It’s not vandalism to put a nice opaque piece of cardboard on a solar panel. And no one seems to know how the camera got like that between the time the batteries died and when the technicians found it.
Then people need to start cutting them down
How can we claim consent of the governed when the governed cannot say no?
Electoral Democracy has four required mechanism: Ranked Voting, Lottery Option, Recall Mechanism, Randomized Districting. The United States does not qualify as a democracy. Few of the states, cities, and counties within it are even on the democratic spectrum with one of those mechanisms.
Happy 250th our government is illegitimate.
Correct. Just competitive authoritarianism at this point.
I’m fond of the phrase “electoral oligarchy”.
Did you vote for an oligarch?
No, we just vote for which person the oligarchs buy and own.
So it’s more of an electoral puppet show?
The electoral college did.
Typical. I grew up in Cleveland (not born there, I didn’t come from that shallow, murky gene pool), and it truly sucks, and one of the very worst things are the cops. They are literally the worst cops in the nation.
This is the city where three teen girls went missing for a decade. Turned out they were kept hostage in a house directly NEXT DOOR to one of the girls’ homes. They had interviewed EVERYBODY in the neighborhood, EXCEPT the weird single guy who lived right next door. After a decade of being raped regularly, one of the girls escaped and they all got free, no thanks to the cops.
It’s also where a psychopathic serial killer operated openly in a neighborhood, killing women and burying some of them in his backyard. Others just decomposed in his house. The neighbors complained about the stench for years, and also the blood-curdling screams, and the fact that he would try to grab women off the sidewalk in front and drag them into his house. Finally, a naked bloody woman burst out of the house screaming, and the cops FINALLY checked the guy out and found bodies everywhere.
Cleveland cops (and ALL the surrounding suburbs) are as bad as cops get in this country, and it was one of the primary reasons I left, along with the fact that Clevelanders tend to be pretty dumb, since all the smart ones leave.
And the weather really sucks, too.
But… But I have it on good authority that Cleveland rocks!
Not to mention the Cuyahoga river that sometimes just happens to catch on fucking fire from pollution. I seriously think that pollution fucks with everyone’s brains over there but here I am on the east coast where the East River, Charles River and the run off systems from Maine all empty into the areas some ¼ mile to a mile away from drinking water treatment facilities so… What the fuck right.
We’re all getting retarded drinking the water and then we can’t escape microplastics or cadmium, lead, mercury and chlorine forever.
This is America, the people serve the government.
The government wants its cameras on to monitor the inmates, who’s going to stop them?
Again, deflock shows where they are. Just start mobbing them and fucking them up, sledge hammers go a long way.
Cordless angle grinders work better. The UK has been fighting back for ages
A law should be passed, where people who blind a Palantir cannot be prosecuted.
One, well-aimed, shotgun blast.
I imagine a grinder with a cutoff blade would make short work of them? Lol
Keep your face covered.
And walk there.
And leave your phone and anything else that emits any kind of radio signal at home. Headphones, smart watch, bus pass with nfc, stuff like that.
Also keep your clothing plain and generic. They’re classifying with stickers and logos too.
Who cares about democratic decisions or the law in the US, anyway?
I have to wonder if it’s possible to fuck these up with a QR code bumper sticker. They are notoriously poorly designed.
Highly unlikely that any amount of significant processing is happening on-device. Wouldn’t be cost effective
You could piss off the company running them though, don’t these cameras use AI? Get some QR codes that lead to nepenthies traps full of their own AI generated images of nonsense license plates. Waste their money and poison their training data.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I approve. Do…whatever you just said.
people have been taking down the cameras itself.
Paintball markers.
Make Tippmann proud.
Lasers. You can get rather beefy ones that wreck havoc on any optical sensor.
I mean yes, true, but:
More dangerous
More expensive
Easier to track who purchased/likely owns one
More complex to use.
… if you get caught marking up a camera with paintballs… or frying it with a laser…
Which person do you think is looking at more potential fines and jail time?
Whats less expensive and easier to dismantle and throw away or otherwise dispose of?
A fairly decently powered laser?
Or a Tippmann 98?
