Infrastructure still has real-world costs.
It’s sad that the norm is to expect those in power will try to ruin lives as fast and as efficiently as possible. Just why… They have billions of dollars already… Why
I have a suspicion they put the gas turbines near those communities specifically to fuck with them the same way they bulldozed poor neighborhoods for roads
Well they probably are poor and thus have less means to defend themselves.
“black communities” …say no more, they’re fuckin’ SOL…
in one of the most racist state missisipi.
Mississippi black communities, not only are they SOL they’re about to be raided by local law enforcement.
I work in emissions monitoring and this is super illegal.
Specifically which part is illegal? Is it lack of planning permission? Is it an environmental law? Etc.
Its only illegal if someone prosecutes them. That isn’t going to happen before the purge.
Not really. If he has permissions for a temporary install, it is above board. He just needs to get a permanent permit before moving to a long term generator instead of temporary fixes.
Should the permissions have been blocked? Now that’s a diff question
So you’re just going to parrot Elon Musk’s public statement about why he doesn’t need permission? Get outta here!
He has more than 2x as many turbines than is allowed for a temporary install. The article makes it abundantly clear that these things are illegal.
Musk doesn’t have permission to do this, no matter what excuse he gives.
Since when has illegality stopped
parasitesrich people?While I hate being cold to peoples suffering, didn’t most of them vote for the face eating leopard party. They asked for their corporate overlords personal profit to be protected from their lungs, their environment, any consideration. They asked for billionaires to be above the law.
They are clearly being wronged here, there should be heavy fines, shutdowns and even jail time but my empathy is in short supply
Blacks typically vote mostly for Democrats while whites typically vote for Republicans. So black neighborhoods are commonly not getting representation.
Mississippi is about as Jim Crow as it can possibly be, so it doesn’t surprise me if white supremacist elected officials are pushed into office via gerrymandering, voter suppression and election tampering.
Yeah it was like 86% Harris from African Americans.
The other side of the duopoly would be doing the same, they both need to be removed.
People are downvoting because they can’t reconcile one side being better than the other with both sides being bad. Is sacrificing citizens for AI companies a partisan issue? Does the mainstream democratic party oppose the unsustainable construction of data centers and what happens to people near those data centers?
This makes me wonder what would happen if one would pour glass dust in the air intake of thos generators.
Prolly get filtered out. I was thinking cans of expanding foam (ie, "great stuff) with an m80 duct taped to it. Light it up, chuck it in.
I think the great stuff would do more damage then the M80, and would result in probably one less charge.
Is the m80 not to just make the great stuff leave the can?
I mean I assume the great stuff would leave the can after you huck it into the turbine, but if you’re worried it won’t be punctured, you could just duct tape down the trigger on the can before you huck it.
You might be right, maybe not. Let’s find out!
Implies they care about anyone in Mississippi.
Implies they care about anyone
in Mississippi.FTFY
people did that work, just because elon musk tells people what to do doesn’t mean those people should be exonerated from the consequences as well. the people doing the work sure as shit falls out there ass, know there was no permit. if there no permit, then why not a great fire ball in the night sky.
I agree, Elon is not at fault here. All he did was finance it with enough money to convince people to ignore the law.
Yea I’m not sure why this isn’t the normal way to think. The logic of “they are just doing a job and getting theirs” doesn’t hold up for everything so where is the line for these people?
Oh shucks i see you’ve signed up to drag me to the death camp! Not your fault! You’re just getting yours! Now let me be polite and handcuff myself!
We need to be more serious.
At some point participation is complicity but unless we make it hostile to work with, for, or in the interests of these inhuman monsters, people won’t know not to. Labour is not in a position to know what work is illegal or not.
Working for the wealthy needs to be seen as a threat against society. It’s deeply anti-social. We have no way to differentiate them in their range of evil, and they made it impossible to find out. So at some point, to protect the working, poor and middle classes, if you’re wealthy, you’re a threat. Don’t want to be treated as a threat? Give up your wealth and join the peasantry. We need to police our own to protect ourselves from the threat of wealth.
Yes. I’m pretty sure it’s a contractor’s job to get the permits. Is it not?
Not removing blame from Elon. Just smearing the blame around cause all those fucks are responsible
Why does it matter if the community is inhabitated my residents of a dark skin color?
- Are Lemmy users really that fixated on skin color?
- Are we in that need for upvotes and non-existant karma
- Do you want to spark controversial discussions?
Why did you do felt the need to mention “black communities”.
And don’t tell me it’s because you copy pasted the title of the source article or something.Beyond the angle already mentioned about Musk’s racism, black communities in the US have disproportionately been affected by polluting industries. It is worth mentioning when it happens yet again.
