This meme is poorly worded. It says that it’s grandma’s fault that October used to be cold. It should say that it’s Grandma’s fault that October is no longer cold.
you guys are seriously gonna throw g-maw under the bus before you adopt systemic criticisms
Class warfare? Naaah
Generational warfare!!! WOOOH!!!
Meh. Can we have the same meme but with old rich men?
If you want to represent the generations that fucked the climate up for gain, let’s pick folks who look a bit more like those who did.
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It baffels me how many here seem to think that climate change is a billionaire problem. Are you really serious about this? (genuine question)
What makes you think that way? Its so obviously not true.
Look around you. Imagine you can see CO2. Coming out of the cars around you, the airplanes overhead, trucks and cargo ships delivering your consumer goods, tractors and harvesters on the nearby fields. Are the cars Ferrairs? The planes private jets? The trucks and cargo ships transporting exquisite furniture? The farmers producing kobe beef?
Must be comfortable in your world…
I’m sorry, who has the hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on buying elections, lobbying politician, and putting out propaganda to make sure that policies continue to favor consumption of fossil fuels, use of cars, lax environmental regulations for businesses, wars, and growth at any cost oriented consumption?
Is it the people driving in the cars on their way to work because they can’t afford to live close to where they work and there’s no adequate public transportation to get there? Last I checked it wasn’t.
People do have a responsibility to organize for collective action, but simply blaming them for living in the environment they were born into is missing the point on both moral culpability and practical action.
No need to be sorry, i’m here to discuss, thank you for the reply :)
So you see the billionaire problem as billionaries using their power to prevent necessary action. Ok, i agree that this is part of the problem.
But the “peope are selfish idiots” part is much larger.
The propaganda works because it is what people want to hear. And they want to hear that [climate change does not exist/wont be that bad/wont be worse than not burning fossils/but china/can not be stopped anyway] because they then dont have to change their lifestyle. And, at least in my bubble, “but the billionaires” (burning a lot more fuel with their yachts and private jets) or “but then only the rich can affort it” is another of these excuses.
I’m more charitable in my interpretation of the average human.
There’s a difference between being greedy or selfish and taking the path of least resistance out of necessity.
As far as being “idiots,” I just want people to cut people some slack. It can be easy to despair about all the things people don’t know or are misinformed on, but take a step back and look at how big and complicated the modern world is. There is a massive amount of knowledge that makes up our society, more that any individual can ever personally know. So instead we build a kind of collective knowledge through our relationships with one another. You might not have gone to the moon, but someone else did, and they shared their experiences with the rest of us. Most of the people involved in the supply chain needed to build a computer almost certainly don’t know how a computer works or how to design and build one from scratch, but that’s ok because through everyone doing their specific part of the process, it still gets made and we get to use it.
However, a critical component I think people forget about this collective knowledge is trust. You need some reason to trust that the information someone else has given you is accurate or that the product someone else made for you works. Without the tools and expertise, you have no way to personally verify every claim made, so you must decide whether or not to believe the source of the claim.
There are all sorts of reasons that you might form such an information trust relationship with another, some more valid than others. You may know the person personally and believe they wouldn’t lie to you, but they may also be wrong. You may know that the person is accredited by some reputable institution, but that just kicks the can down the road to whether or not you can trust the institution. Ultimately this isn’t about people being stupid or uneducated, it’s about how people choose to trust various sources. What makes one more valid than the other?
One way to somewhat break out of this issue is to build up a foundation of core knowledge through education that can act as a framework for evaluating how reasonable claims are, even if you don’t have specific knowledge about them. You might not know the details of how someone’s supposed perpetual motion machine works, but if you know the basic physics rules about energy, you’d know such a thing is impossible. But the problem with this is that it once again kicks the can down the road back to how you originally learned the information that goes into your framework. If you start with incorrect information, you will not be able to properly evaluate later claims. For example, if you grew up religious and were taught that god created the universe and then someone comes along and tells you that actually there was a big bang that created the universe and that evolution is responsible for the development of life, then those claims would seem absurd to you. I wouldn’t call you inherently stupid for rejecting those ideas based on your prior incorrect understanding. It’s incumbent upon us to find ways to build that trust such that we can educate you in the correct information.