Anyone who needs to be reminded of the damage lasers can cause shouldn’t be fucking around with lasers imo. Way too easy to hurt someone.
Idk, considering this is America and most peoples alternative would be a gun, lasers seem rather benign.
Just wear spectrum-matched eye protection, please.
Considering this is America and most people don’t actually own guns, your comment seems rather online
uh. i live in the bluest of states with the most centrist of liberal friends… and we all own guns. like. alot of them.
Your anecdote is meaningless when 2/3 of the country doesn’t own a gun. Turns out you can’t extrapolate a data point like that
the most centrist of liberal friends
Personally not something I would be bragging about but you do you I guess
So your argument is that unless a majority of Americans own guns, you’re not even allowed to correlate America with guns at all? What a dumb argument.
Nobody ever said that the majority of Americans own guns, they said that guns seemed like a more American solution than 1W+ lasers that could easily fry a camera from a distance.
Unless you have the numbers to suggest that more people have those kinds of lasers than the 100M+ people who have guns, then your point is meaningless.
At the end of the day this was an unserious suggestion to fire guns at utility poles made in jest towards a country with constitutionally enshrined gun rights and an unhealthy gun culture. Why be this uselessly pedantic about gun ownership statistics that nobody even mentioned or challenged?
You think in duality. You think in labels. Therefore you think ingroup/outgroup, and therefore you do not have developed the empathy skills to fully simulate “outgroup.” You can’t fully comprehend a person fundamentally different than you because of the möbiation of entanglement - which the Buddhists call defilement - ultimately creates dualistic dichotomy within the topological matrix of your mind, and therefore you will not notice the cognitive dissonance produced by that möbiation.
uh
Like, you can’t comprehend that there’s a person out there that doesn’t think like you at all, in both good and bad ways. It’s bizarre someone would even suggest these things to you. You scoffed at them, for you did not understand them with your underdeveloped empathy skill. Now go ahead and misinterpret what I just said so I can teach you further.
What a good way to damage your or other peoples’ eyesight
Only if you don’t know how to use them. They are safer than guns.
I’d be careful with that. Not sure how likely it is that the beam reflects and messes up ur eyes.
So there is a country with more guns than inhabitants, and they are afraid of a f-ing laser?
I once contacted their support cause I sent my “marker” in for warranty, they’re like oh yeah unfortunately your chunk of metal is um (probably in their museum) but nothing we can do for you except ship you our top of the line brand new model… Dang you guy’s really screwed me.
Tippmann really are the GOATs of just like… the ‘I like to go paintballing everyonce in a while’ demographic.
Yeah, yeah, other people make fancier pantsier shit… T98 is the goddamn AK47 of markers.
Maybe one of the actual last examples of American manufacturing one could actually be proud of.
They were definitely great when I sent them a used ProAm I had bought. Supposed to convert it over to a ProLight version, but I think they sent me a pretty much new marker, didn’t recognize any “old” parts on it. Haven’t played in years, but still have it stored away.
So the only thing that changed is that the area lost their own access to them at the termination date, but the camera companies still collect that data.
Sounds like the thing to do is take the cameras down
Other cities are just covering them in trash bags.
That city, Dayton, also being in Ohio strangely.
People should start snipping wires. Bags only stop visual surveillance
I started to write about covering, but I don’t know the full sensor suite and I assume they can still collect a bunch of data. That sounds good as a first step, though.
Just breaking them off sounds cheaper, more comprehensive, and more in line with demands.
Trash bags feel too much like natural gas was for going green.
You know, you could fuck with those too. Those sensors are passive devices. They don’t directly engage with what they are observing. Which means they cannot authenticate anything. There’s no challenge-response.
So I wonder how hard it would be to flood the blinded cameras with gibberish data.
Preferably after applying an angle grinder.
Since they are operating illegally, does that mean we can just take them? They have RAM.
they have RAM
Wait what?
And, I believe, those models have TPUs.
And huge amounts of copper.
Honestly probably more than my system has now.
I don’t think they’re operating illegally. It’s just the city is no longer paying them.
And who did Flock pay for the land usage to install the cameras?
