Whats the joke here? Im not a car person.
the joke is that they’ll literally cook the planet, knowing each stroke of the engine is putting out more CO2 that will cause the planet to heat further while choking their own kids with pollution, haha, and they’ll do it for fun.
the cult of vroom vroom is gonna kill this species because these smooth brained fuckwits can’t enjoy other forms of entertainment.
Valve float is when the cylinder valves are unable to close completely between cycles, usually due to high RPMs beyond the engine’s design, but possibly due to very high mileage, often well beyond 100-150k miles. This meme refers to the former.
Longer, more detailed explanation:
Internal combustion engines use something called poppet valves to control the flow of fuel and exhaust into and out of an engine cylinder. A poppet valve is generally a disc shaped, tapered plug atop a longer shaft called the valve stem. The stem runs through a stout spring, then through a hole in a disc attached toward the bottom. Valves are opened by being pressed by their stems, popping up toward the cylinder chamber to open whilst compressing their springs, then being released so the spring can push the valve closed again.
If an engine is driven to rotational speeds beyond its design, the springs may not have enough compressive force to fully control the valves. The valves begin to ‘float’, where they can be bounced open, opening too far, then are unable to completely close before being bounced open again. This can cause a number of issues, ranging from power loss to catastrophic failure. In high performance engines, this is prevented by stronger springs paired with a stronger, more precise system capable of handling the force required to open them.
The meme is describing someone presumably driving a shitbox car pushed well past its limits to ourperform a high performance vehicle. It’s definitely an exaggeration as most vehicles would break well before producing that much force.
That’s Bernie Sanders.
I’m assuming the guy on the right’s engine is extremely worn in order for valve float to be occurring and that is very much Not A Good Thing (will lead to engine damage once a piston contacts a valve)
So basically they’re beating the new car guy in an old worn shitbox
valve float can happen for all sorts of reasons; revving too high, bad lubrication, cam geometry, wrong springs… but if it has float now and didn’t before then yeah it’s definitely wear.
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They obviously don’t have an EV! So much torque and so much fun!
Yes, in every objective way better.
Though it is oddly understated. You put pedal down, you feel it in your gut but it just does it without drama. No roar, no shifting, just immediate “here you go”.
I see that Hyundai made the equivalent of cards in the spokes, fake roar, fake shifting. As stupid as that is, it might be an option to feel a bit more of the “drama” of fast ICE.
I used to drive manuals till I got a caravan and started burning clutches. I moved to automatics for towing as it was just easier all round. The shift to an EV was another easy change.
The lack of drama while driving seems to be a big thing for enthusiasts however I hear the road noise and have decided that it is good not to be contributing unnecessarily to it.
If the enthusiasts get interior speakers to vroom at them, fine. The ones where they point the speakers to the world though…
But ultimately, after the entire history of cars being “vroom means fast”, I think it is a tough pill for them to swallow that it isn’t a necessary facet of going fast.
Demented boomers in EVs will kill so many people. Imagine a 2.5 metric ton machine flying trough a T intersection straight into a home because the braindead driver slammed the throttle instead of the brakes.
One pedal driving will become the norm. Like a go-kart you take the foot off the accelerator and the regen braking cuts in. Effectively, the brakes aren’t used a lot.
Another change is that they accelerate so quickly that people running the red light run a real risk of being tboned by an EV.
Just got mine 2 weeks ago and it truly is a game changer. I don’t think I could see myself going back to an ICE vehicle ever again.
I have an employee who leased a Kia EV. He was super happy, saying how it was a whole new world, NEVER going back.
Few weeks ago his wipers stopped working. No big deal, drop it off, get it fixed. Been there for almost a month. Now they’re talking about wiping each individual computer module and reloading in order to get it working again. Dealer has been working with corporate who engaged their engineering teams because nobody knows why the fuck the wipers won’t work.
I am all for EVs, would love one myself. However, it seems that the EV revolution arrived at the same time that the “overly complex for no benefit” revolution did. Also, add in creepy cyber-stalking via unwanted telemetry and I’m just not into it. I don’t want to be a luddite who refuses to get with the times, but aside from instant torque, there are not a lot of upsides.
Make something that works, make something reasonably priced and fucking TURN OFF THE CREEPY TELEMETRY and maybe I’ll reconsider.
