(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
The only meat I like to eat pure is the flesh of my enemies.
I have no need to savor the taste of my superiority over a cow or turkey.
If you like meat so much, why do you eat plants and/or seasoning from the get to?
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
Spices in quantity are generally used to improve subpar ingredients. If you get top quality meat, it needs nothing but cooking. But most of us can’t afford top quality meats all the time.
Don’t forget to add rocks (salt) or else it won’t taste good, even if it’s quality.
That goes for vegetables too…
I disagree. I can eat fruits and veggies without adding salt or sugar. Meat without salt is awful though.
Or I could just continue to eat plants, fungi, and spices, and be happier that I can get some of the highest quality foods at mostly the lowest prices.
I am vegetarian generally, but do eat meat once and a while when occasion calls for it.
Had some prime Wagyu beef in Japan and it’s very hard to beat. Definitely a top class product that’s impossible to o replace.
But generally, a lot of meat substitutes are just as good or better. Expectations are maybe a bit different, but I’ve never gotten bored of them. On the rare occasions I do have to eat meat, it’s usually disappointing.
I don’t like meat substitutes because they’re never even comparable.
I love plenty of foods that aren’t meat, but the moment you try to replace meat you’re destined to fail.Best veggie burger I’ve ever had didn’t even try to be beef. Did nice things with texture that were totally unmeat like. Closer to a Japanese croquette, but more beans.
Some of the worst have been the most similar. Tvp with ground mushrooms for umami and such.Foods should be cooked in the ways that best show them off, not in ways that invite a comparison to a different food.
It’s like trying to use meat to make a banana free banana bread. Just… Don’t.
Wrong. This is an idiotic, classist distinction that’s a relic of the British pedophile class. They decided they didn’t like seasoned food when seasonings became affordable for their victims. Pure classist bullshit. Enjoy your bland food though
You’re both going to massive extremes.
Some meats when prepared well benefit from minimal seasoning. Beef when cooked well doesn’t need more than salt, but some pepper and butter basting also brings the flavor forward.
If you need steak sauce, ketchup or anything like that it’s a sign you’ve likely not cooked it the best.Chicken however just doesn’t have as much to it, so you’ll hit a flavor ceiling a bit faster.
It’s not classism, it’s fat content and connective tissue. Less fat and there’s less potential “unseasoned yum”. More connective tissue and you need to cook it longer to make it not a chewy horror, which makes the fat come out.
High quality cuts of meat require less seasoning because we define meat quality by the factors that make it more palatable without seasoning.
It’s not about not seasoning food, it’s about seasoning it correctly for what you have. Big hunk of fatty meat with connective tissue? Perfect for stew because it sits in it’s own fat, and cooking for a long time in water turns the connective tissue into gelatin.
I pretty much add seasonings for the flavor and health benefits. Golden milk is delicious. I add tumeric, salt and pepper, if nothing else, but I also enjoy cardamon, onions, bay laurel, garlic, oregano, basil, cumin, mustard, cinnamon, ginger, lemon, tarragon and other mints. They all incidentally make good teas.
Hey, you do you. I’m not one to say your tastes are wrong.
Is the tumeric for your golden milk, or your general spice preparation? I wouldn’t normally think to put turmeric in my default list with salt and pepper, but I also wouldn’t normally associate onion and garlic with tea or milk.Me and lactose aren’t friends, so my milk tends to be “oat flavored” and rarely as a straight beverage.
It’s not classism
Except it is vestigial classism. It has an actual historical origin. It’s a completely ridiculous position.
I season my food, which is delicious btw, and so does the rest of the world outside of northern Europe. It makes sense because it tastes good. No historical baggage needed
It’s like you only read one phrase out of context.
It’s a completely ridiculous position.
That some food is better with minimal seasoning?
That the amount of seasoning you put on a food is somehow related to the nature of the ingredients?I season my food, which is delicious btw
I’m glad! I never said you shouldn’t. I said some ingredients don’t need it as much, or are better enjoyed with minimal seasoning.
and so does the rest of the world outside of northern Europe.
I’ll remember that the next time I eat sushi.
The classism came from the aristocracy making a display of wealth by choosing to ostentatiously eat the foods that benefit from less seasoning, and casting the others as “low class”.
That doesn’t make the method of preparation a relic of classism. It’s classist to say that a pot roast is low class, not to say a ribeye doesn’t need much to be delicious.Modern British food has a reputation as being unseasoned because we don’t call any of the seasoned dishes born of their empire “British”, and a lot of the other stuff got messed up by “island nation in a major war with prolonged food rationing”.
Remember that the flip side of the aristocracy avoiding seasoning to distinguish themselves is that everyone else didn’t.
You probably downvoted one of the orbiting cult communities Jet polices and so he banned you from all of them. He bans anyone who downvotes those communities. Though now he does it by a proxy account these days by the looks.