In civilized countries The Flock Camera network is CLEARLY illegal.
My recommendation to USA is to strive to become a civilized country, before caring so much about every single detail that arise from not being a civilized country.
Americans are constantly focusing on the symptoms but never on the disease that cause them. Maybe because Americans are brainwashed to think the insanity going on in USA is normal.How is a paragraph consisting entirely of platitudes a solution?
“Americans are being spied on by their government and powerful transnational corporations despite the fact that they voted to show their disapproval.”
“Yes, well. Have you tried being civilized? 🧐”
No really, Americans are not even trying to build a better civilization, they are doing the opposite.
Building and improving civilization is a very well defined goal, of respecting human rights, respecting minorities and building a well functioning democracy and society.
Americans are doing none of that.Your failure to understand this, and failure to identify the problems and possible solutions is part of the problem.
The flock camera is not the problem but a symptom, and the problem is forgotten when the symptom is debated.
Americans claim individuality and personal freedom, but few developed countries have such disregard and lack of protection for the individual USA has.
Instead USA has freedom for the cooperations and agencies to fuck individuals over as they like.Edit:
Funny how this is downvoted, despite it’s obviously true, the American society has clearly degraded for the past 9 years.
And a couple of decades before that it wasn’t progressing as a civilized society like other developed countries either.Yeah I’m a US American, our culture is hot garbage. We’re inconsiderate, entitled, proudly ignorant, revel in violence, and hate poor people and minorities. I’ve lived all over the country. I’ve had good neighbors, but every neighborhood I’ve lived in has been exactly as I describe. Anyone that thinks I’m wildly off base here probably fits very neatly into the above categories.
Doubling down on the pretense was certainly a choice.
Guess what, little bro? We know. Some of us are out there actually fighting this battle.
“Some of you” are not Americans in general, as in the majority.
I also wonder why you feel personally attacked if you are not in the group I described?Me: “You’re being annoying and pretentious.”
You: “Sounds like someone feels personally attacked!”
We done?
Me: Making a point.
You: Whuaah Whuaah
Now we’re done.
There’s a lot of money controlling media propaganda, which brainwashes people. Or people are otherwise powerless. You could probably say the same about Russians in Putin’s Russia. Or Chinese under the CCP.
Brainwash nothing, you have to be a ponderously ignorant person and inherently mean enough to fall for the brainwashing. That excuse maybe flies the first term, at this point they’re genuinely indisputably bad people. They have agency. They choose this seeing everything you and I see. Fuck em all, if they all died overnight it would solve the majority of the earth’s problems.
Yes, the difference is that most people are aware it’s happening in Authoritarian countries like Russia and China, but forget that it’s also happening in USA.
I dont think they believe theyre under an authoritarian government either.
Ah, I see you haven’t met the tankie a on this site then yet.
Haha yes I have, what a bunch of idiots. 🤡
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Most of us voted for this by not voting for the literally only other viable candidate and most of us are too bitch pussy to nut the fuck up and own the consequences of our actions. That’s why most of us deserve what we’re getting. 75 million Americans don’t deserve this. The rest are getting what they voted for.
Harris has never even lied and pretended she is against the surveillance state or the military industrial complex. Did you want people to vote for Jill Stein? Write in Bernie during the primaries? You can vote for mask off fascism or you can vote for a respectable statesman who keeps the killing of brown people a bit quieter. How is that a viable option. Because you feel better stateside? Do you go on YouTube and comment on old Obama speeches about how you miss having a President who could speak in full sentences while he oversaw a campaign of mass terror, bailed out (FUNDED) global financial leeches, and did nothing to slow the consolidation of billionaire backed media and tech conglomerates because at the end of the day, he believes in this shit too?
So your solution is get the mask off fascism in power, congratulations you’re an accelerationist and thus about as serious as the average MAGAt.
I do not consider a teenager fresh to current events disagreeing with me on politics as much of a gotcha moment. If you’re older than I’ve guessed you should consider learning more before you try to transition into educating. If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere. But maybe there’s still pride at Target. Is that what you mean by viable?
If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere.
