It’s a good thing, ICE technology has been pushed past its practical use. Manufactures were making too many compromises to increase fuel economy the ultra light oil they are using is bad for the engines and is one of the main reasons why new cars today aren’t as reliable as ones from the early 2000’s.
The price of gas will probably drive most people who can over to electric or hybrid. But those engines will probably be more reliable now.
I will be honest, I don’t think that will be the case. Also even Chevy moved to a thicker oil that should maintain fuel economy on their newer engines and maybe fix it. It’s still 0w. Its probably not going to do much of anything tbh and GM is covering their ass.
Also the recall is literally manufacturing debris on the Chevy trucks. It’s a race to the bottom in quality. Making cars less efficient isn’t going to make them magically more reliable.
We have 2 cars that are 4 years apart in build. 2008 sienna, paint is perfectly smooth, (ignoring the many scratches on it from it being a work van). 200k mi. The 2012 VW Passat, the paint quality is actually horrific. You can see the orange peel 10 feet away after all the jpeg compression and the denoiser. The 2gr is a new engine for that platform. The 07K in the Passat is oops all plastic for literally everything. Mind you this is the second revision of an engine that came out in the mid 2000s with a gearbox that came out in the early 2000s. So they’re cost saving where they can, the plastics do kind of break. (I’m also aware that it’s an iron block so it’s gonna be heavier than a comprable aluminum block engine)
The engine issues are almost always manufacturing failures. WHAT DO WE MEAN SWARF/METAL DEBRIS is in the engine block. How the fuck do we forget how to clean an engine.
It’s the Hyundai GDi recall all over again. Also, these are new engine families. Even if we reduce the fuel economy limits, it will happen again when car manufacturers introduce new engines.
Edit: the last engine recall I can think of that wasn’t a manufacturing issue was the Saab oil sludge issues.
Gotta burn that oil or daddy Putin won’t have money to fight his imperialist war.
Right, of course, for the Russian imperialism, and nothing else, especially nobody else’s imperialism, that’s for sure.
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“We are about to announce a common-sense fuel economy standard because we want Detroit to build cars that Americans want to buy – not cars that Democrats want Washington to build,” “Biden focused on reducing U.S. greenhouse gas emissions and fossil fuel use, accelerating a transition to clean energy and making the U.S. a global leader in clean-energy technology and manufacturing.”
yada yada and more standard childish propaganda for the local peeps. The closer truth is that US didn’t have to care about any of that before, but now, they can no longer extort the rest of the world anymore, and all the exorbitant privileges the merican peeps have always had - WILL be taken away from them. Slam!
Biden and the rest of the Dems are also run by the oligarchy (NO, you didn’t have ‘Democracy’ before either - look it up), and followed the exact same foreign extortion strategy (extort and keep good nations down) as everyone see openly now. Mask are just off, and the Oligarchy are panicking - that’s all. However, Dems are being propagandised to believe that everything were fine until ONE orange man destroyed the finest progressive democracy in the world - come ooonn peeps…
US society and global hegemony was always a ponzi scheme sustained by wars, suppression/extortion, but touted/presented to the merican peeps, as a “capitalist succes !” - an archaic governance belief-system that is ‘coincidentally’ also the best societal substrate for oligarchs to prosper in. Merican ‘succes’ was always about stolen money/resources by extortion/aggression, and ALL merican/capitalist virtues and dogmas was just propaganda to please the home peeps. You think extorting Venezuela was a new thing for US to do ? Using nations as proxy warriors to harm US ‘enemies’ ? Supporting the Izraeli pschos was only the orange man ?? Come on, wake up and start noticing what a horror society you have been living in your whole lives, and discover how much pure evil your lack of activism have caused the rest of the world !
You will all find that all the political activist - ‘Socialists’, ‘Commies’, ‘Anti-fascists’ etc from the so-called “Far right/left/up/down/whatever” was always correct in their attacks on the 100 yo Merican Oligarch/fascist run ‘Empire of Lies’. Time to wake/look up from the propaganda echo-chamber and swallow the realisation that you have all been conned - manipulated - your entire lives for the benefit of the 1% !
Freedom to pay more
Bought a PHEV earlier this year and my “old fashioned” family quickly moved from “that boy ain’t right” to “you get HOW MANY miles per gallon??” And they still can’t compute that I can drive 50 miles on less than $2 of electricity and not a drop of gas.
The numbers make sense, people just need to be shown. It’s where the market is headed, no one should really be considering anything less than hybrid. When my wife’s old Civic dies, it’ll be replaced by a full EV.
I hope for my next vehicle to be an EV, but I won’t take anything less that 300 miles range. I know that 90% of my driving can be comfortably done in under 200 range, but I do go on longer trips. I know that recharging has come a long way, and I have no problem hanging out for 15+ min at a station, but I won’t do it every 2-3 hours because that’s all I’ve got.
