Meh. Can we have the same meme but with old rich men?
If you want to represent the generations that fucked the climate up for gain, let’s pick folks who look a bit more like those who did.
It baffels me how many here seem to think that climate change is a billionaire problem. Are you really serious about this? (genuine question)
What makes you think that way? Its so obviously not true.
Look around you. Imagine you can see CO2. Coming out of the cars around you, the airplanes overhead, trucks and cargo ships delivering your consumer goods, tractors and harvesters on the nearby fields. Are the cars Ferrairs? The planes private jets? The trucks and cargo ships transporting exquisite furniture? The farmers producing kobe beef?
Must be comfortable in your world…
I’m sorry, who has the hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on buying elections, lobbying politician, and putting out propaganda to make sure that policies continue to favor consumption of fossil fuels, use of cars, lax environmental regulations for businesses, wars, and growth at any cost oriented consumption?
Is it the people driving in the cars on their way to work because they can’t afford to live close to where they work and there’s no adequate public transportation to get there? Last I checked it wasn’t.
People do have a responsibility to organize for collective action, but simply blaming them for living in the environment they were born into is missing the point on both moral culpability and practical action.
No war but the class war.
You’re just working for the billionaires when you post divisive nonsense like this.
People over 55 own 73% of the US, heavily outweighing billionaires. Boomers alone outweigh billionaires assets by nearly 10x. Any time you see BlackRock, Vanguard, etc as major shareholders of a company, that means it’s mostly boomers’ 401ks and pension funds. Billionaires themselves are mostly old so really they’re just the top of the iceberg of a much larger problem.
Gen X might be the last generation to retire in the US, for millennials it’s starting to look unlikely. There just aren’t enough people to exploit anymore. Ideally everyone should have 3 kids, but as an interim solution you can start importing workers from 3rd world countries.
Other western countries may not have it as bad with the imbalance, but most are growing worse over time.
True, but it is hard to ignore that the a certain class seems to be centralized/condensed to one generation specifically. And that generation also consistently and energetically supports them to the day they die.
I don’t think members of Green Peace switched to supporting it.
Hello there.
Members of Green Peace protested the use of seal fur and meat, the act of “seal clubbing” and the sale of seal products. This was one of the main sustainable economies in the North. As a result, the communities living there were forced to engage in oil drilling and seismic testing in order to earn money. Still, the fact that seal products are no longer profitable have plunged these indigenous and rural populations into poverty.
The moral of this story is when you see some sort of big moral outrage about something, whether the moral outrage is coming form the left, right, or middle, whether it’s “save the animals,” “save the children,” “save religion,” whatever, you need to do some sort of basic, casual research into what type of bandwagon you’re thoughtlessly jumping on.
Not sure of the relevance to my argument.
Members of Green Peace supported, and still support, global warming, even though they don’t know that’s what they’re doing.
From your story the communities were the ones supporting it. Maybe Green Peace just wanted them to die out?
Fuck you man
Your kids are Monday morning quarterbacking. And your grandkids will be tearing you a new butthole for all the stuff you’re not fixing right now.
It’s not about what they failed to fix, it’s about what they actively fucked up.
As a voting block, their demographic consistently did the opposite of “Plant trees under which shade you will never sit.” At every turn they sacrificed their children’s future for short term profit.
Boomers deserve their selfish reputation.
It’s grandma’s fault IF she voted for climate unfriendly folks. Else, this is just edgy genz ageism. Ageism isn’t cool.
Who do you think owns those companies doing all the climate unfriendly things?
If you see the likes of BlackRock or Vanguard in the list, that’s mostly retirement funds, meaning it’s mostly old people retiring off those companies. Grandma is an Exxon-Mobil shareholder and a Meta shareholder and absolutely invested in the AI industry through her nvidia holdings. She just doesn’t know any of it, but all of it is being done for her benefit as part of the ownership class.
People over 55 own 73% of all the assets in the US.
My parents and grandparents on both sides were/are straight ticket Republican. Told me climate change was a hoax.
Now parents tell me “well we figure oh well we will be dead by the time really bad stuff happens”.
This stereotype exists for a fucking reason.
*most stereo types exist for a reason, good and bad. Regardless of whether you like it or not.
Hmmm. Not this boomer. Guess I am anecdotal. As long as we keep the attitude that it’s the boomers and not the billionaires, we are royally fucked. But hey you do you.
Millennial and genz ageism. Which makes me wonder what’ll happen when the last GenXer dies, millennials are still whining about student loans and not being able to afford a house
Plot twist, none of them actually do anything about climate change
So are boomers responsible for everything that’s wrong in the world now or just climate change?
Rich boomers are. Like actually rich.
So most of them, relative to younger people. Median boomer in the US is almost a millionaire and boomers collectively own 52% of the US. People over 55 own 73%. Majority of them benefit from whatever publicly traded corpos do because they have retirement funds.
And the poor boomers that vote conservative because they believe in hierarchies, like my parents. The ones that vote for wars and defunding education and are pro corporations.