When it comes to climate change, there are various sources of information that also overlap with each other. Scientists, news media, governments, NGOs, corporations, etc. They all have different expertise and motivations. They all use different methods to communicate with others and build trust. It may seem obvious that the output of the scientific community should be relatively trustworthy if you have previously learned the processes involved in generating scientific consensus, but if you aren’t familiar, you might not get why one scientist says this, but these other scientists say this. If you thought you could trust your gov or news outlets, then them telling you climate change isn’t real seems trustworthy. It may seem obvious why corporations can’t be trusted to someone who is familiar with how capitalism works, but if you don’t have a firm understanding on that and say, grew up in a country that absolutely idolizes businesses and business people, then you might look at these successful companies/CEOs and think that they must know what they’re talking about.
There’s a reason the right is constantly attacking education. There’s a reason why businesses spend tons of money on advertising, lobbying, etc. They know what they need to do to keep people from agreeing with each other on correct information. You can lament that people are led astray by them, but it clearly isn’t a trivial endeavor.
The point is, throwing your hands up in the air and saying that people are just “selfish idiots” is little more than doomer shit. If that’s true then there is genuinely no hope. But if you understand the systems and dynamics at play in producing the world we see, you can better work to change it. How do we do that? Fuck if I know, but it’s what we have to figure out and do.
Thanks for the lengthy reply. What worries me is not that people are not educated enough and use their own circle of trust to build their opinion. If it would be the case it could be solved with discussions, education and facts.
Before the internet people (including academics) were aware what they had no idea about almost everything except their own field. Can you imagine John Doe talking about virology or climate dynamics in a bar in 1990? People would have had a good laugh about him. Today people think they are competent in a field after watching a few ragebait videos. The other thing is that once they picked a team they stick to it, admitting they were wrong is out of the question. If you correct them with facts it is considered arrogant. They are unable to keep a consistent standpoint even between single questions of a discussion. For example if they start with “climate change does not exist” and you then show them a temperature chart of the last centuries they immediately switch to “yeah, but it is not human made”. After asking where the carbon in the oil goes after oxidizing its “ok its human made but a few degrees wont be a problem” and so on.
I don’t see how this can be countered anytime soon. Even the last summer here in Europe didn’t change much. People still vote the same parties. That is idiotic. At least believe your own eyes dammit…
My hope is that the younger generations will not give in to the same bullshit. Unfortunately, until they are the majority we’re already in deep shit territory.
I hope i’m wrong.
No war but the class war.
You’re just working for the billionaires when you post divisive nonsense like this.
People over 55 own 73% of the US, heavily outweighing billionaires. Boomers alone outweigh billionaires assets by nearly 10x. Any time you see BlackRock, Vanguard, etc as major shareholders of a company, that means it’s mostly boomers’ 401ks and pension funds. Billionaires themselves are mostly old so really they’re just the top of the iceberg of a much larger problem.
Gen X might be the last generation to retire in the US, for millennials it’s starting to look unlikely. There just aren’t enough people to exploit anymore. Ideally everyone should have 3 kids, but as an interim solution you can start importing workers from 3rd world countries.
Other western countries may not have it as bad with the imbalance, but most are growing worse over time.
True, but it is hard to ignore that the a certain class seems to be centralized/condensed to one generation specifically. And that generation also consistently and energetically supports them to the day they die.
I don’t think members of Green Peace switched to supporting it.
Hello there.
Members of Green Peace protested the use of seal fur and meat, the act of “seal clubbing” and the sale of seal products. This was one of the main sustainable economies in the North. As a result, the communities living there were forced to engage in oil drilling and seismic testing in order to earn money. Still, the fact that seal products are no longer profitable have plunged these indigenous and rural populations into poverty.
The moral of this story is when you see some sort of big moral outrage about something, whether the moral outrage is coming form the left, right, or middle, whether it’s “save the animals,” “save the children,” “save religion,” whatever, you need to do some sort of basic, casual research into what type of bandwagon you’re thoughtlessly jumping on.
