In the mailing list and usenet days, people would tell you to RTFM if your question was answered anywhere in the documentation, and Linux was a thousand times harder to install back then. Never mind DMAs and IRQs, you had to manually write config files specifying the geometry and refresh rate of your monitor.
you had to manually write config files specifying the geometry and refresh rate of your monitor.
Ahhh that brings me back to 2005 and my first time installing gentoo
I’m in the openbsd mailing list and they still do that, it’s fantastic
A little while ago I observed a discussion between some GhostBSD user and some FreeBSD user and I genuinely couldn’t tell if they were being assholes to each other or if that’s just normal way to handle communication for them
wait you did? aww writing bootdisks was my favorite part of the 286 era.
Later you had to uninstall pulse audio so sound worked. And recompile WIFI drivers with every Kernel update. Today though I can very much relate I don’t want my OS to need more attention than maybe rebooting for updates once a month. That’s what made macOS successful. Linux Desktop has become usable in that regard, now even vsync sometimes works.
And here I am rebooting windows every few days because it gets unstable. Meanwhile the Linux VM I have running on that very same windows keeps on chugging like clockwork.
MacOS has the advantage (that the other OSes don’t) of being developed in house by the same company that designs the hardware.
people would tell you to RTFM if your question was answered anywhere in the documentation
Modern day internet techies will snear at you for using AI assist tools when setting up an environment. But by god, do these agents not save me endless hours of trying to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls of system configuration.
RTFM only works when the documentation is high quality and easy to follow. Better yet, if you know the manual so well, just link me to the damned chapter I’m supposed to focus in on. I’m trying to set up an *arr stack, not become a sysadmin team lead at a Fortune 500 company.
Never mind DMAs and IRQs, you had to manually write config files specifying the geometry and refresh rate of your monitor.
In fairness, a lot of those config files were relatively easy to write. I’ll take that over hunting through forty different nearly-identical screens in a custom configured BIOS.
I’ve been using a local Qwen3.8 model as a NixOS sysadmin lately for a non-critical VPS. So far, it has been working surprisingly well! I guess it’s easier for AI agents to gather context when the whole system and apps are defined in code, and immutable when applied.
I’ve been wanting to do this, even as a testbed. I just want computers to do cool shit, and am getting tired of being a Linux sysadmin in my free time. How large of a model do you have assigned to this?
Just Qwen3.8-27B. That little model is surprisingly smart.
NixOS also gives you the ability to roll back to previous config versions. I have not needed to do that (yet), but it reduces some risk.
“Just” and a 27B model don’t exactly belong in the same sentence if you ask my wallet. 💸
Yeahhh sorry 😕
I was fortunate to have bought my graphics card almost a year ago, and for a nice discount (a Black Friday sale, IIRC). I’d love to buy another, but they now cost >2x the price I paid.
FWIW, you can probably run it on CPU if you have enough RAM. I assume it will be really slow though.
Might also be worth trying Qwen3.6 35B-A3B. It’s not as “smart” as Qwen3.8 27B, but can be much faster on limited resources.
that is why openbsd is valid for treating people this way, because they work so hard to keep their manuals high quality
I miss the freebsd handbook
You can search the ancient scrolls for an eternity or consult the all knowing shoggoth that may melt your brain or lie.
Listen, I’m not saying Ya hai kadishtu ep r’luh-eeh Nyogtha eeh, s’uhn-ngh athg li’hee orr’e syha’h. But I get it.
K’yarnak li llll kadishtu, ngnah ah’lw’nafh Iiahe azathoth?
More and more people in hooded robes with star-symbols on their foreheads are saying it.
Shoebody bop
Entirely inaccurate, there wasn’t near enough baseless insults and wild assumptions.
The Arch and NixOS users feel attacked.
man as a NixOS user i’m too busy perfecting my configuration to care about what other users are doing.
It. Is. Never. Perfect.
I recently installed NixOS on my PC and this is so relatable. I’m thinking of installing NixOS on my servers too, to waste some more of my time.
I use the dendritic approach for my NixOS configuration. put everything in individual modules. then I go back and further cut up those modules to be even more specific. It’s gotten so bad I even have modules for almost every individual WM/DE to just turn them on and off within the flake. They’re just so fun to build. it’s addictive. I need help.
Migrating the rest of my boxen to flakes rn. Kindly keep it quieter out there, folks, you’re making it hard to hear the HDD to see if the nixos-rebuild actually uses the cache.