Probably. I have had interactions with them in comments on posts before too. Oh well, anyway.
Banning for a single downvote seems a bit extreme lol
Extreme? He’s fucking nuts. His alts are nuts too, you can see him patting himself on the back in his stupid fucking communities
It’s strange because I’ve only had good interactions with them. They were very helpful and gave me advice regarding some health issues, and even took the time to research some stuff with me
Uh, just because they gave you advice doesn’t mean it was good advice. It is not wise to take nutritional or health advice from wannabe influencers.
I take advice that seems like good advice, and makes sense to me. Your advice seems like good advice, but applied selectively
Which advice was that?
(I didn’t downvote you) It’s just weird and frustrating that people choose a hill like that to die on. It is manifestly untrue that humans are carnivores. It’s just weird (and sorry for being a little heated in my earlier reply)
I remove my own upvote from my comments; it’s my own weird thing 😂
And no worries. I think food is one of those things that is extremely specific to each person. I’m sure most people would hate what I eat every day. I would describe it as “low-GI vegetarian”
It’s strange because I’ve only had good interactions with them. They were very helpful and gave me advice regarding some health issues, and even took the time to research some stuff with me
I don’t even BUY meat anymore! I’m a real man! A MAN’S MAN! I find animals in the wild and I chase them until thtye die of exhaustion and I eat it RAW! I have to get shots and medication to fight off prions and parasites like every other week BUT THIS IS HOW MEN DID IT IN MEN’S DAYS! I neither rely on the big production of meat or eating “plants” like some yuppie ass hipster!
THIS IS HOW MEN SHOULD BE! WE ARE HUNTERS or something, I dunno.
shoutouts to joe biden
Best of both worlds!
I’ve cut back on meat over the past couple of years, but I reserve the right to have a plate of chicken tenders when coping with emotional distress.
“Vegetarian + tendies” is completely valid.
I never liked chicken nuggets until going vegan, lol. The plant-based ones are amazing.
Truuue, fast food chicken is fake as fuck anyway, it has already been properly imitated.
Even better, when I feel as a lazy fuck I throw the nuggets to the microwave for 30s and eat them with ketchup. They aren’t “raw” so it’s safe to do so, suck it meat tendies you can’t compete.
You ever try any of the plant-based tender type foods? Even if I wasn’t already vegan, I’d still want to choose those over animal-based tenders just cause they’re that good.
I have! I like the MorningStar Farms ones with some sweet and sour sauce.
Those are tasty, and I appreciate that they tend to be a lower price than most other products.
In medical literature and studies, vegans are often described as someone who eats meat no more than once a month. :)
Sure, but that’s wrong and used for convenience because the terminology got muddled early on. That was the original definition (i.e., no eating animal products), but the Vegan Society who created the term changed it not long after (in the 1940s?) to include avoiding exploitation generally “as far as is possible and practicable”. That’s because veganism is an ethical movement that sees this exploitation as fundamentally wrong. There’s still a note about this original definition at the end, of course, because a dietary term is largely how it exists in the minds of non-vegans.
What you’re referring to is a plant-based diet(er) (or “strict plant-based diet” if you want to be really clear and beat marketing buzz). Calling a vegan “someone who eats meat no more often than a month” in the sense of how vegans use the term would be like defining someone who’s anti-dog-abuse as someone who kicks their dog at most once a month.
(Edit: Notably, “vegan diet” is used among vegans, but because it’s a diet that comes as a consequence of being vegan, not because following it makes you vegan.)
TL;DR: That’s a definition used mainly among non-vegans.
Valid, I also treat myself to a steak for my birthday
Hey, last I checked, you have omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans. Pretty much no one is purely carnivore. Besides, I’ve never heard of an omnivore complain about having to eat “plants” (spices), unless it’s a child who doesn’t like broccoli or something.
It didn’t occur to me until now that all spices are plant-derived (except salt, if you consider that to be a spice). I wonder if there are other planets out there where some spices are produced from animals.
There is actually a weird group of people doing a carnivore diet where you basically only eat animal products. Literally to the point of what the meme posted says of not eating like spices, or food cooked in olive oil. It’s wild lol.
I follow some of those people.
What I learned is you shouldn’t do it. Do you know what happens to your poop when you take out fiber from your diet? It just leaks out.
Others claim extreme constipation like 3 days. I don’t know if I believe that.
Oh hey, another Jordan Peterson fan! *fistbump*
extreme constipation like 3 days
Fun fact: this is not extreme. Extreme is more than a week. 3 days is the minimal threshold for constipation.
Everyone keeps saying “fun fact” dealin with 💩 info. 😂
Thank you for the info.
I’m laughing harder than is the poop of a fiber detested.
