• Phantom_Feline17@lemmy.zip
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    Let no one tell you that blocking people means that you lost some arbitrary debate with some idiot online. I have proudly blocked my fair share of idiots and racists on all social media platforms (not before insulting them of course).

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      Any argument I’ve ever had online amounted to little in not nothing productive. If you think me blocking someone means I lost an arbitrary argument with a stranger online, you can think that all you want, I’m moving onto something else with my time.

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    Hence:

    X officially changes block function

    https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/nation-world/x-block-changes-twitter/507-931ed7fc-cacd-4550-b850-b5d235533227

    Here’s a fun new one, no longer able to block accounts on pages. Thanks, Meta

    https://www.reddit.com/r/facebook/comments/1ps4r5d/heres_a_fun_new_one_no_longer_able_to_block/

    Under the new system it actually lets the blocked person know they are blocked, which is horrible design because they now know that they need to use an alt to send you mean messages. Under the old system they don’t actually know if their messages are getting through, so it is better in that regard.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1st24au/reddits_new_block_feature_is_bizarrely_antisocial/

    Blocking someone reduces ragebait engagement, and they can’t have that, I guess…

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        Sure, until they change their block function as well. Changing the rules to something that is objectively less safe is a bad thing, even if people are free to leave.

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      yeah, and actually all those platforms have been shown on different opportunities to have a bot problem and it’s still unaddressed because it’s basically a conflict of interests to them (numbers go up : stakeholders go happy.) That’s basically how I’ve been drown to Lemmy (and before, other ‘niche’ forums, irc channels, etc.)

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      The first, most central and foundational principle of international diplomacy and conflict resolution is that you must always afford both sides a voice. If you don’t, there can be no communication, no progress, no way forward but conflict.

      Take a moment and try to feel what you feel when someone ignores you, as if you were thin air. Does that emotion lead somewhere good?

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      The fact that these platforms are trying to remove the block button is, to my mind, the strongest argument in favor of using it. These platforms are often mentally corrosive and will do everything in their power to ensure that you stay addicted, outraged, and idle. If you’re busy debating reactionary idiots, who these days might not even be real people, then that is sapping your mental energy away from more productive efforts in your party/union.

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        Maybe you are just afraid to have your preconceptions challenged and are here for a quick ego fix. Which is cool and all, we all doomscroll, we need that dopamine, but I don’t believe that is the purpose of a forum like this. Tik Tok might be a better match.

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    This is likewise how you cater your feed to be super comfortable so you see the same shit over and over and never grow or develop, and develop a rather strong intolerance of opinions other than your own.

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      Controversial opinion but seeing people repost the same tired ass arguments that we all get from the media actually isn’t that helpful to anything.

      Put another way, I already have to tolerate people who disagree with me all day every day at work and in daily life and so on. If I want to learn something I’ll go read an actual book on the subject. Subjecting myself to online shitposting may not be as helpful.

      There is nothing intellectually stunting about seeking community with people who are less argumentative, just like there is nothing enlightening about arguing with people who are posting in bad faith.

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    Meh. I’ve learned some interesting things from some people I found a bit annoying.

    It’s how I’ve come from card-carrying Republican to more or less fitting the label “progressive.”

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      I think this is for people who are less “annoying” and more “actively lying and being bad faith.” If someone says the elections were stolen, vaccines cause autism, and liberals hate America, I have other things I would rather do than investigate every one of the infinite conspiracy theories that I already know many others have debunked. It’s essentially an exercise in bad faith rhetoric at that point, which is just so incredibly boring. I’ll look into a few to see the patterns of how they lie, and then I’m good.

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        That’s a very heavy lifting interpretation of the comic. It literally says “I don’t like this thing”. Not “this person is arguing in bad faith”. This is how echo chambers form, and lemmy is a textbook example of one.

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          Well maybe bad faith wasn’t the right term, I think for me it’s just that if someone disagrees with me, my response is almost never even close to “I don’t like this,” unless they’re being hateful, unreasonably rude, saying proven false conspiracies, etc. Most of the time it’s “oh I think they don’t realize or haven’t considered xyz” and most of the time either they didn’t know or they correct me on something.