For a normie like me, i stick with Bazzite.
Bazzite is the best
Bazzite really does “just work”, it’s so awesome.
I wish I had that experience, but I suppose it serves me right by being a complicated dude, I’m used to my stream deck software and I just got myself an xlr microphone, setting up all the broken out streams of audio was a bit of a mess and some of it I have to repeat every time, like Everytime I launch overwatch I have to replumb it to push audio to the game sink instead of system, while all other apps generally know their place on restart, then there was a bunch of work I put towards trying to read from my xlr stream using some plugin off of GitHub but the sandboxing is giving me nightmares because it needs hardware access to the audio stack. I just left that part alone for now because it already cost me an entire evening wrestling it when I was looking to have fun, I’ll get back to it eventually. Meanwhile my Gentoo server, my 2 Ubuntu servers, and my Linux mint machine(for my wife) all were fairly no muss no fuss.
I had the same complaint about auto mounting internal drives and the stupid KDE wallet system, both of those things got fixed at some point. Given enough time I’m sure your issues will be figured out as well. I will say that audio support does really suck at the moment though. I gave up on using my surround sound system for the time being.
Yeah I just booted my main PC first with Gnome Bazzite (oopsies) and then again with KDE version… Works well, no notes. All my games, musics, discs, whatever, works. LMDE is great on my old-ass laptop tho.
I don’t really want to be the tiger but what do you do on immutable distros when you want to e.g. compile a C program from source (say, an SDL game). I always thought being able to easily install popular libraries from package manager a huge advantage of Linux over windows and mac.
Bazzite can provide a full user experience for 99% of the user base, who just want to get rid of Microsoft. Probably most of them would need to search the web to find out what it means to compile programs.
I bet most newcomers wouldn’t even know what that means
Well I can see a newcomer finding a program they want to run on github and there are instructions for compiling the program for e.g. Ubuntu which if they were Fedora user they would be able to adapt to themselves without much trouble. But since they are using a distro that decided that installing packages globally is bad for some reason they are very much on their own. Sure I think it’s possible and there are methods documented somewhere (and maybe it’s even better practice than installing dependencies from package manager), but it seems unlikely that anyone in the program’s community can help unless they have experience with immutable distros.
I just wonder what are the benefits for which people are chosing distros that so deviate from what most other Linux users use.
Are you asking an average user to compile programs?
If they can’t be downloaded fully functionally from the internet, they do not exist to them.
It’s a good question, and it has a definitive answer: Distrobox.
https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/Distrobox/
You can also run applications from within the container. I have a Debian based container (but you can use whatever you prefer, I just happened to find a guide for getting jetbrains IDEs working well with a Debian one) with the Jetbrains suite installed and all of the development tools I need.
Since getting comfortable using distrobox, I prefer to use it for dev environments even when I’m not using an atomic distro. It doesn’t add any additional friction.
I’ve been at this Linux thing for maybe 20 years now. I’ve tried more distros than I can remember.
And after running Kinonite and Aurora for almost 2 years now, I tend to recommend any Atomic based distro or spin for newbies. They are stable and solid. While still allowing for users to easily choose their own software and install it with very little worry of burning the house down.
And Bazzite fits right in there. Easy install and it works well for gaming. Or choose Aurora if you are looking for a “regular” desktop experience, (that’s me). And they take care of your video card drivers because you choose your video card when you download the ISO.
Mint is nice and I will recommend it also, but Atomics are the way forward for newbies and those that either don’t want to tinker anymore or those that aren’t at that “Lemme see what it takes to break this” point.
Same here! I started with Lycoris back in 2003, I’m very experienced with many different distros. The universal blue distros (Aurora, Bazzite) are my preference these days. You get the benefits of the atomic host and they aren’t actually restrictive at all once you get comfortable using containers for software that you can’t easily install with flatpak or brew.
I started with Slackware. I currently use Void. Do not follow my path. Use Ubuntu, Mint, or Fedora.
This is partly down to human nature. Some people make it easy for newbies and listen to them. And others get off on talking down to people. For them, a newbie is a great target. Worse if that newbie is not there to learn to be an IT pro. Just wants to use Linux as a user.
For example, just ask for a GUI solution to a problem, and you will see some CLI pros rush to answer. Even though they have no clue about the relevant GUI nor about usability. Thank them and say you really are looking for the GUI solution, and you will sometimes get a diatribe about that Linux is all about the power of the CLI, and it goes on to get quite tedious and gatekeepery. For some, the rejection is a trigger.
