.
I have 2 questions for everyone more experienced than me and in general more knowledgeable of the market dynamics:
- How far is Forgejo/Codeberg from feature parity with Github?
- I don’t see any public SaaS/tools connecting to Codeberg as they are with Github. Is this by design or is it due to lack of reception? And, in your opinion, what would be a kind of service/connector that would really change things if made available for Codeberg?
I highly doubt there will ever be parity. There will also be some differences where there can be improvements made over GitHub. Right now you only hear about individuals moving over or open source software. This is mainly because they don’t need the enterprise features that GitHub has. I am not sure if you self hosted forgejo if you would get those as well. It’s meant to be free. This is the biggest thing that would be missing. For individuals, I don’t think you’ll notice many differences.
For your second question. It doesn’t matter. What matters is git. There are 2 main ways to access this. SSH and http. All you really need is git. There are other tools out there like gitlab. Gitlab is pretty decent too, but the workflow is a bit different. You can even self host with gitlab too. You may not see many direct integrations to gitlab either, but people have been working with it for years now. There is also bitbucket. I think forgejo has a better chance at succeeding though if it continues to do what it’s doing. Just tailor to the free and open source community. Really the only thing people need to do is create an account and set up some ssh keys. Beyond creating an account, there is no difference in how you clone a repo from GitHub and codeberg. Just copy the URL and do git clone.
TL;DR GitHub and codeberg have different missions. It will be a similar experience and features for individuals or open source projects are close to the same on both platforms. You probably won’t notice much of a difference.
Right now you only hear about individuals moving over or open source software.
Codeberg limits the type of license that can be hosted to open source licenses so open source is really the only option at the moment.
forgejo
How is this generally pronounced? I feel like “for-GAY-hoe” would be the only workable pronunciation.
Their FAQ actually has an audio clip, haha https://forgejo.org/static/forgejo.mp4
Forge-ayo
Think hispanic
Ah, I was thinking Portuguese-esque.
Microsoft has gone all-in on AI to the detriment of basically every other aspect of their business. They are in deep deep shit when the bubble finally pops.
like any other tech giant
Microsoft’s business model has always been getting businesses who are even stupider than them to give them tons of money. Nothing is ever going to change that calculus.
Completely gave up on the console wars thing too for AI. Such ridiculous leadership by Sadya
And I am so ready for the bubble to burst.
15% of the total United States GDP is a single company. I struggle to comprehend the scale of that, but one thing is for certain; it’s going to bite us in the ass eventually.
Stock valuation of a company is not calculated int the GDP. Only domestic revenue is. There is no company that makes trillions in revenue.
True, but Nvidia’s market cap is still equal to 15 percent of 30.486 trillion. What’s worse is that it’s ALL built on speculation.
This house of cards WILL fall.
Nvidia is less speculation that the other companies mixed up in this. They at least sell physical goods which they’ve been shipping.
Microsoft, Google, X, Meta - Oh boy!
They haven’t. Part of the reason the bubble is so bad is that NVIDIA has been giving credit incentives to openai and other llm companies. Essentially giving them money so they use it to buy NVIDIA chips, so they can claim higher sales numbers. But there’s no revenue. The AI bubble is 4 or 5 companies shuffling money to each other to inflate numbers so investors inject more money.
The only ones making bank are CEOs when they take their bonuses and cash outs. The companies themselves are bleeding. OpenAI needs something like $700 billion dollars more to survive until 2030. LLMs simply don’t make any money. Any savings from ai use has been from layoffs. It will all eventually crash out when it is obvious that AI use ultimately hurts revenue, no matter how much it saves in production.
15% of the total United States GDP is a single company
no, it is not. you struggle to comprehend it because it is not true.
it is comparing different things. one is a valuation, the other is the value of goods and services over a year. the comparision would be with yearly revenue of a company
The stat that’s going around at the moment is that 30% if the GDP is transactions between the “Magnificent 7”. That one is fair because it’s economic activity.