Fun fact, those two things go together. My oldest is autistic and needed several rounds of feeding therapy before he’d eat anything but Chicken Nuggets like 90% of the time.
if your constipation gets extreme enough your bowels start being unable to pull liquid out of what comes into them. So you go from being unable to poop at all to suddenly just having the still liquid stuff leaking out around the blockage being the only thing that can come out.
I’ll probably regret going there ….
But could this be a scenario where the cheapest chicken tenders are good? Is there any fiber to whatever they use for filler?
Omnivore or not, it doesn’t hurt to question how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really is or isn’t, when it’s not dressed up by so many other ingredients. People often assume that they could “never give up meat,” but in most cases when people do reduce or abstain from animal products, they find that animal flesh is actually the easiest thing to let go of. Dairy is usually the most challenging one.
how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really
Oh boy.
Every damn study we have, plus at least 800.000 years of human evolution cooking over fire:
- we should eat everything in moderation, balanced diet is varied diet.
That concludes any and all ted talks on should we eat animal products for health.
Now, the question then is: okay, then how much meat should I eat: about 300 gram* once or twice a week seems like the sweet spot. A little more if recovering from injuries. A little more if you’re growing up. A little more in old age if you notice you’re losing weight.
Source: idk, all the damn studies we make on large populations, e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2803089/
- Varied meat. Includes offal. White and red.
Sir, this is a shitpost
Damn, touche.
The only plant I put on a steak is a little black pepper. I put more rocks (salt) on it than plants.
I would even suggest an actual pepper steak. If not, a bit of horseradish is sometimes nice too.
Garlic, soy sauce, salt. Usually on a london broil, but that steak is SO good.
I marinate cheap flat iron cuts in a mix of ginger, garlic, soy sauce, vinegar, olive oil, and a tiny bit of toasted sesame oil. Better than anything I’ve gotten for a premium at a restaurant.
Beef steak’s proper function is as a delivery system for chimmichurri, since it’s gauche to just drink it straight.
remember folks. if you don’t put any herbs and seasonings on your food… there is a 100% chance you are British, stupid, or more likely both. British food should be renamed “Bland shit that gets served in a dying home” (dying home = those shitty retirement homes where people go to die alone with a meal plan that makes USA public school food look like $100k plate 5 star food cooked by the best chefs in the world)
WOAH OWAH WOAH
Reported for ableism, surely we cant go around accusing eachother of being Bri*ish
🤣
I didn’t know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes…
Did I use Blokes correctly? I’m sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
And, sugar is not a spice.
What about beans?
Nah, main ingredient.
Beans are the protein.
I like plant too. Why discriminate 🤷♂️
Before I took up veganism, someone asked me about my feelings on it once.
And this was pretty much my response. I’m not really that attached to food in general regardless.
My answer wasn’t satisfactory though, because later they complained that I needed expressively enjoy the alternatives we ate.
It’s like asking an atheist if they enjoy Christmas without the Christ stuff — I mean sometimes? Most of it isn’t Christian, you’ve just come to associate them.
Like yes, I still enjoy salt, fat, and sweet smoky flavours even if they’re not from warming body parts of dubious provenance in my kitchen? I’m quite happy to leave that part out, thanks!
[Some kind of body of Christ pun.]
Yeah basically.
I always knew that it was the flavoring I enjoyed, which came from the spices. Not judging anyone that does miss meat or other animal products, but for the most part I’m rather unbothered.
And obviously I believe in the cause, I’m not just doing it because I can.
To be honest meat, even the smell of it, has become very unpleasant to me these days. It all smells putrefied to me.
On the opposite side, why do vegans spend so much time and energy trying to make replacements of meat products? Not protein, but vegan sausages, vegan bacon, vegan eggs, that sort of thing. They’re trying to replace the very thing they gave up with something that looks and tastes like the very thing they gave up.
Generally the same reason people like to video games to emulate real life even if they do not want the games to be real
I am not vegan yet but if i could get the same identical culinary experience as meat minus the horrors of the animal holocaust industry. I will become vegan in a heartbeat.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
I don’t miss meat anymore because for many categories, alternatives have gotten good enough that eating them instead of real meat isn’t really a sacrifice for me, just a different version and maybe a brief period of getting used to it. I’m quite content with vegan chicken stuff and burgers and sausages for example, if the product is well made. Even some cheaper ones have improved a lot. Guess I’m lucky that I never was much into steaks and cheese.
The thing I do miss is being able to go into any restaurant without worrying if they even have vegan options. This might be a big reason why people don’t go vegan. But trying to eat plant-based if practical while making some exceptions would already be awesome. Even just asking for vegan options if there are none would help a lot if enough people did it.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
After 10 years I’m not sure anymore if I’ll eat cell culture meat, because eating real meat is just kinda strange/disgusting to me by now. But I’d be really happy if it became available for the people who do want to eat real meat.
It was a serious question. Thank you for providing a serious answer.