I understand your point but it is a piece of relevant information when Elon is considered
"These pollutants are proven to have adverse effects on the health of the people living within a five-mile radius of the source, and census data showed that the residents living in the affected area are predominantly black. "
If you watch Errol Musk’s interview about non white people in US, combine it with the knowledge of the type of similar asshole Elon is, it is not at all surprising that he knew the effects of such turbines and selected this location on purpose. It is not at all surprising that Elon would have an agenda where he tried to reduce non-white population because he thinks he is saving humanity by doing so. Ofcourse you can’t put in the headine something like “Elon, being a racist asshole, placed turbines near black communities” that is too biased and too speculative for news reporting. You can only present facts that are associated to this and let the reader decide. It is still biased and leading but atleast you allow the reader to form their own opinion to a much greater extend.
I understand your point
First reasonable response
but it is a piece of relevant information when Elon is considered
Both position (mine and you (+ seemingly the whole thread)) can be true.
Thanks for explaining your position.
The entire point of that is exposing his prejudices. I don’t know how you miss that kinda thing.
It has absolutely nothing to do with their Lemmy account, or the controversy.
Would it matter if it was near 100k white instead of 100k black residents?
No, 100k residents are actively being harmed.So you can’t read I guess.
Bruh.
Sure thing buddy. If that makes you feel better?I see humans. Not black, white, yellow, rainbow colored humans.
Minorities are oppressed and fucked with. That is for sure. Needing to call it “black” in a headline instead of “minority” is cloaked racism in of itself.
So you are ok with writing “… placed near oppressed community” but not specifying what group?
It mattered to Musk that there are Black communities to fuck with, so why not mention that.
Sure. But that’s not a headline thing that needs mentioning.
Instead it should be something like “In his racism fanaticism, Musk ordered XY gas turbines to be installed especially near residents (of a minority)”.
Can that can’t be proven to be actually cause of racism (it likely is).
But the other headline (currently being used) is also racial profiling.
They are just going to call it another “Sacrifice Zone” like they do the cancer alley in Louisiana arent they?
Some people just are expendable for progress, what can the country do?
Expendable for
progressprofits.
One man harming thousands. Sounds like a crime that would be punishable by death in olden times.
There was an incident in South Korea some years ago where a greedy developer built an apartment building with substandard concrete; the building later collapsed and killed a few hundred people. The guy was tried and convicted and as he was being frog-marched to his sentencing hearing, friends and relatives of the victims were coming out of the crowd and beating him while his escorts just looked away.
It’s really enjoyable to imagine that happening here in the US, but then it’s enjoyable to imagine winning the lottery, too.
People like this would be shot. People would group together and hire gunmen to get rid of criminals in the old west.
Of course their security was just a few body guards and that’s it. Nobody was living in high tech buildings separate from everyone else.
Vietnam would have had him executed by now
It’s still punishable by death! Not legally, officially, but very much in reality!
Sounds like just anothwr day in the USA
Im sure the American legal system will get those wheels of justice spinning on this in a few years.
No, but Julia Roberts and Meryl Streep will win hella Oscars playing the plucky white women who “take them down.”
training wheels of justice
My city finally got a court order against a billionaire for unpermitted building that allows us to bulldoze his house. Just took 7 years in court to get the ruling…
And instead of bulldozing the house, we were able to use the court order to strongarm them into fixing their site so it no longer damages the environment, their neighbors, or city infrastructure.
The upside for the city there (aside from having to bid out and manage a major project in-house) is that we get a lot more tax revenue from a house that is brought into compliance than a scarred, demolished site.
Musk will power those spinning wheels himself with his natural gas turbines.
/s
Time for hostile take over.
Remember that anthropic are renting this data center, and should be seen as just as responsible as Musk.
https://www.theverge.com/science/935229/spacex-anthropic-ipo-ai-capacity-deal-colossus
Also Musk is such a loser, he built and ran this giant polluting data center without knowing what to do with it, and ended up renting it out at what looks like a loss.
Along with any dipshit using AI to begin with. As much of a complete piece of shit as musk is (and he is a HUGE piece of shit), the end users of this shit share in the blame too. Any idiot using grok or whatever the fuck anthropic call their horseshit are culpable.
To a proportionate degree yes, but AI is being shoved down the throats of workers and subsidized by the companies providing it too. I have some sympathy for the clueless grandma, or the person who’s genuinely lost their mind thanks to this.
I have zero sympathy for the willfully ignorant. There’s more than enough information and evidence that this shit is horrible on many fronts, and anyone who has managed to ignore it is toeing into dangerously stupid territory. Making excuses for dumb assholes is how we’ve ended up with the stupidest cunts ever running things.
Dario Amodei is the one renting out the servers while pretending to he’s the Wholesome Ethical AI Guy. His behavior is nearly on par with Musk here.
I’m much more interested in him (behavior that’s extremely intentional, with the added slime of being deceptive and yet enjoying a ton of undeserved, fawning PR) than the average clueless Meemaw. Similar to many other trash systems, you have to look at the people maintaining the system, not the people using it.