          For things I would block, if a racist maga person comes in and says something, I gain absolutely nothing from hearing how climate change is fake, how libs are the real racists, how we hate trump for no reason. It’s just negativity conspiracy brainrot and it’s a huge waste of my time. Same for posts about what random out of touch billionaire #45 said, same for people generally being mean or super negative towards others, that’s what I actually don’t like and am happier having blocked it to never see again.

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        I think this is for people who are less “annoying” and more “actively lying and being bad faith.”

        It can easily be co-opted by people willing to block either, as evidenced by the flame war in the comments here; the post suggests “I don’t like this” -> Block. I don’t like annoying people. I also don’t like people arguing in bad faith.

        This is further complicated by the fact that a lot of people misconstrue good faith arguments from very different points of view with bad faith arguments. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been labeled as someone arguing in bad faith because my view differed from theirs and I didn’t immediately reverse my stance when confronted, or someone simply can’t read very well (literacy rates being what they are these days).

        In part, this is because trolls sometimes like to be very subtle and drag a conversation out for 50 comments.

        In part, this is because people are dumb and/or paranoid and don’t understand that people with other apparent viewpoints might not be trolls.

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          Well it’s truly pretty rare that I block people, and maybe people do do that for things that they just disagree with, but I took it as the “block negative things out of your life.”

          Lots of crazy people on the internet, I just try to remember that sometimes I’m the one being smugly incorrect (and was that way up until like 25) so I can’t get too mad at other people for it. It’s why I heavily err on the side of caution, only when someone does the maga loop back to something they already agreed is false that I’m like ehhhh…

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    I like how many people interpret this as hiding from literally every problem that exists as opposed to not dealing with trolls or comics you don’t like.

    Context is a thing, you don’t have to apply everything as a universalism. That’s kind of a stupid thing to do.

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    I’ve been doing that more after joining the Fediverse but there are a handful of exceptions. One is an absolute nutter who spreads disinformation like it’s butter, and I can’t bring myself to block him because while I’ll never be able to make him stop, at least I can advise others that a) it is false information and b) he is immune to evidence. (It’s an unusual situation where what he says is pretty easy to refute). So I can also help people not to waste their time talking to him (or at least to go in forearmed)

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    Over the years I’ve realized the futility of engaging with idiocy online. It’s either trolls, bots, or morons, and I’m not convinced any interaction is worth it to me, all it does is piss me off, and I’m just enabling their stupid bullshit.

    So yeah, there’s a one strike and you’re out policy now. Does that increase my echo chamber, sure, but I’d rather interact with like minded people than piss away my own happiness by feeding bots, idiots, and trolls.

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        There’s 8 billion people, if you count bots there are probably 16 billion. I already have good people in my actual life, I can spare a few online souls lol

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      See this type of thing cost the left the election in 2024. It’s time to have better arguments to sway people’s minds, they still will vote afterall

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          You can’t “not play” politics. You may not want to fuck with politics, but politics will still be fucking you at the end of the day.

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        I tried for years man, but there’s so much bad faith, and I’m just one guy who just wants some peace now. I’ve been so fuckin angry my whole life, I just can’t anymore, the futility is draining

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        The thing that cost the the election was that overwhelmingly popular left policy was entirely unrepresented; the left screamed “Genocide, funding ICE, and doing fuckall to help people will decrease votes”, liberals said “What the fuck are you gonna do, not vote? We need to appeal to Moderate Republicans™ by talking about stopping migrant caravans, including republicans in your cabinet, banning trans people from sports, and The Most Lethal Military Ever!!”.

        And once again, basically no republicans voted democrat, while massively unpopular republican policies decreased turnout.

        It would be trivial to sway people with “Do you want free healthcare? Do you want to NOT resume a genocide? Do you want to keep federally legal pot? Do you want Trump to stay in prison?”

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        “the” election - as if there was only a single one? Lemmy.World where your account is housed is not located in the USA (while I do not know about programming.dev).

