Oh oh…shit. That’s going to hit photography hard.
So photographers get hit double… First being replaced by AI and then forced to increase their prices because of… Again AI. What a great world we live in
I don’t like having eyeballs anymore 😭.
Dw guys, you can all just sit at home and watch as your world is scrapped for parts. Just… Keep protecting, I’m sure your gov will start listening to you any second now. Ah it’s just memory cards, why get into a stink about the ramifications of that…
You are talking about going against a cartel of oligopolies that have locked down the technology sector with the IP they control and who have cutthroat control over where the latest technology is deployed. What we at home can do is playact “It’s back to the 90s!” and go back to the technology we had several decades ago, which is more viable than it sounds.
If they want to act like cartels with the greatest and latest, nothing is forcing people to use it. Unfortunately, the technological divide will still be there. Tech minimalism, go human, recycle old tech, we have a lot of crap we’ve disposed off over the years that would otherwise still run fine. To create competition, there needs to be the breeding grounds for it, and if that means having to do with what the lunar lander did, then do so and exercise that brain in the process too.
go back to the 90s
I’m ready. I’m a tech hoarder and still have ISA cards and the boards that use them 🫡
This is and underrated comment. My most recent computer was build in 2021 I start to think about ripping it apart for piece and buy refurbished computers. I am trying to get solar panels working for an apartment. I have a bad exposition I wonder if I can replace a windows(which is in the right side) I never open by a solar panel. It is harder when renting, have to be double smart and think the work to be removable .
Thank you for a much more constructive comment than doom and gloompants back there.
China will come to the rescue.
Do nothing, win
Glad I’m stocked on memory cards that should last me for a while.
There is, however, a bigger problem that’s not addressed - manufacturers seemingly only playing nice to big corporations while screwing the end customer.
Manufacturers are supply constrained and they are basically selling to those that pay the most. Prices are above what most consumers will pay, so consumer lines become unsustainable.
The big question is what happens when they are no longer supply constrained. Will they be able to start the consumer lines back up again?
Consumer lines aren’t unsustainable for them, they were able to sustain themselves with them just fine. They just aren’t maximally profitable.
What they mean by unsustainable is that for the price it costs them to stock these means selling them to consumers at the existing price would not make any money, and the amount of money they’d have to raise the prices by in order for it to be profitable would stop consumers from buying it altogether.
Essentially, there’s no way to sell them to consumers in a way that will make money. Therefore they have to sell to big corporate customers in order to make any money at all. These companies are not lacking in corporate greed, but in this case there’s literally no other option.
That look like white washing corpo. What changed which make their existing line go down. Aren’t they building the RAM they sell ? Look like the make any money at all part is fake news. I look more like they think selling to corpo is more profitable than selling to humans. Why take 90 when you think you can take 150 selling to corpo. Édit : my bad I though they were building their own.
The big question is what happens when they are no longer supply constrained.
I can’t see that happening unless the AI bubble pops and their insatiable demand for more hardware ends.
It’s mask off time for capitalism. Business to person sales are no longer lucrative. All the money is in company to company now. See AI companies buying out entire present and future stock of PC parts until 2030. Regular people are no longer needed in this form of society. That’s why the market goes up while job numbers and employment go down. The economy can now support itself without anyone else.
Except that it seems a lot of these trades are on-paper, and not involving the actual transfer of goods. The data centres aren’t getting built. The servers aren’t going in them. The power isn’t being supplied. The tokens are not being generated. At least… It’s only a fraction of what they are all saying.
Some auditor is going to have a field day.
Yes but who actually cares? If society tolerates no actual real physical transfer of goods and leaves it all speculative, it doesn’t matter. The deals are made, financial institutions accept this, realistically it doesn’t matter that none of this is “real”. If society decides that it’s real, it’s real. Just like how paper money has zero real tangible worth. It’s all an agreed upon concept. The same is happening here.
The economy we had for the last handful of decades is gone. Speculative economy where only the top percentage trades with itself is where we are at and where we will stay.
It can’t be completely circular. There is an end customer that will expect something for their money eventually. Right now it’s driven by huge amounts of debt, but you can’t be on that forever. At some point it unwinds
Yeah, all this is illegal not because it’s an infinite money glitch, but because it acts like it is while destabilizing the economy
Well eventually someone has to consume something for all of this to make sense, no?
Also isn’t this more the result of unhinged capitalism without any real workers pushback?
Nope. This can keep going on. Big businesses with all the capital will continue doing trade exclusively with other big businesses and government. They don’t need our money anymore. And it’s not like we’re really going to have any trivial amounts of money anyways.
And what does that money represent anymore at that point?
Seems too many have forgotten that its the peasant’s labor that gives money any value.