Ha ha, we all know that’s not going to happen. Too many revenue streams from service/repair and the money they get from selling your behavioral patterns to every asshole with a few bucks.
Unfortunately the telemetry is not an EV only problem. That’s all cars now, and until we make it illegal.
Expect the Slate pickup, they claim.
That’s worrisome about the wipers, as is the telemetry. I think my dashboard is Android based, so I wonder if there’s any way to sideload APKs for AdAway or something similar. I managed to net a '24 Ioniq 5 Limited, and due to overflow of repaired/rejuvenated ICCU buybacks, got it for $25k. In my case, it was just the 12v battery that needed replacement.
I hope your never in a ICE vehicle, prolly be the last we see of you
When I first typed this up, I knewsomeone would make that quip.
But yep, I sure hope not either 😳
And the ride is just so god damned smooth.
But no vroom sound and clutch, _,
Slightly different topic, but I can’t wait for vroom sound to fuck off. Every single night, I have jackasses making their big, strong, manly, vroom vroom sounds by my apartment, and doing wheelspins. Can’t wait for that to be taken away over the next 20-ish years by cars simply not making that noise, and being electronically incapable of making wheelspins.
Yea let’s punish everybody because you have shitty neighbours, instead of punishing the shitty neighbours…
we used this logic on smoking and it’s working pretty damn well so far.
How is not being able to do loud annoying wastefull shit a punishment
I said nothing about punishing anyone. It’s just the natural way this is going to go. In 20 years, you won’t see a lot of ICE cars, therefore, you won’t hear a lot of annoying car noises.
I’d fucking better still be able to do a burnout you’re describing dystopia. Electric cars can easily produce burnout torque, give me the impression of shifting and I’m all in. The simplicity of electric driving bores me until I’m driving like an absolute bogan, downshifting and punching the throttle in my 5spd Forester is way more fun at 30mph than going 120 in a straight line.
I still want to get a speaker on the outside that has the sound of a toddler making revving noises whenever I peel out
Just roll down your windows and become the toddler of which you dream
I need more volume
As a daily Corvette driver I virtual fist bump every shit box owner out there. I’ve been there and I love you guys. And to every Prius owner giving me the evil eye? I’ll make out with every one of you because your a better person than me. And total cost of ownership of my Corvette is half that of my friends Model S and it isn’t a bore to drive either.
Also, fuck GM, their never getting a dollar from me again after their superPAC donations. And old men vette owners are REALLY WEIRD.
I’ll make out with every one of you
yeah I think they’ve already revealed their feelings about pollution, take the fuckin hint.
And old men vette owners are REALLY WEIRD.
it’s probably brain damage from all the co2 you end up breathing.
Its true and theyre not even mad about it
I’m not giving you the evil eye, I’m checking out your car and making out with you with my eyes. I think we might secretly be the same person.
As a biker with no bike lanes I detest them both
Drivers didn’t spend over 50 years secretly buying and dismantling public transit, forming zoning boards, and lobbying Congress to build car-centric infrastructure using tax dollars from everyone, including non-drivers; billionaires and corporations did those things. If you’re going to detest people, detest them. The people driving are just doing their best to get by using the only system they’ve ever known.
Oh I know it, and it’s not the drivers I hate… Unless they are coal rolling and/or trying to run me off the road, which is way more common than you would think. Car companies and lobbyists started it, but some people where I live seem to want to end it/me.
I hate that the state DOT won’t just figure out how to put in bike lanes. It’s the antithesis of their MO, which seems to be highway widening. If it’s one or the other (doesn’t have to be!) then that makes me and my agenda extra threatening, I guess.
I’d just like to chime in and say it is the drivers I hate, they actively make society worse for everyone with their individualistic approach
No bike lane means you can use center of the traffic lane. Its almost safer sometimes then the unprotected bike lane…
Good info, but I’m not trying to make enemies of drivers either. I call myself a “bike ambassador” and I try hard to be respectful of everybody on the road.
Honestly, since moving to my current spot I bike so much less because it’s perilous. Several bikers die every year in my area due to car/truck/dump truck crashes. Maybe this is my cue to move to Portland. Or Montreal.
I dont want to make enemies either, but at least in pa thats just the law, bicycles must be on the street, and if no bike lane is there they use the regular lane. They can stay centered, and a car needs 4 feet of clearance to legally pass them.