        Your argument would carry much more weight if you displayed the slightest sensitivity towards acknowledging that places outside of the USA so much as exist, and occasionally have elections.

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        You can’t really “change someone’s mind” unless they’re receptive to it. Quite often you’ll just end up in a situation where both parties are already hard set into their position; then they both enthusiastically repeat their best arguments and logic, while completely ignoring what the other person is saying. The hope is that there’s a magic combination of words that will trigger the incantation that changes the opposition’s mind. There usually isn’t.

        As a thought experiment, if you wouldn’t be willing to “change teams” no matter what the other person says, they probably feel the same way towards you.

        I have a family member who is an avid Pauline Hanson / Trump supporter; despite my reminders that those people hate me for who I am at a fundamental level and would see me suppressed, deported, begging on the streets, or worse. I’m “one of the good ones” you see, an exemption to patch over the cognitive dissonance. I would never support them, because it would be literal suicide to do so. I’m sure they have similarly strong opinions about my favourite progressive political parties.

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          Yeah, but you can at least make other people less prone to fall for their bullshit

          There are vulnerable people that might fall for their stupidity, so at least we must deny their nonsense so that fewer people fall for it.

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          I just read up on Hansen and she is concerning. My argument is look at Trump: he hasn’t done anything to trans people yet. The law still protects trans rights. Maybe that’s why your family is not worried

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            My argument is look at Trump: he hasn’t done anything to trans people yet.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14183

            Executive Order 14183, titled “Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness”, is an executive order issued by President Donald Trump on January 27, 2025, banning transgender people from military service.

            Sure, he has been side tracked into other heinous shit since then but kicking them out of the military was one of the first things he did in office.

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              If anything he is protecting trans if you think about it. What trans person wants to serve under Trump anyway? I wish I was exempt from the upcoming draft That’s coming

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          You can’t change someone’s mind without being willing to change your own. I agree there are red lines however, but we have to learn to deal with our families and the reality is that parts of them will be right leaning. When talking is possible, it is always valuable to share your perspective and listen to others’ (hate speech aside, no tolerance to that shit). This matters even if you don’t “change their minds” because it gives them feedback.

          Humans are social animals. I know that people clowning on Trumpo is having an effect on the magats, even if they’re too dense to express it properly. No longer is the perception of Trumpo as that of a “strong man” it is one of a “shitclown with dementia”. This is the result of a million opinions expressed socially. Even the magats know this, they are coping, but they know their idol is a shetty man-baby-boy with dementia.

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        I really don’t come to social media to change the world or people’s minds. I don’t know where this mentality of “you must change people’s minds” comes from. When was the last time some rando changed yours?

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          I get enlightened on Lemmy almost everyday as long as people have discussion with me. But that’s the thing people resort to band whenever you question their opinion. If you look at United States, Trump built a coalition of former Democrats to be on his cabinet. That’s one example of people changing their minds, why can’t we on the left do that? How the hell did he get RFK Jr on his cabinet?😂😂

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            We should be welcoming defectors from the right but the oligarchy has everything so influence operatized that we are led to loudly reject them so we remain unable to win.

            ie MTG. That said, everyone that’s been against the bad guys from the start should get at least one I told you so on a turncoat. But they should be welcomed and encouraged to defect even if you don’t trust their motives as being anything beyond self interest.

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              I can accept that MTG is no longer a trumper, I can’t accept most of her anything else. She is racist and destructive and trying to set up her next bid for election. I’m guessing the next VP?

              “This hateful, racists [sic], and demeaning rhetoric should not be tolerated. Ever. But they allow it and keep her in the inner circle,” Greene wrote Sunday in a social media post on X.

              Note: I included her anti-racism because it seems like she’s not used to it.

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                Idk what she has been up to lately, but here changes in stances, repudiating Israel, calling gaza a genocide, supporting universal healthcare, what else, opposing the Iran war, and what else, opposing geo engineering, (yes her base is opposed to it primarily because chemtrails but they are also against spraying sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere to blot out the sun.