Money doesn’t produce anything.
What’s the value of a dollar if it can’t buy you bread?
They don’t need our money anymore because they’ve already taken so much of our money.
That sounds like some future Quarter’s problem
Its the only place left to get huge sums of money, we’re in the end game of capitalism
Corporate clients buy in bulk, have supply contracts in place, can pay in advance for your capacity, etc. A direct consumer is worse in every way as a buyer.
Manufacturers only have a limited capacity of production and want to make money. It’s a much better business to sell all your production’s capability for a few months to one customer for a fixed price, instead of selling to thousands of small customers for a highly volatile price. In the worst case you produce stuff, you can’t sell or have to sell at a loss. A factory standing still and not producing is also expensive.
A factory with all machines running, all people working, all product selling at a good price is the ideal state for a manufacturer to be in.
Big customers bring stability and predictable profits.
Production capacity for in demand products will increase over time. Likely these same manufacturers‘ profits will be invested in more production capacity, optimizations, cost savings, etc.
In a few years this will result in cheaper and available consumer products.
General purpose computers have been fast enough and had enough memory for a decade now. I bought a quad core (8 threads) laptop with 16 GB of RAM and a 1 TB SSD, 2 GB VRAM twelve years ago. Around the same time I built a NAS with an HP Gen8 microserver, also with 16 GB of RAM for ZFS. That one I recently upgraded with a better CPU for 20 €. Both of these machines still perform really well for most tasks. I haven’t upgraded my phone in 5 years, and my tablet in 8 years. These start to show their age because of the small amount of RAM built in. Last week I bought high end EIZO monitors from 8 years ago for 50 €. These are fine!
Ask yourself, are you even doing things that are limited by your hardware? If you are limited by hardware, could buying a last generation high end machine fill your needs? If you need vast amounts of computing power, renting cloud computing might be a solution as well.
If you actually make serious money with your work computer, then paying 8k for a machine will pay for itself over a few months.
General purpose computers have been fast enough and had enough memory for a decade now. I bought a quad core (8 threads) laptop with 16 GB of RAM and a 1 TB SSD, 2 GB VRAM twelve years ago. Around the same time I built a NAS with an HP Gen8 microserver, also with 16 GB of RAM for ZFS. That one I recently upgraded with a better CPU for 20 €. Both of these machines still perform really well for most tasks. I haven’t upgraded my phone in 5 years, and my tablet in 8 years. These start to show their age because of the small amount of RAM built in. Last week I bought high end EIZO monitors from 8 years ago for 50 €. These are fine!
Ask yourself, are you even doing things that are limited by your hardware? If you are limited by hardware, could buying a last generation high end machine fill your needs? If you need vast amounts of computing power, renting cloud computing might be a solution as well.
Yeah, I generally agree with your points. I dislike the push to planned obsolescence with everything. I’m also trying to maximise the life out of things I have and I buy a little less often even if under normal market conditions I can afford new things whenever I want.
I’m a hobbyist photographer (so almost everything I throw at the hobby is out of pocket) and recently made a jump to higher megapixel cameras (the megapixel increase wasn’t a requirement, more of a side effect). I have a pretty adequate AM4 PC, but suddenly the 32 gigs of RAM that it has don’t quite cut it. Could’ve maybe bought 64 back then, but opted not to. It’s still a workable situation, just not ideal. Had to replace a dead SSD recently (the Phison controller ordeal), swallowed the increased prices on these as well (because the old one was “luckily” just a few months out of warranty). As for the RAM, before the price boom I could’ve gotten a decent 64 or even a 96 GiB DDR5 kit for 500-ish EUR - and now both cost 1500+. Upgrading the existing also wouldn’t be exactly easy because when I built it I hunted a very specific combination of frequency and timings - just buying anything would cost as much as it did when it was brand new. Should’ve jumped to AM5 last year, I could’ve even sold the current things at a profit now, but who would’ve known… At this point it’s a market crisis after another market crisis - maybe we should buy and never look back at the prices the next day.
A lot of people seem to think
I’mwe’re crazy for not getting a new phone every year or two. Previous one lasted 7 years, this one is at a bit over 5 years… It’s fine.True enough, my previous phone I kept until my banking app stopped working (my very, very old version of android was no longer supported) and my current phone is from 2019. I don’t think people need new phones/tablets/computers every year.
However… eventually I’m going to be needing a new computer. My desktop is about 6 years old now. And if it broke down right now, I don’t even know if I could afford to build a new one, unless I build one that’s worse than the one I currently own - and probably way more expensive than it was years ago (the RAM price alone is insane already).
And my phone won’t last another 6 years either. Although, who knows, it might. It seems indestructible so far, lol.