If you are an IT pro, you might not encounter this if you don’t specifically ask for the GUI way. And maybe come to believe the community is all wonderful.
at least with llm one can always get some help. not necessarily good help and maybe even be misdirected by ones own misconceptions that the llm could reinforce. But with little things like what some obscure thing that is obvious to experienced users is, or how to do something not too complicated.
But i wouldnt rely on it to troubleshoot arcane problems, did that myself and later it turned out the problem was somewhere completely different i thought and it “suggested”. I think it proposed at some point the problem could be where it actually was but i was convinced it couldnt be that and i thought i had ruled it out myself earlier. Then i noticed much later that i missed something when i tested things to rule out that particular source of problem. I guess one could still use it to get information on how to gather information yourself, that might be relevant to someone who actually knows something. And it could do some analyzing on logs and other system information files to find patterns human couldnt find without a lot of expertise.
I can’t understand why there’s so many people suggesting newbies something really complicated distro, when all they need is to start with a something really user friendly, like Linux Mint. User can then move on to other distros if they want to when their skills improve. I use Arch BTW.
because some people are assholes
Yeah, I totally agree. The only thing I can guess, aside from people just being assholes, is that someone with many years of experience is only thinking of what they liked after gaining that experience.
For example, if someone learned with Debian and then moved on to Arch, they think Arch is “better” and I think they are telling others to not waste their time on Debian. They are totally ignoring the fact that they spent quite a bit of time learning before they moved on and they are advising that a newcomer skip to what they perceive as “the end.”
Because otherwise you don’t have the “true linux experience”, whatever that means.
I work in IT support, and you can’t imagine how completely computer inept the average user is. Like, they start crying when a button has moved 2cm to the side.
These will never be able to use a command line, let alone install their own operating system.
Yet some of these Linux evangelicals think everyone was born with a UTP cable up their arse. So they recommend what they see as “easy”, but don’t understand that it only looks easy to them because of the decades of experience they already had.
As long as the Linux community can not decide what distro is the best for newbies, it will never be the year of the linux.
true linux experience
gatekeeping nonsense
Gatekeeping is a big problem with anything - especially as it becomes easier.
Film photographers balked at people going digital and about color grading and retouching with lightroom and photoshop.
Car people talked shit about how using an automatic transmission wasn’t really driving.
PC gamers got pissy at console gamers in the 90s and 2000s for just wanting a game to fucking work without having to chase down a conflict caused by a random printer driver that made their game crash in any map with water (my actual lived experience with Battefield 1942).
Lots of old-school 3D printing enthusiasts get upset when new users don’t know when to adjust their pressure advance or can’t read gcode.
Doctors who worked three 30-hour shifts a week in their residency think new doctors should go through the same rite of passage.
Football players who were taught to lead into a tackle using the top of their skull think new rules implemented to prevent neck injuries and TBIs make new players pansies.
We need to understand that part of making the world better is that the next generation of professionals, hobbyists, and people in general will have it easier than us, and that’s a good thing.
PC gamers got pissy at console gamers
This is also stupid because before the tail end of the 2000s, the types of games you’d buy a PC for were different than consoles. Not to say there were no platformers on PC, but you were going with console if that was your biggest interest.
Car people talked shit about how using an automatic transmission wasn’t really driving
… we stopped doing that? D:
When I recommend Linux I always recommend Mint because it can be installed and set up by anyone who can read and follow half a dozen instructions. I don’t often recommend Linux though, because the average user won’t even read an error message before giving up.
When I recommend Linux I always recommend Mint because it can be installed and set up by anyone who can read and follow half a dozen instructions. I don’t often recommend Linux though, because the average user won’t even read an error message before giving up.
LFS, Slackware, and Gentoo are the only complicated distros in 2026 and no one recommends those.
Even Debian is a lot harder to use than Mint if you want things like the login page recognising your external monitor and realising that it should be your primary monitor before logging in, especially if a KVM means that it wasn’t attached when you first booted. Or wanting that setup to persist after an nvidia driver update. There’s just so much stuff that a user-focused distro can make easy that most distros don’t make easy!