No, its clearly the kids who are at fault… if they were born 50 years sooner they coulda fixed it
Don’t panic yet. Give corporations and their store-bought politicians time to convince us it’s normal.
Ah yes, I remember when my grandmother spent a century undermining scientific research on climate change through a massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests
No way, me too!
Did your Grandma vote for and openly support the massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests?
If so, then yes she is also at fault for the reason it isn’t Cold in October anymore.
My grandma was not allowed to vote in the Chinese nor Indian elections.
Speak for yourself I’m wrapped in my blanket, but thats because of massive draft in my apt
Oh another thing my grandmother is personally responsible for is fomenting working class infighting to keep people squabbling and not looking upwards at the people who are the real cause of problems. That was also her specifically.
Oh you don’t need to throw the class problem at me. I’m very well aware, but it’s cute you think this is an attack on your Me-ma’s cookies while the scary black man has a cookie too.
But your grandma, you, and everyone reading this comment has a choice when it comes to democracy. You can vote for people to represent you who support your values, support your beliefs, and allow you to hold them accountable if they don’t do as their “employers” voted them to do. Voting for someone is a show of personal value. If you vote for a candidate who is anti-climate change, you are against the idea of climate change. I am married to a trans person and if I ever voted for someone who wanted to eliminate “transgenderism”, I’d be voting to kill my partner, thus not supporting their right to exist even though I’m married to them.
Are there much larger contributors to climate pollution that we should worry about? Yes.
Are there billionaires that are the cause of the majority of the issues in the world? Yes.
Should we fucking do something about that? Yes.
But until you or I are willing to put bullets through brains and have a The Purge event for billionaires, we need to vote for people who will actually do something about the contributors to pollution, or to reign in the amount of money billionaires are able to siphon from the rest of us. And that starts by voting for people at regional and city levels, and go from there.
Sorry, I believe your vote is a representation of you as a person. But that vote could be at the ballot box, or a college campus in Orem, Utah in September of 2025.
“Entirely”
The Trump administration officially eliminated the 2009 EPA “endangerment finding,” stripping the federal government of its legal authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.The administration rolled back regulatory requirements for automakers, loosening curbs on gasoline-powered vehicle pollution. Trump has heavily promoted a “drill, baby, drill” energy agenda, easing limits on industrial pollutants and attempting to keep aging fossil-fuel infrastructure online. He routinely mocks climate science on social media, frequently pointing to severe winter weather or downward revisions in worst-case climate projections as supposed evidence against global heating.The most uneducated buffoon in history stands at a podium, bloated with self-importance, lips pursed like a carnival barker ready to sell turd milk to the unsuspecting. He grins a grotesque smirk stretched across his face as he scrawls his name onto a hollow decree, a sham celebration of the dismantling of knowledge itself. The Department of Education falls, not with a bang, but with wheezing verbs, suffocated under the weight of his own staggering ignorance. Surrounding him are the usual suspects: cowards in expensive suits, servile sycophants clapping like trained seals, and racist opportunistic ghouls picking clean the bones of democracy. Liars, fools, and thieves all parasites fattening themselves on the hardships of the many. They stand in rigid formation, dead-eyed and soulless, their allegiance sworn not to country, not to principle, but to power, and the dark, festering rot that clings to it. And there he is the convicted wrong, the living embodiment of septic tank spew, his voice a noxious fog of grift and grievance. He lectures the world on right and wrong, irony clawing at the walls, desperate to escape the grotesque theatre of his moral void. The stomach turns, the air curdles, and for a moment, history itself recoils watching, in horror, as the great American experiment teeters on the precipice, led by a man who couldn’t spell “precipice” if his life depended on it.
I don’t hate 'Muricans (with about a 60% notable exception for those who voted orange, or sat idly by)
But I HATE 'Murica
It has always been a shitty, cruel, vulgar place
The physical country itself is actually beautiful, aside from the urban dystopias.
Yeah, I go out and see the natural wonders when I’m there as much as I can
I don’t understand why people think that October is supposed to be a cold month, it’s never been a cold month, it’s not until late October the leaves start turning brown. The coldest months are January and February.
I blame Charles Dickens, he was the one that decided it had to snow in December, even though it never does.
Blame Christmas. It’s romanticized as “White Christmas”.
I lived in SoCal for 15 years and it was always hot the first couple weeks of October. Not usually this hot but hot. Super El Niño I’m sure is helping with that
Yeah given the fact that last time this happened it generated hurricanes in parts of the world that don’t normally get hurricanes, I’m going to go ahead and say that we could probably not include this year in the climate change models.
It does no one any benefit at all to muddy the waters, and it just gives the climate change denyers some ammunition.
No it isn’t. It’s a complex issue with enough blame to spread around. Most of the fault lies with the fossil fuel companies that covered up climate change, lied for decades and bought the politicians.
Fossil fuels, petrochemical refining and usage, industrialized meat “farming,” clothing/fast fashion, cement.