They also spread a lot of FUD about nuclear energy during a time when it would have made a significant difference in slowing climate change
Maybe if nuclear power plants didn’t meltdown sometimes and render dozens of square miles uninhabitable to human life by scales measured in geologic time then Greenpeace would support them.
Yeah, the saying at the time was “A supermodel in Hollywood bats her eyelashes and a village loses their jobs.”
Not sure of the relevance to my argument.
Members of Green Peace supported, and still support, global warming, even though they don’t know that’s what they’re doing.
From your story the communities were the ones supporting it. Maybe Green Peace just wanted them to die out?
Fuck you man
Your kids are Monday morning quarterbacking. And your grandkids will be tearing you a new butthole for all the stuff you’re not fixing right now.
It’s not about what they failed to fix, it’s about what they actively fucked up.
As a voting block, their demographic consistently did the opposite of “Plant trees under which shade you will never sit.” At every turn they sacrificed their children’s future for short term profit.
Boomers deserve their selfish reputation.
Boomers deserve their selfish reputation.
You’ll deserve it too in 2076. You’re doing something wrong. I know this because you’re a human being.
It’s grandma’s fault IF she voted for climate unfriendly folks. Else, this is just edgy genz ageism. Ageism isn’t cool.
Who do you think owns those companies doing all the climate unfriendly things?
If you see the likes of BlackRock or Vanguard in the list, that’s mostly retirement funds, meaning it’s mostly old people retiring off those companies. Grandma is an Exxon-Mobil shareholder and a Meta shareholder and absolutely invested in the AI industry through her nvidia holdings. She just doesn’t know any of it, but all of it is being done for her benefit as part of the ownership class.
People over 55 own 73% of all the assets in the US.
My parents and grandparents on both sides were/are straight ticket Republican. Told me climate change was a hoax.
Now parents tell me “well we figure oh well we will be dead by the time really bad stuff happens”.
This stereotype exists for a fucking reason.
*most stereo types exist for a reason, good and bad. Regardless of whether you like it or not.
Hmmm. Not this boomer. Guess I am anecdotal. As long as we keep the attitude that it’s the boomers and not the billionaires, we are royally fucked. But hey you do you.
Go ahead and invalidate my lived experience, you do you.
I do think the boomer politicians all need to go, used to think Bernie was ok but he fell for the LLM mania. They are either evil cadavers or timid water carriers for billionaires.
Absolutely no argument there. The boomer politicians and the very rich boomers are very much the same. I also don’t like that boomers don’t want to learn anything new, it’s really stupid and very detrimental.
Millennial and genz ageism. Which makes me wonder what’ll happen when the last GenXer dies, millennials are still whining about student loans and not being able to afford a house
Plot twist, none of them actually do anything about climate change
So are boomers responsible for everything that’s wrong in the world now or just climate change?
Rich boomers are. Like actually rich.
So most of them, relative to younger people. Median boomer in the US is almost a millionaire and boomers collectively own 52% of the US. People over 55 own 73%. Majority of them benefit from whatever publicly traded corpos do because they have retirement funds.
And the poor boomers that vote conservative because they believe in hierarchies, like my parents. The ones that vote for wars and defunding education and are pro corporations.
No, its clearly the kids who are at fault… if they were born 50 years sooner they coulda fixed it
Don’t panic yet. Give corporations and their store-bought politicians time to convince us it’s normal.
Ah yes, I remember when my grandmother spent a century undermining scientific research on climate change through a massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests
No way, me too!
Damn, can’t believe those boomers and the way they’re abusing the means of production consciously and not as victims of propaganda like the rest of the working class!
I know, cant look grandma the same any more.
I mean, shes dead, but the point still stands.
Did your Grandma vote for and openly support the massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests?
If so, then yes she is also at fault for the reason it isn’t Cold in October anymore.
My grandma was not allowed to vote in the Chinese nor Indian elections.
Speak for yourself I’m wrapped in my blanket, but thats because of massive draft in my apt
Oh another thing my grandmother is personally responsible for is fomenting working class infighting to keep people squabbling and not looking upwards at the people who are the real cause of problems. That was also her specifically.