Dont get me wrong, most drivers dont know that and are assholes so i stay to the side whens its safe, etc etc.
I feel like the corvette is the worst of every world. Pricy/frequent repairs, not particularly quick acceleration, weird stigma. Compared to many cheaper electric cars with surprising oomf, it feels silly to go with gas for fun. If you have the ability to charge an electric car, anyway
I see your point… But in no world is an EV a replacement of a Corvette or similar car…
not particularly fast
Everything I’ve heard about the ZR1 is generally positive. I was under the impression that it was very competitive with other “super cars” often for substantially less money.
Agreed. Not sure what this guy is talking about. Are they perfect? No. But for an ICE car, it’s really fast. Electric have the benefit of all the torque available without the need to rev.
That’s my point. Electric does the same for a lower price with better optics and more storage space and range. If you want to get slammed into your seat, a 50k usd electric is going to do just that, and it will last longer, and it won’t yield any “corvette guy” vibes, and it probably won’t break down anywhere near as frequently. (Obviously model specific, and it goes without saying but fuck Tesla)
I’d love a used model s p100d, but then I’d be in a Tesla.
Eeeeeh, I’m scared to ride one. Their doors cutting out during an accident is absolutely horrifying. Neat car to play with on a track with a fire crew handy, though. Just not one I’d choose to use more often than that.
Their hidden rear door release design should literally be an imprisonable crime
If this is what gets musk thrown into prison, I’d be so giddy
Shit talking the corvette based on straight line speed then talking about a track toy… are you delusional or what?
The corvette is an excellent track car for the price and would be far more enjoyable than an EV for that purpose.
You understood none of what I wrote if you think this expresses that anyone should ever drive a Tesla for any reason. I call a car a death trap requiring a standing fire crew and you interpret that as a track toy? There is phenomenal bravery in your incredibly obvious misinterpretation.
And of course a corvette would beat comparably priced evs on the track. Most can’t corner. Do you want a cookie for taking high school physics and economics 101?
The door thing is not a thing on the older Teslas.
Also they tend to be the more reliable sports car too certainly cheaper to maintain than anything Italian or German.
They are on crack, ignorant, and trying to pull an ’ ACHKTUALLY the Tesla/byd is faster’ argument.
I’ve only mentioned teslas to disparage them and I don’t actually know what a byd is. Feel free to ctrl f.
Damn they are ignorant on electric cars too
Apologies, I don’t track Chinese car brands. I can tell that knowing the names of Chinese car brands is very important to you, but it is not to me.
China numba one
3 second 0-60 on the base model and 2.5 seconds with the sports package. Thats right in there with the sportier electrics, but the sportier electrics (broad, I realize) go from 50-120k usd and the zr1 from 70-120k usd. Thats not bad, but corvettes are notorious for maintenance needs and issues
I’ll need you to boot up your favorite racing game and try to understand how incomparable a 2 ton EV that zips straight is to a sports car. Driving dynamics of EVs suck and will continue to suck until they can get battery weight down.
I mean, I’m cornering fine in the city and easily placing myself in any location within eyeline when I choose to be there. On a track, it’d have me beat. Running from the police as well. But on tax payer roads, dividends are small. The second set of brakes make it feel much more manageable, as well.
What car a “car person” buys is not because of a numbers games, or its features, or its practicality, it is just because certain cars give a sort of “emotion” that connects with them. As someone who has driven loud but genuinely slow cars like Toyota Chasers, RB20 swapped Silvias, forged billet built 4g63 evo’s, but then something like an Audi E-tron GT, the etron of course is faster, more comfort, more festures, but they feel “sanitized” where as the others you have to conform to the car. EV’s are amazing cars, but give you no connection to the car or the road, there is no personality. If you’re not into cars, it sounds dumb, but as much as corvette owners, or dodge demon buyers will tell you the 0-60 times, the 1/4 miles trap speeds, the power of the car, the real reason is it conveys an emotion that connects with them that a Tesla doesn’t, a Porsche Taycan doesn’t, a ioniq 5 N doesn’t, etc, they’re great amazing cars, but they don’t let you turn your brain off the world and needing you to focus on driving, like listening to your favorite song does, some songs are just noise, but some let you forget about the world and just focus on the moment
I vaguely understand what you mean, but it’s impossible for me to fully grasp, as someone who sees cars as a means of conveyance with utility in speed solely owing to the ability to avoid frustration on the road. Frankly, the idea feels so alien to me that I am absent of questions. Which is rare for me.