I think you overestimate skills of the average computer user. Most of them don’t even know how to install operating system, even that Windows which came with their own computer. That’s why you shouldn’t recommend them any distro which is easy for average Linux user. They need something very simple and easy for the start up.
because it’s pretty hard to recommend anything you don’t use. Seeking advice on a distribution in geek forums, therefore, is a losing plan right from the start. It’s smarter to install whatever you want and then come to the forums with your problems.
“I heard distro xyz is really beginner friendly, i didn’t use it though so i can’t give you much advice on that.” is pretty simple.
Maybe adding “…i’m using distro C btw” at the end if you truly want to feels important.
What’s the value of this advice? You can google the same thing in about 2 minutes. People usually expect real-world experience.
It gives people place to start with, and since you’re in that comminity you would very likely heard some recommendation. There were a time Google will recommend people PopOS where they’re undergoing changes that makes the OS so buggy to use and not user friendly at all, as a human person that participated or heard discussion about it, you will most likely tell new comer to steer clear from it. Google won’t do that.
“Just google this” is definitely the worst way to treat people who just want an easy recommendation in a sea of choices.
That’s alright, I’ve used them all. Don’t ask me about Fedora cause I will shit on Red Hat for the rest of my life. This also includes stuff like Bazzite by extension.
Nah, adding “I use Arch BTW” is something you’re seeing in Reddit all the time. I found it hilarious, didn’t realize how literally it was taken here. I would add that actually I have used Mint for ages, but I don’t want to make you think that I want to feel important.
That was mainly a joke, but i see it’s hard to tell from that tone, my bad.
But distro C isn’t actually easy you should use distro F for a really good new user experience!
Lol
Because most Linux users online are posers who only use their computers to run update commands.
Nah, poser was my teenage self installing it on my first gen iPod nano despite not knowing so much as what cat or mv does.
Except the “big cats” are are actually hyena and by “hunt deer” they mean that they fight over a carcass.
Tbf hyaenas do a lot of their own hunting. I believe I’ve read that lions more often pillage from hyaenas than vice versa.
Down with lion propaganda, I say!
Chat, I need help. Since a couple updates ago, CaxhyOS isn’t focusing on Proton applications properly. If I click on a Proton window, it doesn’t actually focus it unless I first minimise all applications, or then minimise another application. It’s super annoying for alt-tabbing fullscteen games, since I have to go to the desktop before going into a game.
Curiously, I don’t think it happens with Bitburner, which lately I’ve had running all the time. So maybe it’s only happening with the second game I launch at a time? Not sure.
What WM/DE are you using?
(i have no idea if I can help you but this is probably a helpful question for someone who can)
KDE Plasma with Kwin
Didn’t KDE just start accepting vibecode?Try running the applications inside Gamescope. It uses a separate toplevel window that shouldn’t be affected by whatever Proton is doing.
You could also try either enabling or disabling Wayland in Proton: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Wayland
It could also be a quirk of whatever Proton version you’re using. Try GE-Proton, Proton-EM, or an older version.
Is this all proton applications or have you only been playing one or a few games lately?
Lomg shot, but Steam games, including Proton games, will typically have the Steam overlay up. I don’t know how they implement the overlay, but if it’s via some kinda of floating transparent window, maybe it could interact oddly with focus in Kwin. Maybe try toggling the Steam overlay off, see if that does it?
It’s never “how * like”. It’s “what * like” or just “how *”
“*” meaning feels in this case.
How many lions and buffalo coexist? Surely it would be more likely to hunt an antelope or similar.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003347298908843
Hunting by male lions: ecological influences and socioecological implications
The main prey species of all male group types, but particularly nonterritorial males, was buffalo. By contrast, females preyed more frequently on the most abundant medium-sized ungulates, such as wildebeest,Connochaetes taurinus, and zebra,Equus burchelli.
Fair enough, I was thinking of bison, not true buffalo. That’s on me.
Really? i get handheld terminal command lines with embedded copy functions when i search for solutions to my Mint problems. It’s a pretty kind and helpful community.
Mint community’s first solution is always “have you tried just not doing that?”.
Never got that one before, I always get multiple solutions and workarounds until a problem is solved.
That gets a lot of people in trouble and I really advise against giving people terminal commands when it can be avoided. Unless the person already is familiar with the terminal, they’re just typing magic words into a black box and it reinforces the stereotype that Linux is this complicated and arcane thing.
Just tell them it’s a very basic AI chat and so you need to be precise in instruction
It’s more complicated to describe how to do something in a gui and it will only work for one environment if it’s set up the same way.