Sure, but we also don’t need more chatbot data centers to flood everything with more slop
So long! And thanks for the memory.
So they are still making the stuff but not for the common folks?
Not sure Sony manufacture flash memory themselves. They probably just buy it and package it into memory cards.
Common folks don’t have money to spend. Rich guys and businesses have plenty of money though.
I work in a photostore, and the prices for fast sd-cards are getting ridiculous. Every time I scan one in the cash register I am almost scared of telling them the price.
I just picked up my first real camera, perfect timing huh? Hopefully this one will be good enough when I figure out how to do the burst photos thing as I’m gonna need that I think.
I’m gonna pull a heist on a Staples ffs.
Yeah probably.
But watch out that Amazon doesn’t send you a fake. Run one of the storage testers to validate the actual capacity.
Unfortunately, thems are for windows, we don’t like their kind 'round here.
I’m sure I can find one for linux though, thanks for the advice!
I want to get off Mr. Huang’s Wild Ride.
Don’t worry, it’s not like this AI bubble is dependent on cheap energy prices or anything.
Sorry, you can’t. However, you can look at his ever increasingly shiny leather jackets!
If you turn on DLSS5 you can clearly see his clown shoes.
WHAT, atleast they don’t plan on this being permanent.
Hahahahaaahaa
This isn’t sustainable. Almost all of our infrastructure runs on computers and eventually it will reach a point where you have a computer in charge of vital infrastructure that won’t be able to buy replacement part and it’ll just fail.
There‘s existing infrastructure, that runs on hardware from the 1980s. Especially in industrial applications there are still plenty of gigantic machines controlled by a 386 or a C-64.
The used vintage market can keep these running for a long time. Eventually you replace them with an emulator or an FPGA that runs the same software.
Big banking, insurance, airlines, shipping, governments, militaries bought huge IBM mainframes from the 1960s onwards. They ran for decades. Many of these were transformed into virtual machines, still running their ancient FORTRAN code.
There’s also the story of (IIRC Minutemen) nuclear missiles needing 5.25 floppies to program their guidance systems. These were still operational in the early 2000s. Lots of military weapons systems run on ancient hardware.
Don’t forget the IRS! They’ve been on 1980s equipment since…well…the eighties!
Banks, insurance, and aviation all run on very well-tested established code, and are very, very resistant to change.
But people who know cobol and fortran are getting fewer and further between, so they are slowly changing. Fortunately with modern software development practices, you can much more easily write verified software.
We used to get by with much less. If only we could start writing more efficient software again…
Stuff is just getting more expensive, because of demand competition with AI. There is no reason to think that production for non-AI computing will ever hit literally zero.
Overall production != local availability or accessibility
nah all of the datacenters they build for AI, will come to use then.
they will say"Need computing? Don’t worry, just rent from us, for an ever increasing and enshittifying subscription"
We can’t even get them to upgrade our infrastructure to the 21st century in some cases so good luck with that. We still got shit running on Windows 7 or even Windows XP.
Windows 7. Don’t moan, it was the last good windows. Plus all the themes and hacks you could get for XP. Times were good
You can’t interact with a computer in the cloud though without some kind of computer in front of you.
We’ll just return to terminals. Just a screen, and input devices connected to a server :(
Right but surely you still need a CPU and RAM at the very least to process the Remote Desktop connection.
I bit of ram, but then I’d imagine you only need some purpose built chip for the connection, input and display logic. Effectively you’d need little more than a chrome cast-like device.
Chips of any kind are the issue. All the silicon fabs are being diverted to cover these insane datacenter orders. Like they’re backordered out over a year at this point. All to boost a tech bubble for a product that doesn’t work
I’m going back to my old Mac III. Screw this nonsense
Have you considered that…that is the intent?
BART looking smug because there’s no vacuum tube shortage.
Aaron lot of out infrastructure still uses floppy discs.
Yup
Damn. Our global economy is teetering on just in time supply chains.
Decades of nice safe cooperation and suddenly everythings fucked and now we can’t trust eachother.
Its what happens when you let the mob run a country and it runs around smashing everything
Nah. It happens when you let an idiot run things.
Mobsters are still organized businessmen. Just criminal ones. They’d do a much better job.
Elect a clown, expect a circus
When a clown becomes king the palace becomes the circus.
You think it could least be funny
It is funny.
Your right are getting eroded or attempts are being made, tensions the world over are rising and everything is getting more expensive for everyone.
But the memes are Booming.
The comments from Las Vegas are about the same. It ran a lot better when the mob was in charge. Now the corps are “optimizing revenue” everything into ruin.
Mobsters will always try to gain and then enforce a monopoly with violence. They don’t want any competition. Mobsters want to control the price in high margin business.
