The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
See Budapest Memorandum
yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
Edit: I stand corrected.
Looked it up because I wanted to be sure…
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
Here’s Netanyahu passing the buck:
At the very least, the information was out there and either he knew it and allowed it to happen (maybe wasn’t aware it would be that successful), or was grossly incompetent and derelict in his duties.
Thank you. The depths of that man’s evil never cease to amaze me.
It’s confirmed. As is Israel funding Hamas.
Few things say “you need a nuke, you need it right now” like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night
One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.
I don’t agree with Israel at all. But Iran is a theocratic ethnostate as well. One that has pretty loudly proclaimed that the day they have nuclear weapons is the day before they use one on Israel. There’s nobody out there who’s in a morally high position.
Theocracy maybe, but I definitely wouldn’t consider Iran an ethnostate
Theocracy yes, almost as badly as the zionists. Ethnostate no. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, hazbarite.
Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea
But oh so lucrative, and with a catchy phrase…
I see moneybags in this idea, wonder who will first make it a reality…
This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…
Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
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Man up
Fuck off. You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.
state terror
Yeah, the ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ larpers dont do anything else
need to stop
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we’d see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.
The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
And this part, you’re saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can’t think of any other solutions, then please, don’t be part of the solution.
I hope your right, but i don’t know if they know how to stop,
Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
When they’re not european.
It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly “made legal”, but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.
It’s always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.
Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn’t actually exist at all.
I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a “worse way” to do warfare, but that doesn’t move the needle on how bad it is to say: “Welp, there’s a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don’t like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping.”
The thing is, until someone actually faces any consequences in modern times for atrocities such as these; simply saying how bad they are has become meaningless.
I’m surprised there aren’t more high level assassinations.
I’m surprised they’re publicly announcing this one.
I think it’s probably pretty hard to keep simultaneously assassinating 10 targets and their families under wraps, so they’re trying to get ahead of accusations by pretending it’s a show of military strength instead of horrifying skynet murder.
It looks especially bad when they’re pointing the finger at Iran for fucking cluster bombs.
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
I mean… That is how this works. Cluster bombs are bad because they’re less precise and cause more collateral damage. So weapons that target individuals with high precision are better
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
No, they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
That’s why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.
Since you’re just larping your fav book when you do it
The Zola algorithm is real
Marking people for assassination looks normal to the times of Israel. Nice people.
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Evil state? Which one are you referring to?
israel and the us all deserve the nuremberg treatment for their crimes
The Nuremberg trials were a media propaganda circus.
Exactly SIX nazis got the death penalty.
The US/UK did everything they could to help the fascists escape and save them from the Soviets, rehabilitate them and keep their power.I agree with the spirit of your comment. Germany lost, fascism won. But as far as I can see there were close to 40 death sentences out of 160 convictions. Where are you getting your data?
Out his ass like everyone on the internet.
death sentences were not all executed.
In line with my comment.
But OK, they executed ELEVEN people.
Even 40 would be ridiculous.
Absolute and complete bullshit.
Here you go, I have FACTS what have you got?
https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich https://www.businessinsider.com/former-nazi-officials-in-germany-post-world-war-ii-government-2016-10?r=US&IR=T https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo
US/UK also had no problem taking Spain, Portugal, Greece and other completely fascist countries in NATO.
Capitalism and fascism have always been good friends.
Sounds like those guys were good at their jobs - jobs which demand following orders.
When you’re putting together a military force, do you want to train every level of it to think for themselves and only follow the “good” orders?
Okay buddy Nazi sympathetizer
Thanks person from the Meloni Mussolini country
LOL cowardly downvotes for inconvenient facts and…
awkward silence…
It’s time to stop believing the lies of Israel’s might.
They assassinated people in Tehran, they don’t have a special weapon that killed all of them simultaneously. The same lies about “special systems” like the iron dome being impenetrable has been their tactic to ensure pressure on their states.
Special systems = indiscriminate bombing of residential building at night to maximize civilians murdered
Could you please kill the leaders instead? Of Israel too?