The underlying economy is in recession with the AI frosting on top pushing it to break even levels.
That one is even more ridiculously untrue.
Those stocks make up 30% of S&P 500, by weight.
Not GDP.
Thanks for the clarification.
15% of American GDP is approximately $4.57 trillion.
Absurd, isn’t it?
It’s not one company, but the top 5 companies make up 40% of South Korea’s economy, with the top 30 76.9% of their GDP. It’s scary to imagine the power they wield over the peoples lives.
Power over their lives? Nonsense, the people of S
amsungouth Korea are completely free to use iPhones instead of Samsung phones if they want! They can also leave their Samsung apartments to work at the Samsung office, built by the Samsung construction company using Samsung heavy machinery, any time they want! If they were to get injured on the way, they’ll get treated at Samsung Medical Center and not to worry, of course their Samsung insurance will cover it.
dont worry govt bailouts with public money will come in. Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
It’s not socialism, it’s welfare.
only if you consider companies as people.
I’m not agreeing with it but if it were socialism we would at least have public ownership of the bailed out company. Any bailout would just be corporate welfare with little return
The bailout should transfer ownership to the public. Employees and (sane) products/services can stay, the idiots who tanked the company can shuffle off.
That’s the same with socialism, though.
Socialism would do what’s best for society.
Socialism would do what the majority of people wanted it to do, it’s not a benevolent entity the marches through society and fixes everything. It’s merely a tool for society to use to more directly appease the masses needs.
Welfare? For billion dollar companies? That’s rich.
There’s a ton of precedent. Welfare for the rich is justified all the time while those who truly need it are less and less
Azure might keep them afloat but everything else will likely crumble and they’ll have to downsize to mostly just being a cloud provider.
Gods I wish for this.
Sorta like AWS and Amazon (but that Microsoft may crumble?)
Don’t worry, they have like 250 ERPs too. And they’re way more expensive than, say, Odoo, though I guess not as expensive as SAP.
Fingers crossed 🤞
GitHub, more like QuitHub, amirite?
More like, GetOuttaThereHub, huh? huH?
More like: GitouttaHere
More like GitLos
The original blog post is rather frank and to the point. Wish the engineering leadership I worked with communicated this well.
In the end, we opted for a simple strategy, sidestepping GitHub’s aggressive vendor lock-in: leave the existing issues open and unmigrated, but start counting issues at 30000 on Codeberg so that all issue numbers remain unambiguous. Let us please consider the GitHub issues that remain open as metaphorically “copy-on-write”.
Do you know anything about the referenced vendor lock-in?
Basically all the stuff that is build by GitHub and not part of git. Like the pull request discussion boards that is not stored in the git repository. They can’t transfer that out of GitHub to another git host.
Im pretty sure that is possible on forgejo if given a specific github token. Or is it a scale problem?
Aha, shrewd…
Thank you
It’s just that all your shit and users are there, like issue tracking in this case.
The fucking lunacy of the AI bros he lists as examples…
Codeberg doesn’t need billions of users… Just the right ones.
Keep joining Codeberg!
Im eyeing Zig for a long time also as the core developers behind it seem to be really cool and drama free. Which, i know, is no argument for an programming language but cool non the less. Just hope the language itself is also cool to work with.
I’ve been enjoying zig.
It feels like when I go to write C, but without a bunch of code churn/copy paste on getting just the right memory management interface.
It’s not perfect, and the API churn makes it really annoying to find decent documentation. But it’s fun.
You might like Odin. It’s stable and in industry use.
I think the next language I’ll learn will be rust, but Odin has been recommended to me a couple times now.
I do want to try that one out
Same boat, but be warned that Zig and Odin are C-like, while Rust is C++ like. The different workflow needs some getting used to.
Thanks.
I always avoided c++ for its complexity and bad error messages.
If rust is better at that then I’ll give it an honest shot.
Ugggh I’ve been wanting to migrate for months. RIP GitHub.
