• Asetru@feddit.org
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      28 days ago

      I have no idea who those people are and the trailer doesn’t help me the slightest bit to know what’s going on.

      • jve@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        28 days ago

        Hah yeah it really doesn’t, does it‽

        She is Elizabeth Holmes. Convicted fraudster responsible for Therenos which promised to sell miracle blood testing kits, but actually just got a lot of investor cash and conned a lot of people. Looking at this trailer, she still seems to believe her own crazy, but who knows.

        He is Nathan Fielder, I guess you’d call him a filmmaker comedian? His schtick is that he’s basically able to put people in awkward situations in a way that is frankly hard to describe for me. The Rehearsal and Nathan For You are both very very unique and hilarious, but not for everyone.

        I am unreasonably excited for this movie.

      • fake@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        28 days ago

        The woman is Elizabeth Holmes, the Theranos fraud.

        The film tho

        On September 6, 2026, You Can See Everything, an A24 documentary depicting Holmes in the weeks before she began her prison sentence, premiered in a surprise screening at the Telluride Film Festival.

        • Asetru@feddit.org
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          28 days ago

          The woman is Elizabeth Holmes, the Theranos fraud.

          The what?

          Just kidding, I just looked it up myself. She started a company with a product that didn’t exist… that’s all?

          The whole story reads a bit underwhelming. But I guess it was a big deal if there is now a movie about it.

          • fake@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            28 days ago

            Not really a movie, just some guy followed her around a bit before she went to prison. She isn’t inherently interesting, just I think people are fascinated by a twisted mind like this. Especially because the documentary/whatever apparently doesn’t paint her in a good light, and she still allowed it. Delusional from start to end.

            Surprised you’d never heard of Theranos before though. ColdFusion did a great short doco on it.

            • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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              28 days ago

              She’s also really representative of the tech world of the late 10s on. SBF was juicer in drama, but Holmes is wild in what she managed to get away with and how long it took before anyone noticed it wasn’t physically possible to do what she claimed

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              28 days ago

              People here missing that Nathan’s mind is probably just as twisted, but in a different way.

              This movie is going to be a trip.

  • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
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    29 days ago

    So I floated this video between LICSW and LPCC friends independently. All said she looked like she was in complete dissociation. The give away is apparently her voice?

    The smile looks fake, but thats a “passive distant smile.” As in she’s completely withdrawn into a protective state. Her eyes only focus on the DIRECTION of Nathan, not Nathan himself.

    Whatever happened prior to that clip caused her to severely dissociate.

      • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
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        28 days ago

        Two things can be true. And if this is dissociation, a challenge to her self-image could have easily done it.

        I found myself isolated to a relationship for 18ish years with one. I could write a book on narcissistic personality disorder. That’s why I sent it to my friends who are professionals in this. I thought I recognized it.

          • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
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            28 days ago

            Yep. It’s a trauma response, basically removes her conscious awareness to protect herself. Essentially prevents compounding exisiting trauma.

            Personality disorders run in families, but are almost always environmentally caused - abused parent with PD abuses child who develops PD. But even then, the abuse can be caused by others too.

            The little I know about her history - her family was obsessed with the status/wealth they were legacy to. Presumably, they could have traumatized her into believing wealth by any means necessary was the only way she would get the care her inner child needed.

            As part of that - the narcissist would then be completely enveloped in awareness of their image and how others perceived them. They accepted no flaw, and if they could not fix a weakness, they found a way to avoid that flaw all together. Their ENTIRE identity then revolves around something they project on to others. They withdraw completely when faced with something they cannot use cognitive dissonance and blame to avoid. That means they usually LACK self-identity at all.

            Its REALLY sad if you think about it. But the damage they do to other people isn’t ignorable. They are horrible in the way they treat and perceive others.

            • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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              28 days ago

              Yeah I have a history of disassociation as well (yay cptsd), but I’ve noticed a particular way it looks in cluster b folks, and it’s more clear the less healthy they are. (A friend who underwent enough dbt to have it be hard to tell she has bpd didn’t have the look at all.) I think it’s partly that they’re disassociating anticipatorally and in situations where they’re going in and out.

              And yeah BPD and NPD are really similar in a lot of ways. My father is a narcissist and he had a violent childhood that drove him to seek status and control. Very similarly the BPD folks I’ve got scars from had rough childhoods as well, even the one who lied about every aspect of her past. They struggle with identity and self care and struggle to deal with distress without disassociating or attacking.

              I’m sympathetic to cluster b folks, I’m incredibly grateful I managed to leave my childhood without being one of them. I wish them all great treatment and can be friends with many once they’ve gotten control of themselves and their emotions and are mostly asymptomatic. And I feel awful for the burdens their diagnoses and conditions leave on them throughout life. But also I can’t be the damage left behind in their wakes anymore.

              If anyone with a cluster b personality disorder is reading this or anyone reading this feels like they might have one, DBT works when you commit to it and do all the work. It’ll be slow and it’ll hurt, but it saves lives especially for people with bpd. It can give you the tools to stop hurting yourself and others. Those of us who’ve been hurt by folks with cluster b disorders want the people with them to heal and learn to stop hurting people.

              • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
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                28 days ago

                You’re last statement there is why I speak up about it. They can get help. They need to get help. For all the victims it can save. If these things are just discussed as blanket “sociopaths can’t be cured” then we just enable the abuse of more victims.

                • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                  28 days ago

                  Yeah it’s why I’m so vocal about it too. I’ve seen multiple friends deal with long term trauma from the same person. And I also watched them start improving, and they seem a lot better last I ran into them. But I do also want to call out that it’s also about saving their lives, because for all the damage done, I do want what’s best for them. Up to 10% of people with BPD will die by suicide, treatment in bpd focused therapy reduces the risk. NPD is less established in both risk and effectiveness (in large part because they’re way less likely to seek treatment or be honest with medical professionals)

                  But yeah, best of luck with your healing. Part of me really wishes there was a community on here for recovering from abuse by folks in the cluster b, parents, partners, and otherwise

  • Boozilla@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    28 days ago

    I sort of understand malignant narcissism and its early victims. I’ll never understand the suckers who fall for it again after it’s been clearly and publicly exposed. Idiots are going to give this POS more money for a new project, if they haven’t already.

    Edit: I’m not talking about Fielder. I’m talking about the inevitable investors.

  • Jax@sh.itjust.works
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    29 days ago

    Wait wait wait, that’s the real Elizabeth Holmes speaking with the real Nathan Fielder?

    Dude what the fuck is this timeline?

  • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
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    29 days ago

    Me watching the first part of the trailer: “Why is she wearing an expression as if she is wearing a mask?”

    My autistic ass after: “oh, fuck, she’s the bad guy”

  • djdarren@piefed.socialEnglish
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    29 days ago

    I saw this trailer the other day, and until a few minutes ago I had no idea it’s a documentary. Jesus christ, it’s going to be an incredible piece of work.

    • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      29 days ago

      In the trailer she comes across as a complete psycho. But not in the conventional way. She comes across as an unhinged narcissist pretending to be sickly sweet and kind. Probably because that’s what she is.

  • Insekticus@aussie.zone
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    29 days ago

    I haven’t seen the movie yet, but I can already tell she’s the monster.

    With those completely dead eyes and that humanesque make-up style that you see on hell-fled demons trying to fit into normal human civilization; it’s even trying to build a nest by luring in that unsuspecting man into its den with her spawn in that crib (probably to feed it when it hatches). It’s already scaring the shit out of me.