And that’s okay! Cars as an interest isn’t for everyone, to me it is my passion, and my means to a living, but for most they are merely a tool and a burden, nothing more, but for some it goes beyond that. It is one of the very few hobbies/passion that is shared by the majority of those who don’t care for it. Imagine if suddenly everyone in the world had to spend and hour of their day listening to heavy metal music, no negotiation, just has to as a means to living, for the majority, they would hate that hour of the day, but for those who are into it, they’d love it, well that is the automotive hobby, majority have to drive to live, so not everyone has to be interested in it, its just a tool, but for some, it is an expression of themselves, a connection to a past, something to improve themselves upon, or just a way to disconnect, cars can tell a story to some, but to others they’re as colourful as a hospital hallway, and both are okay.
I really enjoyed your description of car people and the metal comparison. If by any chance your means of living is lyft or uber, I hope you are my driver one day soon.
If you can’t even comprehend the idea of driving for fun, what makes you think you’re qualified to comment on the topic? Corvettes are designed to do things you don’t care about doing. Is it really any wonder you don’t “get” them?
Uuu… Gatekeeping, now that’s something new under the sun.
The zr1 is 0-60 in 2.3 seconds with a top speed of 233 miles per hour.
The C8 is 0-60 in 2.8 seconds, with a top speed of 194. the electric is 0-60 in 2.5
These aren’t slow, not even close to being slow.
The corvette is literally one of best price per performance cars in 2026
I never got the “top speed” thing. The fastest I’ve ever gone in a car was 110 mph, and that felt like far too much on a freeway.
But I never said slow, it’s just not particularly jumpy when compared with electrics. I should have clarified acceleration, you’re right.
0-60 in 2.3 seconds is ridiculously jumpy, Most people can’t control a car accelerating that fast. 0-60 in <=5 seconds is considered sports car territory
It scared JEREMY CLARKSON like 3 generations ago
The Corvette? Didn’t it have like horse chariot suspension 3 generations ago? Scary indeed when a car is fast but not built to take corners at any speed.
The C8 is pretty incredible value for money if you live in the US. It’s essentially half the price of a 911, and you get a lot more performance for the money, and a nicely balanced mid engined layout. Servicing costs probably aren’t that high because you take it to a normal GM dealership for GM parts. I don’t know what kind of acceleration you consider quick, but even the base model Stingray does 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. Top of the range models do it in under two. I can’t think of any comparable electric cars for the money. If you want similar performance to a ZR1 in an EV, you’d have to buy a Taycan Turbo GT with factory Weissach package and Manthey kit, which would set you back around 370k usd.
Didn’t even give the idiot that. The Corvette can turn laps all day out of the box while every EV out there requires brakes and charging every 30 minutes.
EVs are just not great enthusiasts cars even at the most expensive levels.
If I could afford 3 electric supercars I could definitely have an enjoyable full day at the track. Keep 2 charging and being maintained, and switch out
It’s because the attention is more important than the oomf for these kinds of people.
If they could easily modify an electric car to make a ton of noise when revving, they’d probably switch.
You could not be more misinformed here. I say this as someone who drives an electric. The modern corvettes are insane value for a sports car, extremely moddablr and reliable, as quick or quicker than an ev while annihilating most evs on top speed.
You sir, are the worst kind of incorrect. You are confidently incorrect.
Their reliability is comparable to a new Tesla, and their parts are pricy as hell. Who’s telling you these things?
I don’t know enough about cars to join this conversation but I feel like the people arguing with someone calling themselves Gullible are probably wearing uranium horseshoes.
Shhhhhh, you’ll ruin the bits and confuse the ones where it’s not a bit
This is nonsense. You know nothing about corvettes or sports cars. The reason it’s popular is that it’s more engaging and more fun then just about everything at its price point while being reliable even after modding. Nobody in the space gives a fuck that they are fast in a straight line or you can spend a million dollars for a hypercar that that actually can’t make out through a full length event.
The ignorance in your comment is one of the best cases I’ve seen in a while of confidently incorrect 🤦♂️.
You are a nerd who has missed the point entirely.
This reads almost like an ad for a matchbox car. I’m a nerd calling your hobby silly, not misinformed
No I read your responses. Your intentionally being dense. Fuck off.