                What else, there were others too. She’s further left than almost the entire democratic party at this point.

                I don’t think there is a single white democrat further left of her just given those positions. Bernie doesn’t count at this point. Name one, Ron Wyden? Supports sending weapons, incluing assault rifles to Israeli settlers in the west bank, just last summer.

                Idk, seems to me like Israel and their super fans are manipulating us, again.

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            RFK Jr. had like three percent in polls as an independent candidate, so he went to Democrats with an offer to withdraw and endorse them in exchange for a healthcare position. Sure enough, nobody there even listened to that constantly choking nut. So he went with the same offer to Trump, who decided “yeah, sure, who cares”. The gag, of course, is that there’s no guarantee that the three percent voted for Trump — they might’ve split evenly or all chosen Democrats.

            However, I’m not sure what about that roadkill-eating conspiracy-theorist brainworm is Democrat.

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              What Republicans did that camel even try to bring in? Oh yes the hated Cheney’s. That was so brilliant, bring the warmonger and evil cheney family to the Democrat ticket. Such brilliant very smart move 🤣🤣

              Do you see how stupid Kamala is? She is thinking of running again? The Democrats will probably make sure she does because they are controlled opposition

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            I’ll grant you that the links to content are informative but usually the comments are full of people missing the point, taking your comment out of context, etc. like this person that’s trying to act like I’m racist because I said it’s difficult to find vegan food in Mexico.

            I’d say 90% of comments are just a waste of time. I would never come here expecting positive engagement with others.

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              This is sad to hear, I remember the Golden age of Reddit was so open and you could have a discussion with everybody. I was hoping that Lemmy was stuck in that era, but it seems that down vaults aren’t enough for this website. They must resort to banning people with different opinions

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                Reddit hid downvoted comments, so if you said something truly contrary, you’d end up just getting buried.

                You can indeed have discussions here, but as soon as they start going off the rails, the chances of getting blocked are pretty high.

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          For me it’s more about sharing the many information, including the best insults to spread around about the ruling class, and networking, than changing peoples’ minds.

          If someone is being rude and I don’t think they are in good faith, or a serious person, I just ignore them. I don’t block or hit the ignore button, I just stop replying, usually don’t even read them.

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          Then why are you blessing us with your word-text? If it is not for the benefit of changing minds, is it so we can be informed about what Cousin Mose thinks? It’s very important to know this. Thank you!

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          My friend, USA is the only place that truly matters. We are the greatest empire that have ever and will ever exist on this planet. Only with the grace of the USA, does any other country continue to exist. We have won so many world wars. We have proven to be the best and every other country just follows in our wake. So when elections happen in the USA, that’s the elections everybody talks about throughout the whole world. When our trillionaires make decisions, the rest of the world listens. That’s true power, that’s something no other country will ever be able to experience.

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            Ah yes, the fascist country ruled by conmen and conspiracy theorists, where people struggle to pay rent, and avoid going to the doctor until it’s an emergency. Where people sign up to kill Arabs, just so they escape poverty. Truly the best.

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            Yet you left Reddit to come here.

            Do you think Lemmy was made in America?

            Please don’t answer, it was just offered to spark your thinking.

            Even though there is a point behind what you said there, behind THAT is an even bigger point: that pride comes before a fall.

            Don’t worry, you will come to understand… eventually, one way or another.

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              Well reddit is too corporate now, I like this place. Without the USA lemmy wouldn’t excist. Without the USA this whole computer thing wouldn’t excist. You should be thankful that all this exists and was given to you for free. #thankanAmerican should be a thing really

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                I never said that people shouldn’t be grateful for good things. I only said that the USA is not the literal exclusive nation in the entire world that had elections in 2024.

                And you said that you like this place, so I am offering a correction here if you choose to accept it: we can leave Reddit behind, all of it.

                I don’t like what Reddit turned me into. Argumentative, combative even, ready to unleash upon anyone who dared respond with the slightest criticism. Did you know that Reddit designed their systems to promote such rage-baiting? You, like literally all of us here, feel into their trap. But you can breathe the free air now.