The country is funded by a supermacist colonial ideology. The population need to be dezionified and other country should do their obligations in stoping a genocidal state
Special weapon won’t save them in a long war with Iran. Which is why they want US involvement
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
Have you never heard of zionism? This has been the plan for over a century.
I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout. And obviously killing civilians, which the scientists and their families are, but obviously Israel has shown in the past they don’t care about that.
Every military makes plans for any contingency,
In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.
If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.
Militaries tend to do both this things.
Yeah, that’s definitely true for imperialist countries like Israel, the US and Russia.
netanyahu is using the aggression as a way to stave off his own criminal trials prior to him being re-elected.
They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.
I hate that USA is enabling them,
USA is just as guilty as the genocidal cult, perhaps even more so. Somehow I have more sympathy for the brainwashed than the profiteering.
There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
Who upvotes this shit? Are people here really this naive?
I don’t see how that is naive at all. We prop Israel up. If the president calls Bibi and threatens to stop all aid, unless they imposed a ceasefire, it would happen. They have so much power, tech and weaponry because we give it to them. If we pointed the barrel of the most powerful military on earth at them, they would cease immediately.
This will never happen tho. People don’t become president without complete subjugation to the hegemonic narrative (including zionism). Complete fantasy.
Oh I never said it would happen. It will never happen.
Bullshit
You’ll need to elaborate if you want to actually contribute.
Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
I strongly recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappe. He describes well how Israels society has deep internal rifts as the narrative of Zionism ultimately failed to build a cohesive society.
So ultimately Israel needs the eternal war for two main reasons:
- To keep the support by its western lapdogs up, by presenting itself as the eternal victim under war.
- To keep the internal pressure contained by the necessity to hold together because of war.
See for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo
o no! israel thwarted iran’s nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
You’re part of the problem.
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.
I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.
Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.
I’m just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that’s just my 2 cents.
According to the IAEA, the Natanz site was producing uranium enriched to 60% u-235.
For electricity, you need 3-5% u-235.
That’s not an energy program, that’s a weapons program.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:
Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?
Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.
There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).
The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.
How is this all normal and ok?
Just listen to NPR. It’s all good!!! smh.
It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what’s normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.
they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.
It’s not normal. It’s ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.
More than just America need to stand against Israel.
Except we’re the purse, so if we truly oppose it, we can easily make it stop.
Money won’t stop a genocidal cult from nuking the planet.
Stopping the money and supply of arms sure might help.
Makes much more sense to stand up against Palantir!
Can someone try blowing up their servers? That’d be nice.
The wrong Amazon is burning
The rogue state of Israel has immunity from the US and its satellites.
It’s absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it’s the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I’m not sure if anything even can be done anymore…
Don’t worry. “Laws” are being enforced all the time. It’s just not the ones that you imagine.
There’s always something.
I hope so, I genuinely do.
It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.
It is not and never has been ok.
It is not.
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And everyone in their family, building, and general vicinity, and anyone in that 10% of targets who are misidentified by Palantir’s predictive policing/facial recognition tech apparently?
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All’s fair in love and war.
Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
Why not, “and genocide is wrong in both cases,” rather than, “and thus they’re both okay?”
Because USA will never admit its disgusting foundations on genocide, slavery, etc. They would rather jerk off dead enslavers and continue supporting genocide.
So the USA will never admit it, which somehow means you personally have to have a shitty view supporting genocide, too? I still don’t understand the connection, because there isn’t one.
Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.
What part of that completely factual statement don’t you believe?
No it doesn’t.
Truth is hard to swallow. Regardless, people are dying anyway.
Truth is hard to swallow
Apparently Israel’s cock is not
Equating Israel to USA in its right to exist is not swallowing its cock.
They are right. Except one problem still can be solved, the other not so much. Maybe a few centuries after now somebody will think of something. Slow demographic changes and more modern weapons, that stuff.
Appreciate your optimism that Israel is a solvable problem.