Yes, but at least they will understand the solution.
You can also just compile a script that they just have to execute, but they will understand even less and are way more likely to install malware.
Is it? I usually chain names of buttons or something like that:
File - Create - From templates
What if the person you’re helping has a different UI language? Or when buttons get hidden based on available screen space? Or when you need to get an older person to use a dropdown menu with hover and click options?
Sure it’s doable, but it’s so much easier to just copy and paste a command. Of course, whenever I tell someone to do something like this, it comes with a lot of warnings about the shell. If they’re close enough I just tell them to never run a random command without consulting me first.
Very often you want the other person to learn (memorize) the way to do something.
And most of the time that person (in my experience) is an elder being or something, so they prefer UI and I don’t want to die on a hill of making them relearn their ways.
One simple command vs:
Go to your start menu
Search for program name
Click on it
Scroll down about half way
Click the <Button>
Enter <Some text>
Click the <Button>
Click the <Button> in the popup
And if that’s done in Gnome, does it help a KDE user, Xfce, Mate? I think not. And that’s if the gui handles the problem at all.
Of course, the command comes with an explanation of what it does.
I don’t know, it isn’t that hard for me to help others with UI. 🤷
Trolls, who like to corrupt people’s data, exist. A GUI procedure is almost always safer.
Tell me how to gather this information from the GUI. Plasma for preference please.
>>> inxi -exzz ±[●][master] System: Kernel: 7.2.8-200.fc44.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 16.2.1 Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 6.7.5 Distro: Fedora Linux 44 (KDE Plasma Desktop Edition) Machine: Type: Desktop System: Intel Client Systems product: NUC8i7BEH v: J72992-303 serial: <superuser required> Mobo: Intel model: NUC8BEB v: J72688-303 serial: <superuser required> Firmware: UEFI vendor: Intel v: BECFL357.86A.0056.2018.1128.1717 date: 11/28/2018 Battery: Device-1: hidpp_battery_1 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse MX Master 2S charge: 100% (should be ignored) status: discharging CPU: Info: quad core model: Intel Core i7-8559U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Coffee Lake rev: A cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 1024 KiB L3: 8 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 1132 min/max: 400/2700 cores: 1: 1132 2: 1132 3: 1132 4: 1132 5: 1132 6: 1132 7: 1132 8: 1132 bogomips: 43198 Flags-basic: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx Graphics: Device-1: Intel CoffeeLake-U GT3e [Iris Plus Graphics 655] driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9.5 bus-ID: 00:02.0 Display: wayland server: Xwayland v: 24.1.13 compositor: kwin_wayland driver: X: loaded: nvidia unloaded: modesetting gpu: i915 resolution: 1: 2560x1440~60Hz 2: 2560x1440~60Hz API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: iris,swrast platforms: active: gbm,wayland,x11,surfaceless,device inactive: N/A API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 26.0.3 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 (CFL GT3) API: Vulkan v: 1.4.341 drivers: intel,llvmpipe surfaces: N/A devices: 2 Info: Tools: api: clinfo, eglinfo, glxinfo, vulkaninfo de: kscreen-console,kscreen-doctor wl: wayland-info x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr Audio: Device-1: Intel Cannon Point-LP High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1f.3 API: ALSA v: k7.2.8-200.fc44.x86_64 status: kernel-api Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.6.9 status: active Network: Device-1: Intel Cannon Point-LP CNVi [Wireless-AC] driver: iwlwifi v: kernel bus-ID: 00:14.3 IF: wlp0s20f3 state: down mac: <filter> Device-2: Intel Ethernet I219-V driver: e1000e v: kernel port: N/A bus-ID: 00:1f.6 IF: eno1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> Bluetooth: Device-1: Intel Bluetooth 9460/9560 Jefferson Peak (JfP) driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB bus-ID: 1-10:3 Report: btmgmt ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 5.1 lmp-v: 10 Drives: Local Storage: total: 2.81 TiB used: 920.76 GiB (32.0%) ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: A-Data model: SU800NS38 size: 119.24 GiB ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Toshiba model: Q300 size: 894.25 GiB ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: Samsung model: ST2000LM003 HN-M201RAD size: 1.82 TiB type: USB Partition: ID-1: / size: 116.66 GiB used: 18.42 GiB (15.8%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda3 ID-2: /boot size: 1.9 GiB used: 442.1 MiB (22.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 ID-3: /boot/efi size: 598.8 MiB used: 20.1 MiB (3.4%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda1 ID-4: /home size: 893.82 GiB used: 246.53 GiB (27.6%) fs: xfs dev: /dev/sdb1 Swap: ID-1: swap-1 type: zram size: 8 GiB used: 827.8 MiB (10.1%) dev: /dev/zram0 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C pch: 49.0 C mobo: N/A Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A Info: Memory: total: 32 GiB available: 31.2 GiB used: 9.3 GiB (29.8%) Processes: 357 Uptime: 1d 3h 26m Init: systemd Packages: 7 note: see --rpm Compilers: clang: 22.1.8 gcc: 16.2.1 Shell: Zsh v: 5.9 inxi: 3.3.41Not that I particularly want to get involved—I do also like
inxi—but you can launch Info Center (kinfocenter) fromkrunner, the application menu, or under About this System in System Settings to get a good amount of this information and more.