                If you want.

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    Dont you think this is way easier then continously posting bi-weekly+ cringe feudposts in hopes to influence your particular lemmy instance admins to defederate people you dont like. Not just for you, but for everyone else.

    Way faster to just block the person/instance yourself and let the other adults pick what they view themselves. Way easier. Way less cringe.

    I am happy you are taking agency in what you view on the internet stranger. We are stronger federated together, even if we wish to live our lives in different ways.

    Peace.

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      Maybe, but i dont care anymore.

      The internet got so ass overall. There is so much noise. There are just a few tolerable places left. I wont waste my precious time with shit i dont like or even worse which makes me angry. The internet supposed to be my distraction from how shitty my job is and my frustrations with all the idiots i have to encounter on a daily basis. Without block/allow lists this just isnt possible for me anymore for years.

      And yeah sometimes its nothing big or important. I dont like the anime community in the internet at large. No special reason. I just dont like them. So i blocked everything i could so that stuff just never appears on my feed. Even though i enjoy a little anime in my live. As in japanese animated cartoons. Theres good stuff. But tbh it isnt even just anime. I pretty much stopped interacting with any specific fandom. And if i’m starting to see too many rick and morty, star wars, trek[…] whatever memes i’m going to block them as well. Its my feed.

      IMHO thats way more valid than having some shitty engagement algo dictate what i see. I preselected my content already by beeing on the fediverse and then i’ve chosen my subs for communities. Thats already a big/tiny(?) ass echo chamber. Why not block shit i just dont like?

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    Debating with people in general is something I’ve found to be stupid and pointless as I’ve gotten older, even if they’re not trolls. I don’t even like watching videos of others debating. People come out the other end more entrenched than they were before. As for trolls, I don’t engage at all. My echo chamber is devoid of righties and nothing of value was lost.

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      debating people is great when they want to actually debate.

      they don’t thought, anymore. especially online. and on campuses, student activists try to shut down debates rather than attended them and learn something.

      people don’t believe in the principle of charity anymore either. you can’t have debate or education without the principle of charity… otherwise it’s just a trying to beat down the opposite side.

      not to mention most popular ‘debate’ is not real debate, it’s people being ignorant assholes and doubling-down on it and people viewing that as ‘confidence’

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        I think debates about things in the science and similar subjects can be interesting. It has to be a scenario where everyone means well and is passionate about the subject matter. But if it’s some echo chamber right-wing “debate” where it’s a guy in a suit with a bunch of puppets nodding along, there’s no value to be had. I’ve had friends send me those Jubilee videos and I don’t want to watch those ever, regardless of their political leanings. Propaganda in the US has broken people though and they think everything should have some opportunity to one-up the perceived competition. That kind of thing is antithetical to progress and education, and is self-serving nonsense.

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          cool, that’s how I see pretty much all ‘left-wing’ debate too. Propaganda and insanity, with no basis in the complexities of the real world.

          A huge chunk of ‘progressives’ are anti-progress and seem to believe resources are infinite and their theories are flawless and perfect… almost as if they are just as stupid and propagandized as the people they hate on the right…

          I wanted to be an educator myself, professionally, but I left because I saw how delusional leftist it was becoming and how it was shooting itself in the foot, always focusing on feelings and praising ignorance as ideology rather than seeking knowledge and leaving the ideology outside of the classroom.

          You can’t have education and debate and knowledge if your priority is pushing ideology, the ideology is supposed to be subservient to those things, not the other way around. But that’s not how people in educational spaces think anymore, many are just ideologues who want to push out anyone who isn’t as extremist as they are. Whether it be on the right or the left.

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            No one is immune from propaganda, but I separate out progressive and leftist movements. Liberalism enables anti-progressive ideas, while identifying as the greater good. While leftist movements advocate for things like equal rights and breaking free from the chains of Zionist enablement. The problem I have with a lot of leftist echo chamber content is that it’s a lot of punching down at liberals that are often open to leftist ideas and movements, which is counterproductive to educating and welcoming them. Fred Hampton saw this and that’s why he was never hateful or inflammatory towards fellow working class people. He correctly identified that all working class are in the same boat, even if they’ve been divided up by differing propagandist camps.