Depending on how they operate, they will also scam people, sell low value real estate at high prices, etc. Being organized means they are much harder to catch.
See, I don’t see a difference between what you are describing and most corporate leaders.
Mobsters (and other organized businessmen) prefer for their goals and means to be impregnable for outside spectators. Meaning we don’t know what’s happening. Also a much better job for their own ends, not yours.
Computation supply chains cracking are a problem, yes.
You know what else is a problem? Those who have a lot of reserve resources and reserve supply chains.
I would expect for USA to start playing Hitler in a decade or so, and it won’t be the “inefficient Hitler” trope usually ascribed to USA. It’ll be the “Hitler having listed all possible targets and eliminated them in under an hour when the global boogaloo starts” trope, the “Hitler having predicted all his possible opponents, as in separate people, down to every decision 10 years forward” kind of trope, the “evil Hari Seldon” kind of trope. The point is clear I hope.
All delivered to us by computation which most of the world uses inefficiently, but with proper understanding much more powerful. Anyway. I suppose it’s too late to change anything.
EDIT: And also “when the global boogaloo starts” kinda omits the fact that it has probably already ended.
Hey, we’re yet to discover whether Hari Seldom would become a villain! With this end of the last season, you’d never know!
I meant the books, which are not very detailed and focus on his genius at predicting whole societies, but not separate people, yadda-yadda, the author might have liked that specific detail, except it’s wrong, a society consists of all its members, and predicting one person is still easier. I suspect that’s because Foundation is actually a utopia, something showing how science and genius are always ultimately on the side of the good. IRL that’s not true.
The books, however have been out for somewhere between 70 to 30 years
Isn’t the show unrelated to the books beyond the setting and some characters?
You may actually be right, I haven’t really watched the show as I don’t have Apple TV. But it annoys me to no end they’d use the namez say it’s based on the books, and do something different rather than an adaptation.
I thought about it, and I must admit I haven’t read it (yet). Yet, the TV series adaptation, it looks like the latest episode was like WTAF?! I mean, I won’t be surprised it would be a completely different adaptation.
I didn’t say a good job.
Why are people making it out like the direction the US has gone started with Trump?
Trade and inter-country cooperation and commerce weren’t being shaken down as hard before Trump.
Oh right, that’s the surprise. Not the warmongering and murder for capital gains. My bad for misunderstanding.
Commerce doesn’t give a shit. The article is about commerce. Don’t be pissed at me for the way the world works.
And somehow it is worse than the high Covid-times
It’s okay we just need to build community fabs. Anyone know how to build a fab?
Ooh ooh I got this one. I’ve played modded Minecraft before.
First you find certus quartz ore until you get at least 4 charged certus, build a charger, then go looking for meteorites to find circuit patterns…
That’s easy: start like a shed and add machinery after finishing the roof.
I can’t imagine this is good for consumers.
At this point it’s good for economy when people burn down AI datacenter.
I mean if you gonna use violence just fight Alt-Man and his villainous brotherhood. Keeping the datacenters will probably spur the economy once they aren’t used for AI anymore and the compute will become available for general use. Like when the internet bubble burst they put way more fiber lines into the ground than they used at the time but eventually the overcapacity came to good use. Scientists are always in need for compute to run their simulations.
It might burn itself down.
Liberate the RAM first.
Going to take you a lot of time with a soldering iron. These are soldered HBM2 chips, not the DDR DIMMs you want. Still manufactured in the same facilities so they hold up that manufacturing capacity but can’t really be repurposed.
Not even that. They’ve bought a lot more storage, memory and GPUs than they have datawarehouses with power to install them in.
They didn’t. They agreed to buy them. With the money that they don’t yet have, and probably can’t ever earn.
Which makes this whole thing so much more insane.
Yes, but line goes up, and by the time it goes down I’m not gonna be holding the bag anyway
Not even that. The threat of a missile was enough to close the strait of Hormuz. They didn’t need to blow up every ship… Targeting a single ship, alongside an announcement that more is to come, would have been enough. It’s the risk that has the lasting effect, and I think it could only take a single well-motivated person to reproduce those results with data centers.
Except data centers have already been attacked in this war.
Not on US soil. There’s still a perception that those are safe investments.
Well shit how am I gonna get memory stick duos now?
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Cherry tree and knife.
wtf, Sony giving in also?
AFAIK, Sony doesn’t actually have memory chip manufacturing capabilities, they buy their NAND and DDR chips from companies like Samsung and SK Hynix, and simply package them in different formats or use them in their devices.
The semiconductor fabs of Sony mostly specialize in camera sensors and stuff like that.thanks for your info fellow human! i have not kept up with the evolution of these corpratorganisms
thanks for your info fellow human!
Claude is that you?