Oh you don’t need to throw the class problem at me. I’m very well aware, but it’s cute you think this is an attack on your Me-ma’s cookies while the scary black man has a cookie too.
But your grandma, you, and everyone reading this comment has a choice when it comes to democracy. You can vote for people to represent you who support your values, support your beliefs, and allow you to hold them accountable if they don’t do as their “employers” voted them to do. Voting for someone is a show of personal value. If you vote for a candidate who is anti-climate change, you are against the idea of climate change. I am married to a trans person and if I ever voted for someone who wanted to eliminate “transgenderism”, I’d be voting to kill my partner, thus not supporting their right to exist even though I’m married to them.
Are there much larger contributors to climate pollution that we should worry about? Yes.
Are there billionaires that are the cause of the majority of the issues in the world? Yes.
Should we fucking do something about that? Yes.
But until you or I are willing to put bullets through brains and have a The Purge event for billionaires, we need to vote for people who will actually do something about the contributors to pollution, or to reign in the amount of money billionaires are able to siphon from the rest of us. And that starts by voting for people at regional and city levels, and go from there.
Sorry, I believe your vote is a representation of you as a person. But that vote could be at the ballot box, or a college campus in Orem, Utah in September of 2025.
To be fair to the granny, usually not even her fault, but some corpo bastard that she didn’t have the power or will to fight against
“Entirely”
The Trump administration officially eliminated the 2009 EPA “endangerment finding,” stripping the federal government of its legal authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.The administration rolled back regulatory requirements for automakers, loosening curbs on gasoline-powered vehicle pollution. Trump has heavily promoted a “drill, baby, drill” energy agenda, easing limits on industrial pollutants and attempting to keep aging fossil-fuel infrastructure online. He routinely mocks climate science on social media, frequently pointing to severe winter weather or downward revisions in worst-case climate projections as supposed evidence against global heating.The most uneducated buffoon in history stands at a podium, bloated with self-importance, lips pursed like a carnival barker ready to sell turd milk to the unsuspecting. He grins a grotesque smirk stretched across his face as he scrawls his name onto a hollow decree, a sham celebration of the dismantling of knowledge itself. The Department of Education falls, not with a bang, but with wheezing verbs, suffocated under the weight of his own staggering ignorance. Surrounding him are the usual suspects: cowards in expensive suits, servile sycophants clapping like trained seals, and racist opportunistic ghouls picking clean the bones of democracy. Liars, fools, and thieves all parasites fattening themselves on the hardships of the many. They stand in rigid formation, dead-eyed and soulless, their allegiance sworn not to country, not to principle, but to power, and the dark, festering rot that clings to it. And there he is the convicted wrong, the living embodiment of septic tank spew, his voice a noxious fog of grift and grievance. He lectures the world on right and wrong, irony clawing at the walls, desperate to escape the grotesque theatre of his moral void. The stomach turns, the air curdles, and for a moment, history itself recoils watching, in horror, as the great American experiment teeters on the precipice, led by a man who couldn’t spell “precipice” if his life depended on it.
I don’t hate 'Muricans (with about a 60% notable exception for those who voted orange, or sat idly by)
But I HATE 'Murica
It has always been a shitty, cruel, vulgar place
The physical country itself is actually beautiful, aside from the urban dystopias.
Yeah, I go out and see the natural wonders when I’m there as much as I can
I don’t understand why people think that October is supposed to be a cold month, it’s never been a cold month, it’s not until late October the leaves start turning brown. The coldest months are January and February.
I blame Charles Dickens, he was the one that decided it had to snow in December, even though it never does.
Blame Christmas. It’s romanticized as “White Christmas”.
I lived in SoCal for 15 years and it was always hot the first couple weeks of October. Not usually this hot but hot. Super El Niño I’m sure is helping with that
Yeah given the fact that last time this happened it generated hurricanes in parts of the world that don’t normally get hurricanes, I’m going to go ahead and say that we could probably not include this year in the climate change models.
It does no one any benefit at all to muddy the waters, and it just gives the climate change denyers some ammunition.