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              your entire comment here is nothing but propaganda to me. I see a bunch of bullshit terms and name drops and nothing of substance other than rhetorical flourishes. word salad that sounds good but is information junk food.

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                That’s your take and that’s fine. But there’s educational takeaways from the actions of others. Hence the mention of Fred Hampton—a single name drop coupled with reasoning. If you think working towards a unified working class is “bullshit”, I don’t really have anything else to contribute. Take it or leave it, I don’t really care. I’d say I sound less propagandist than some folks do that swallow communism/socialism and its figures wholesale without having an original interpretation or nuance.

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                  where is this ‘unified working class’ my friend?

                  would you care to define it with specific numbers?

                  because where i live multi-millionaires from generations of inherited wealth think they are ‘working class’

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        Thank you! Discussing ideas is amazing, even with people who disagree with you.

        It can help both sides learn so much and acquire perspective.

        What people think debates are is shaped a lot by how youtube and politicians portray them (and of course, in that format, it’s a fallacy free-for-all).

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          Thank you! Discussing ideas is amazing, even with people who disagree with you.

          Yes, but for a lot of the users here, it makes you EVIL.

          Like, I rented out a bedroom in my condo for a few years, according to the average lemmy poster this makes me as morally repugnant as a death camp administrator… when personally I wouldn’t even consider myself a ‘landlord’.

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            There are people calling for your literal and actual death, for the crime of… having a bank account?

            They want us all dead. Or rather, the civilization we are in, and aren’t too particular about how many others need to die to make it happen.

            This btw paves the way for all humanity to become “pure” communists - just exactly and precisely like North Korea, Russia, and China “are”.

            Once you realize that the principle I am speak of is identical to that of MAGA, using Alternative Facts but just swapping out the rhetoric to be on the left side, you will understand so much better, that you are never going to convince them of anything, bc their goal is not to be correct and instead to simply WIN.

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              i’ve been told i’m a evil terrible dipshit since i was in kindergarten. Got sent to the principles office many times for asking too many questions even as a small child. my own parents would scream at me to stop asking questions and shut up and just repeat what the teacher told me and stop making them ‘uncomfortable’ by challenging their ignorance.

              Most folks just want you to shut up and agree with them and tell them how genius they are, and how The Office is the BEST TELEVISION SHOW EVER MADE. The second you say you don’t really like the Office you’re a Terrible Person.

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                  it’s not a shame. it’s what got me into Harvard when everyone told me I would never be admitted and I should go dipshit state u like the rest of my peers. most of whom failed out of dipshit state u anyway.

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      People never engage in honest discussions, man. They just vomit word salad and claim you’re stupid if you can’t find the argument in the haystack.

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        Reddit was horrible for that. I think there’s less trolling here, but still the occasional mental issue.

        Some people are just passionate. Some people will write a manifesto in response to one line of text and dictate what you meant by it.

        🎵 Gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em 🎶

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        They used to. Back in ye olden days.

        It does happen here on occasion. I’ve witnessed it.

        Of course… the mods usually ban people for having honest discussions because it makes other users uncomfortable. The word-salad users don’t like honest discussion because it is scary to them and hurts them. So it must be banned.

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      meanwhile the righties have also built their echo chamber devoid of uncomfortable discussions also. and the polarization continues to get deeper, dehumanization of ‘the others’ and wars become a common idea.

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        Those groups are filled with anti-trans, pro-corporate nonsense. I don’t even know what the point is, other than to make themselves feel bigger when the reality is that they’re just scared. It’s an echo chamber permeated with billionaire-funded viewpoints. No original thought, while also needing someone to punch down at every time.

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          They’re victims of a cult. Sadly. Sadly, no one is immune to propaganda and as genocidal as the “righties” get, so do “lefties”. I favour “people who think”, however I do draw the line at hate rhetoric, regardless of how hypothetical it gets.