I know older Corvettes are a pretty good starting point for getting into stock car drag racing
Source: I drag raced my family’s 15-seat Chevrolet Express, and synced the video to the audio of a Corvette that got exactly half my quarter-mile time XD
I think I know what went wrong with the van. You probably forgot to paint flames on it.
Shoulda painted it red, red is faster 👍
The Chevy Express is such a good van dude. What year?
Dream van
If only McLaren brought back the body of the F1 with suitably blistering electrics, I’d overthrow a few small nations to get one…
If they manage to fit the engine in such a flat vehicle, I’d be impressed. The only company going as low as a corvette is aspark, and I don’t even know when or if they’re actually going to deliver those things. And they cost 3kk usd each.
My silly FR-S is pretty fun, cheap-ish on gas, and was only like $11k with 56k miles. When I was looking there weren’t many fun electrics in my price range.
15k cad, and 26k km for my very serious brz (also 13 years old). I also had the same lack of evs in my price range (not even including fun ones).
The BRZ was what I was originally wanting, but they all seem too expensive in my area. My wife has been driving a Scion xD for around 14 years and as her household mechanic it’s been a dream so I figured why not for the BRZ’s sister car.
Looking in my area FR-S’ seem about the same price, gr86’s seemed a bit more pricey. I considered them all equal when i was looking (at the time i was looking at wrx’s or miata’s also). Really enjoy driving this this car so far only downside is more expensive gas, and the paint which seems to chip super easy.
I loved my FR-S (after a chip tune to smooth out the torque dip). I put a Borla cat-back on it and it sounded amazing. I loved how you could rev third all the way out and not be going ridiculously fast. Parking lot drifting was so easy with the LSD too. Oh, and I loved how it used the standard Toyota cruise control stalk; that one is one of my favorites. Great car.
I don’t really need something insanely fast, just something fun to drive lol! Sadly no drifting for me yet, I may have gotten too old for that when I wasn’t looking. I’m just glad for a no frills manual transmission in today’s world.
Mine came with an invidia exhaust and a pretty nice ingen intake… Makes it a bit louder than I like, but it sounds better than a few I’ve seen (deeper, less like a pissed off weedwacker).
56k miles on a 10 year old car?? Damn, I need your search skills! But yes, the secondhand market is rough for electrics. It’s like they’re made of gold, the way the price refuses to dip.
?? EVs depreciate like a rock
All of my rocks retain value pretty well?
Good talk
Actually it was 13 years old, it was one of the 2013’s that somebody absolutely loved. They installed the starlight headliner mod, ingen intake, and invidia exhaust. It’s got the bespoke radio (sadly the 2013 bespoke that didn’t have native apps, it was powered by zypher), and the optional bazooka sub in the trunk; when I bought it there was zero bass because someone tried to wire in a kicker and ended up starving the signal so neither sub was working.
The only gripe I really have with it is the black velvet like stuff they covered the interior with and the insanely worn gear shifter.
Are the seats black velvet? That sounds rough in the summer. Hot and slipping across a smooth, sweat soaked surface is, perhaps, the least comfortable way to drive. In my opinion, anyway.
That is an incredibly sweet deal, though. It sounds like you got someone’s leisure car. I can’t think of another reason for all of the mods and mileage being as low as it was. It must have been tough for them to give up.
No the seats are normal, I guess they didn’t like the cheap plastic feel for the trim (like silver-grey accents around the radio/vents/door cards) so they glued on some sort of fabric. It really doesn’t look too bad, but I’ll probably bring that part back to stock, or swap it for nicer pieces meant for the BRZ.
I wish you luck, if you try another veneer. My friend ended up having his new pleather bubble up on him twice before swapping to cloth, which also bubbled up once before being fixed
Nah, definitely Ferrari. Tires are like $50K. An oil change is like $2-3K. Just buying one is a huge hassle. You can’t just walk into a dealership and buy one, you have to agree to buy a few used ones first, then they’ll allow you on the waiting list for a new one.
it feels silly to go with gas for fun
Fun is about more than just speed. Top speed, zero to sixty, Nurgurgring lap times, those are all just numbers on paper. Having fun is about more than that. Fun is a sum total of the sensations a car can provide you. If you’ve never rowed through the gears of a roaring V8, listening to the RPMs climb and crescendo into the smooth thunk of the shifter, you should really try it some time. It’s a uniquely satisfying sensory combination that electric vehicles just can’t replicate. A Model S can’t have supercharger whine, a blowoff valve, or even induction noise. Those things might not be sensible, or even practical, but they are sure as hell fun.