One “simple” command that could do anything including killing their entire PC vs detailed instructions of something they can follow and understand, especially if you include pictures.
If you want people in your community, treat them with respect.
That’s nice, right until you have to troubleshoot why the other person is having difficulty following the instructions. My not-entirely-but-still-mostly-strawman scenario (specifically with the RPi Imager) where that approach fails:
Run the application. If it asks for a password and then nothing happens, then you’ll need to use
pkexecto launch it with root privileges, runpkexec env $(env) DISPLAY=:1 /path/to/application. The main window will look like a wizard utility with the steps on the left and input fields on the right. Follow the instructions until step 4. Then complete step 4, but DO NOT click “next”. A gear icon should appear.No, not the gear icon on the top, the large gear icon on the bottom right. It didn’t appear? Okay, go back to step 2 and make sure the “full” option is selected. Now go to step 4 and reenter everything. Still nothing? Send me a screenshot. Okay, the “hostname” field must not contain a hyphen, replace it with an underscore. Wait, which version of the app are you running? Go to the small gear menu, click on “About”, and send me the version number… okay, nevermind, that version doesn’t support this specific feature, you’ll have to update.
I had to have this conversation with myself. Conducting it over an internet forum with a stranger of questionable technical skills is my definition of hell.
Command line is easier for the person giving it but it teaches nothing to the person using it and I agree with the previous poster, just reinforces the idea that Linux is this mysterious non-understandable os. Many knowledgeable people in the community love to gatekeep so it works out in their favor and no one else’s.
Does this one have a soul?
Nope.
And GUI feels like black magic too if the person doesn’t know what’s going on.
Yeah, the terminal is much more universal on Linux distros.
People will have wildly different GUI environments. I have no idea how to do thing X in all of KDE Plasma or GNOME or Xfce or Cinnamon or whatever. But outside of package management and some systemwide config, most Linux distros work pretty much the same way at a bash prompt.
And that’s OK. It does get them to open the term and see it and use it a little - copy/pasta is how we all started out. (Truth is, I still copy/pasta after more than 20 years should perhaps need) But that does not negate the GUI experience. I like and use the GUI every time I can.
But I understand the need for the Cli too. I can often use it to better see where a problem is. Something my GUI lovin’ lazy butt doesn’t always do.
After all, what use are detailed instructions and explanations?
I imagine most Linux communities have half a dozen or so online users, at any given time, just refreshing the New Posts section waiting to fix someone’s problem and blow their mind.
There’s a misguided imagination cloud about Linux, then in reality the incredible wealth of help and support Linux users invest and receive.
It’s the FOSS “lone-wolf” thing. If you feel like you’re on the outside, each Linux user sounds like a crazed wasteland wanderer.
Meanwhile, we’re using comfortably customized environments curated and supported by our community, updating in the background, and enjoying stable 20-second boots.
It’s really fun when they start arguing and blowing each others minds.
Gotta teach em bad habits early. That way they break things before it matters to much and they can learn!
You can indeed use sudo in kitty: https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/
I did, for a while, subscribe to the RSS feed of a Linux forum to help people xD
Mint is great for that. Fedora also offers up cookbook style instructions that can show both GUI and terminal commands. It’s a great way for newbies to get used to both methods.
Reddit fucking blows
I’m a beginner with linux but intermediate/advanced with windows and so far I’ve got limited experience with bazzite, cachyos, and linux mint. I think any of those 3 are easy enough for anyone to start with.