Tbf they voted for them
If you can vote for politician A and politician B, and both of them are bought by the fossil fuel companies, to what extent are you to blame?
And if citizens can be held accountable for the actions and choices that their goverment has made, even if they have no real say in them, and that government has committed war crime after war crime abroad, killing literal millions, does that mean citizens are a legitimate target for retaliatory attacks? Was the Dresden firebombing justified? Was 9/11 justified? Were the atomic bombs dropped on Japan justified?
Democrats have a better record on climate change than Republicans do
Only so much as was necessary to keep the carrot on the stick
Sure, but making it worse at a slightly slower rate is still making it worse. The most recent democratic presidential candidate was pro fracking.
Not everyone is an American
I figured people could extrapolate, but here goes for your benefit:
If you can vote for politicians P1 through PN where N is an integer greater than or equal to 1, and all of them are bought by the fossil fuel companies, to what extent are you to blame?
Some nations are less corrupt, and even actively have more renewables than any other source of fuel and energy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_renewable_electricity_production
Just cause USA is #115 on percentage of energy that’s renewable energy doesn’t mean those 114 other countries magically don’t exist
So with your calculation, N=0 in for example Iceland
That only holds true for the US. Plenty of choice where I grew up.
Your options are much greater than voting for politician A or politician B
Dont let your political program be handed down to you.
I was responding to
Tbf they voted for them
hence my focus on voting, because that’s what he was talking about. But also your broader comment is not a good argument for ageism. Plenty of members of the boomer generation exercised other political options than voting. They were not successful, but many of them did try. At any rate, blaming an entire generation for policy failures is about as valid as blaming Trump’s policy failures on folks who voted for Harris.
Sure, but I dont think they as a generation did nearly enough regarding climate change specifically.
And as far as voting goes, they pretty regularly made up the core voter base of administrations which denied or ignored climate change
Have you considered directing your ire at the folks who’ve bought our politicians to advocate for pro-fossil fuel policies, and the folks who bought our media to popularize pro-fossil fuel positions instead of at their victims?
Yes. They suck too. But they suck as a rule, whereas boomers only suck in general.
It easy always blaming the baby boomers and Gen X. But the millenials and Gen Z are nearly just as cupable of global warming.
The amount of time we spend on the internet and the wastefull use of products contribute a lot to global warming.
Buddy, global warming was locked in before gen Z could vote. This is a bonkers take
Stupid blaming the individual instead of holding the corporations accountable.
and politicians
and voters
and people who don’t vote
cycle. public transport. stop eating meat. fly less.
you are somewhat responsible if you don’t boycott that which you can.
Basically my point, we are also to blame. Most of us could so a whole lot more for the environment. The acceleration of global warming (digital made a terrible situation exponationaly bad) started in the digital era and millenials/gen z are by far the biggest consumers of digital products.
We are also the biggest consumers of fast fashion although a certain subset of gen z started thrifting which is a really good development.
I may be just among the poors but I don’t know a single millennial who can afford fair-trade, cruelty free, etc. clothing. Or really anything.
Thrifting enshittified a decade ago. Walmart has more affordable clothing than any thrift shop in my area 🤷♀️
We poors are certainly killing the planet - for fun.
It’s scary and yet many people refuse to believe in climate change. I’ve had argument with a denier on social media. I can tell that the person is not being deliberately malicious, because he did let up on some points, but he’s the type to kick the can down the road and hopelessly hoping to deal with the problem later on.
Here they claim it as a “natural process”. Good ol denial
Marketing gimmick so the evils can keep on eviling
It is a natural process as humans are natural.
And we are releasing natural stuff that is accelerating the change of the climate.
It’s much easier to pretend humans aren’t impacting it if people are allowed paint humans actions as outside nature. We are a huge part of nature, there’s 6 billion of us.
You mean 8 billion?
Ah you don’t know about that some of us are changelings
Fair enough
My dad believes in this
it reminds me of this quote from game of thrones, is not the same thing, but it gives the same vibe about the scope of people’s thinking and worries: “The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are.”
I know scientifically minded people who view it both as ‘hysteria,’ and for what remains, something that geoengineering can solve in the future.
In other words, look up the WSJ article advocating for fossil fuel production maximization as a net economic optimization in the long term, basically ‘better to maximize efficiency and minimize suffering now, to better geoengineer solutions in the future.’
…I read geoengineering papers. They are horrific. As in “our state-of-the-art-solution would… pour acid rain over the ice caps. And it’s still economically unfeasible, but less unfeasible. And maybe it will blunt things some?”
I’m offended such arguments are being presented.
But I can see right where those opinions come from, as with every twist of climate change denialism.
The environmental conspiracists are right. It really is Big Oil and such groups, from what I can see.
I’ve been the weird environmentally conscious kid for more than 30 years. People’s attitudes haven’t changed. The arguments haven’t changed. You’ll still find people who immediately get excited about global warming, because they like warm weather.
Some people are just astonishingly stupid, and yet, they walk around and talk and have jobs and can appear to be normal. That’s because they are normal. It is normal to be stupid.
