(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
Regardless of your take on the ethics of meat, this argument is nonsensical from either side.
Mixtures of things have different effects than their component parts.
It’s like saying if the hot chocolate just tastes like the cocoa powder, why don’t I just eat the cocoa powder?
Because the texture and nature of the water give it a property too.
Before I took up veganism, someone asked me about my feelings on it once.
And this was pretty much my response. I’m not really that attached to food in general regardless.
My answer wasn’t satisfactory though, because later they complained that I needed expressively enjoy the alternatives we ate.
It’s like asking an atheist if they enjoy Christmas without the Christ stuff — I mean sometimes? Most of it isn’t Christian, you’ve just come to associate them.
Like yes, I still enjoy salt, fat, and sweet smoky flavours even if they’re not from warming body parts of dubious provenance in my kitchen? I’m quite happy to leave that part out, thanks!
[Some kind of body of Christ pun.]
Yeah basically.
I always knew that it was the flavoring I enjoyed, which came from the spices. Not judging anyone that does miss meat or other animal products, but for the most part I’m rather unbothered.
And obviously I believe in the cause, I’m not just doing it because I can.
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
And, sugar is not a spice.
What about beans?
My wife add flavor at to meat, I like it just with salt.
On the opposite side, why do vegans spend so much time and energy trying to make replacements of meat products? Not protein, but vegan sausages, vegan bacon, vegan eggs, that sort of thing. They’re trying to replace the very thing they gave up with something that looks and tastes like the very thing they gave up.
Generally the same reason people like to video games to emulate real life even if they do not want the games to be real
I am not vegan yet but if i could get the same identical culinary experience as meat minus the horrors of the animal holocaust industry. I will become vegan in a heartbeat.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
Been making home made seitan the past couple weeks and it’s so good.
I don’t even BUY meat anymore! I’m a real man! A MAN’S MAN! I find animals in the wild and I chase them until thtye die of exhaustion and I eat it RAW! I have to get shots and medication to fight off prions and parasites like every other week BUT THIS IS HOW MEN DID IT IN MEN’S DAYS! I neither rely on the big production of meat or eating “plants” like some yuppie ass hipster!
THIS IS HOW MEN SHOULD BE! WE ARE HUNTERS or something, I dunno.
shoutouts to joe biden
remember folks. if you don’t put any herbs and seasonings on your food… there is a 100% chance you are British, stupid, or more likely both. British food should be renamed “Bland shit that gets served in a dying home” (dying home = those shitty retirement homes where people go to die alone with a meal plan that makes USA public school food look like $100k plate 5 star food cooked by the best chefs in the world)
WOAH OWAH WOAH
Reported for ableism, surely we cant go around accusing eachother of being Bri*ish
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I didn’t know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes…
Did I use Blokes correctly? I’m sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).
I just use salt, maybe a little powered stock of whatever animal I’m cooking so if can taste even more like that animal.
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
thatsthejoke
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat “meat eaters.” I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I’M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that’s LITERALLY what we are).
We didn’t become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
Spices in quantity are generally used to improve subpar ingredients. If you get top quality meat, it needs nothing but cooking. But most of us can’t afford top quality meats all the time.
I am vegetarian generally, but do eat meat once and a while when occasion calls for it.
Had some prime Wagyu beef in Japan and it’s very hard to beat. Definitely a top class product that’s impossible to o replace.
But generally, a lot of meat substitutes are just as good or better. Expectations are maybe a bit different, but I’ve never gotten bored of them. On the rare occasions I do have to eat meat, it’s usually disappointing.
Wrong. This is an idiotic, classist distinction that’s a relic of the British pedophile class. They decided they didn’t like seasoned food when seasonings became affordable for their victims. Pure classist bullshit. Enjoy your bland food though
You’re both going to massive extremes.
Some meats when prepared well benefit from minimal seasoning. Beef when cooked well doesn’t need more than salt, but some pepper and butter basting also brings the flavor forward.
If you need steak sauce, ketchup or anything like that it’s a sign you’ve likely not cooked it the best.Chicken however just doesn’t have as much to it, so you’ll hit a flavor ceiling a bit faster.
It’s not classism, it’s fat content and connective tissue. Less fat and there’s less potential “unseasoned yum”. More connective tissue and you need to cook it longer to make it not a chewy horror, which makes the fat come out.
High quality cuts of meat require less seasoning because we define meat quality by the factors that make it more palatable without seasoning.
It’s not about not seasoning food, it’s about seasoning it correctly for what you have. Big hunk of fatty meat with connective tissue? Perfect for stew because it sits in it’s own fat, and cooking for a long time in water turns the connective tissue into gelatin.
I pretty much add seasonings for the flavor and health benefits. Golden milk is delicious. I add tumeric, salt and pepper, if nothing else, but I also enjoy cardamon, onions, bay laurel, garlic, oregano, basil, cumin, mustard, cinnamon, ginger, lemon, tarragon and other mints. They all incidentally make good teas.
Hey, you do you. I’m not one to say your tastes are wrong.
Is the tumeric for your golden milk, or your general spice preparation? I wouldn’t normally think to put turmeric in my default list with salt and pepper, but I also wouldn’t normally associate onion and garlic with tea or milk.Me and lactose aren’t friends, so my milk tends to be “oat flavored” and rarely as a straight beverage.
It’s not classism
Except it is vestigial classism. It has an actual historical origin. It’s a completely ridiculous position.
I season my food, which is delicious btw, and so does the rest of the world outside of northern Europe. It makes sense because it tastes good. No historical baggage needed
It’s like you only read one phrase out of context.
It’s a completely ridiculous position.
That some food is better with minimal seasoning?
That the amount of seasoning you put on a food is somehow related to the nature of the ingredients?I season my food, which is delicious btw
I’m glad! I never said you shouldn’t. I said some ingredients don’t need it as much, or are better enjoyed with minimal seasoning.
and so does the rest of the world outside of northern Europe.
I’ll remember that the next time I eat sushi.
The classism came from the aristocracy making a display of wealth by choosing to ostentatiously eat the foods that benefit from less seasoning, and casting the others as “low class”.
That doesn’t make the method of preparation a relic of classism. It’s classist to say that a pot roast is low class, not to say a ribeye doesn’t need much to be delicious.Modern British food has a reputation as being unseasoned because we don’t call any of the seasoned dishes born of their empire “British”, and a lot of the other stuff got messed up by “island nation in a major war with prolonged food rationing”.
Remember that the flip side of the aristocracy avoiding seasoning to distinguish themselves is that everyone else didn’t.
Or I could just continue to eat plants, fungi, and spices, and be happier that I can get some of the highest quality foods at mostly the lowest prices.
Don’t forget to add rocks (salt) or else it won’t taste good, even if it’s quality.
That goes for vegetables too…
I disagree. I can eat fruits and veggies without adding salt or sugar. Meat without salt is awful though.