Pretty sure you can just walk into a dealer and order a new one. It’ll just be a basic Ferrari. The limited production run models are the ones reserved for repeat customers.
It’s also to make their customers feel special
The entire ownership experience is ass though. New, you’re stuck going to the dealer for repairs. Old, good luck finding parts
I honestly prefer the silent acceleration of an EV, all the sounds are annoying. I have fun accelerating from every traffic light to 50 km/h in a blink of an eye. I can have fun on my commute, save money and as a side effect “save the planet”. Without annoying everyone around me.
C8 also looks like derivative trash
C5/C6 forever
Electric cars just aren’t entertaining. They’re not entertaining to watch race, and they’re not entertaining to drive.
I don’t find any races entertaining to watch. Electric gets me from point a to point b extreme rapidly, and that’s where I find my fun. In instantly flying past the doofus ahead who’s driving 10 under the limit and arriving at my destination without aggravation. Doubling my speed to catch the next green cycle. Hauling what I need without worrying about space. Never hearing “oh, you’re a ___ guy.” It’s just a fast car with trunk space to me. Romanticization of cars is utterly absent in me.
You sound like a reckless driver. Remind me to stay at home when you’re driving.
Please do. Sitting behind slow moving, hesitant, unpredictable drivers is agony. I imagine you choose not to use your blinker, seize the gap, or follow the flow of traffic like everyone else in this godforsaken city.
If I see you crawling down the freeway on-ramp at half the speed of the drivers you’re attempting to merge between, I will transfer to you the aneurysm you planted within me by sheer force of will as I pass by you.
You imagine total bullshit my friend. I always use my blinkers, go with the flow and ‘sieze’ gaps when it’s safe to do so.
I don’t have any iaea which city you’re referring to but I’m sure it’s nowhere close to where I live.
Please, if you’re going to drive recklessly and put yourself at risk, at least don’t take other innocent drivers or pedestrians with you.
I apologize if this comes off as rude, but you’re currently incapable of extrapolating enough information to have a conversation about how to drive. I assuredly hold fewer or equal points on my decades old license, likely maintain distance better than you do, and drive more defensively than you do.
Cease attempting to look out for people while looking through the lens of someone speaking out of frustration about street racers and geriatrics. You do not even understand enough to ask questions.
You are so full of yourself that it’s hard to believe. Go learn some manners and a bit of humility.
Does 0 points beat you? I’ve never gotten a speeding ticket in my life.
The 3-year old in their head likes it when it say big wroom
It’s okay you are allowed to just say you don’t like ICE cars
I shouldn’t feel this nostalgic for ancient bait setups. Your bones hurt too?
Vette’s are basically just a Chevy small block with wheels and a fiberglass shell. They’re very fast and they corner extremely well with such a low center of gravity. They are a pain in the ass to maintain though.
The new ones corner well. The old ones, well, pull up some of the old top gear episodes where they tested vets on their courses.
They loved backing into corners at 80mph
They handled well for the time they were manufactured. Comparing old cars to new ones like that isn’t really fair. Even a modern Honda Accord could outperform a C3 or older Corvette in every category. The difference in aerodynamics, suspension, and materials technologies, plus computer control, makes that big of a difference.
Matter of fact, if I remember correctly, a modern Honda Accord Sport has a faster Nurburgring lap time than an R34 Skyline, which was one of the fastest production cars of the 90s. That’s how quickly car technology advances.
I wasn’t comparing them to a modern vehicle. Even for vehicles of their time they really didn’t corner well. Corvettes were meant and designed to go fast and a straight line but they weren’t designed to corner very well. Not until the newer mid engine ones.
Also tires, whatever came on a c3 is way worse than modern tires are. Its a huge difference.
Modern tires and n an older vehicle make a big difference. Never understood why someone would spend more for bias plys, like I appreciate the look but I like to drive too.
So this week I learned about putting a Prius engine in an Echo, and swapping the intake cam…and wow that thing flies.
You are just the right level of stupid and awesome.
Flies and sings too, sounds great! Man I’m jealous :D it looks like a hell of a time