I’m hoping to get many more years out of my current ride before it dies or becomes too costly to repair vs replace. That gives ample time for battery tech to further improve, and hopefully more and cheaper EVs to the market.
I’m not a car snob by any means, but currently the only EV that really piques my interest is the ionic 5 n, but it’s range is just way too low. I’ve been driving a WRX for a little over 6 years now, and love pretty much everything about it. I hope to someday have an EV equivalent of it.
have no problem hanging out for 15+ min at a station, but I won’t do it every 2-3 hours because that’s all I’ve got.
And there’s me planning a 2000mi road trip in my '22 Bolt next month lmao. It’ll add several hours to my trip as each stop is 30min-1hr
(The old model Bolts charge pretty slow compared to most modern EVs - 50kw max.)
If I had a Hyundai or something similarly fast charging it would cut my trip by ~5 hours each way. But I almost never take trips over 200mi by car. A few times a decade, maybe.
Range anxiety is partially what pushed us to go PHEV. We really only use gas if we leave our immediate area, and on longer trips it’s the same as a full ICE car (just with much better efficiency).
I too hope for better batteries and cheaper EVs before my next purchase! Would love to see Chinese cars in the American market to humble these MSRPs.
Serious question. What happens when the electric grid can no longer support everything, and starts either Browning or blacking out entire city blocks? I’ve seen the numbers, and the EVs are incredible in a lot of ways, but the pull on the grid if every household has an EV is also incredible. Also, supply economics will play a roll eventually, and just like petrol, which used to be 50p/L, electricity costs will rise as demand rises. We need a renewable energy EV. I agree with you, though, that EVs are better in almost every way. Just the grid isn’t ready.
America is propped up by reliance on oil.
What this article doesn’t mention is that California is such a massive market that their state-specific regulations often dictate the behavior of car manufacturers country-wide. Why?
Nobody wants to buy a car in TX that cannot be bought or sold in CA. No car company wants to sell a CA-only model vs. a 49-other-state model of the same car, so they meet the California standard for the entire product. There is a national ripple effect that causes the federal fuel standards to become functionally redundant.
Good luck getting the California Air Resources Board (CARB) to go along with these changes, let alone the 17 other states that have adopted the same CA-leading standards.
I think part of what they’re trying to do is to declare federal supremacy and scrap CARB standards altogether. And the Tribunal of Six will probably give it to them. Idk why we even bother with courts anymore tbh
What’s funny is with the cost of gas spiking I don’t think it’ll honestly have a huge effect (not saying I agree with rolling this back). People are tired
Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought as well. Fuel economy has been a major selling point for as long as cars have existed, because it’s always been a major part of the cost of running a vehicle.
Fuel economy hasn’t been a selling feature for a majority of buyers in the US since the 1970s. If it was, Ford wouldn’t have stopped shipping sedans here, and EVs wouldn’t need incentives and rebates.
A large section of the US market prefers to take out huge loans to buy an Escalade or a Ford F150 and then bitch about it when gas prices go up.
Ford stopped selling sedans because they couldn’t build good ones to outcompete the Japanese and SK brands economy wise or German/Japanese luxury and performance wise. It isnt because people want worse gas mileage.
Yet, hybrid vehicles and EVs continue to gain market share. Sure theres a lot of idiots who just want a big truck to stroke their own ego but even those are starting to become hybrid or electric. There’s been a downturn on full EVs after the tax credit expiration but hybrids are still growing strong and the only real benefit to a hybrid vs generic ICE is fuel economy.
EVs need incentives and rebates because they are an extra consideration for other reasons, primarily range and charging availability remaining a concern. Also media scares of EV car fires and battery life, etc.
F150? What am I, a teenager? F250 super duty at least, please.
And even the F150 is much larger than it used to be.
Apparently all the F-series trucks share the same cab now.
And Americans are just sitting on their hands and allowing it. What a shame to all of humanity that America has become so weak and pathetic.
Wake up.
This ignores a lot about how automakers were skirting these restrictions in order to sell us larger vehicles and why there are so few sedans and compact cars being sold here these days.
The rollback isn’t the answer because obviously we should be limiting the size of vehicles, but fuel efficiency is looking smaller cars off and people here are not buying smaller EV’s because of range anxiety.
So instead of promoting more green energy, more EV’s and less greenhouse gasses, the US is hurling backwards in every single policy.
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USMAGA cult is hurling backwards in every single policy.Ftfy
Yeah, keep believing that you are not ALL controlled and pitted against each other by the same Oligarch/fascist pscho class !
Keep believing that ‘Merica GREAT’ and everything that is happening is all just the dumb maga’s fault !
Keep believing that merican peeps had ever had any actual ‘democratic’ say in what internal/foreign policies was enforced !
That’ll teach your fascist oligarch rulers for good !!
Good thinking !!
Since MAGA is the majority of US governance MAGA is the US to anyone outside of the country. Same as Russia or Israel can be blamed for the wars against neighbors, no one cares that there is internal resistance unless it can actually do something.