What about all those little girls who had their school bombed, would they be dead too? Would the various humanitarian aid ngos still be defunded, directly leading to unnecessary death?
What a lazy argument. Just because the obvious better candidate didn’t do everything you wanted, don’t vote for them, even if they do some things better. Since they’re not perfect, fuck them and let the fascist win. That’s literally accelerationism, you just don’t want to acknowledge the clear result of your position.
Building a civilization is harder than you think. You’re being lazy by not putting the work in to make things better.
Do you think all the forces at play that have led us here will magically go away after it all burns down? You’re either dangerously naive, stupid, or have an ulterior motive.
Tedious thread hijacking. There are whole communities of post after post for you to do this exact thing. Cant you go do this there?
What a joke. Harris, the ex-prosecutor who worked directly with police to send people to jail would have somehow banned these devices? Based on what exactly, the (D) next to her name?
These cameras are all over Democratic cities because they love surveillance too. Look how many stories about people wrongfully accused/arrested of crimes based on junk Flock data have come out of places like Colorado and California.
Furthermore Democrats are all on board with other mass surveillance laws such as the KIDS Act, requiring people to show ID to install operating systems or go online, which has a majority support amongst both Democratic and Republican legislators. Obama happily continued the PATRIOT Act, and the list goes on.
What a bunch of absolute nonsense pulled straight from your behind.
Yeah, that’s why you primary incumbents with progressives you fucking walnut. Participate in the fuckin conversation or go back to your accelerationist space. What you’re doing right here gets republicans elected, but that’s probably your goal anyway.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24 or use their wealth and power to crush progressive candidates like they tried to do in the NYC mayoral election. You’re dangerously naive if you think that the issue with these people holding us under their thumb is that they don’t have enough support from us.
You’re the accelerationist here because you’re the one demanding we turn our brains off and support the status quo and let them do as they wish. You’re being played like a fiddle.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24
This is exactly why people need to join the Democratic party to change it from within.
There are only 2 options currently, completely insane and less insane, joining the less insane to improve it is the better option.
Trying to change things from a third party is a fools errand, they will never achieve power as long as Republicans and Democrats agree on sharing it.
“viable candidate” and it was someone who was trying to appeal to moderate republicans that don’t exist. Now your party is getting all of your incumbents unseated in favor of socialists and all they’re worried about is how to sabotage said socialists so they can continue to do nothing.
And this right here is why Americans mostly deserve what they’ve got. And I’m the socialist taking over the party. If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now, but numpty fucks scream both sides and here we are.
If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now
Except the DNC goes out of their way to sabotage the campaigns of progressive candidates in the primaries and convince everyone that these people are “extremists who can’t win,” so that their right-wing members can continue to win elections and ignore the will of the voters since so many people like yourself are willing to vote for literally anyone just so long as they aren’t the other guy.
This is precisely why fascism took over because we have two parties controlled by fascists and people like yourself refuse to see the light and change your ways. You still think voting for the lesser evil today will somehow lead to candidates who aren’t evil in the future but that’s not how things work as evidenced by 250 years of our history and the fact that it makes zero logical sense.
The DNC knows that you will always compromise your supposed beliefs in order to make the other guy lose therefore they have zero reason to ever do anything for you. Republicans do the exact same thing and thats why they’ve both held on to power all this time despite nearly everyone hating them both. You’re just feeding right into their game.
You’re an acceleration actively advocating for the destruction of the nation, who gives a fuck what you fuckin think? Fuckin ruspublican propagandist motherfuckers all over this garbage ass platform, making fucking redditors look intelligent. And stop using an LLM to write your comments. This fucking place.
You wanna talk about propaganda? How about your assertion that the Democratic party is the only thing standing between us and the destruction of the nation when we can all see with our own eyes that they are more than happy to help push forth Trump’s agenda. You sound like a MAGA Republican who drank too much koolaid.
You had 13 big names in your party saying they’ll spend more time fighting the socialists than the actual fascists. And people ARE voting for progressives in primaries exactly because the incumbents have been doing exactly nothing. The incumbents wouldn’t be getting primaried if they weren’t so similar to the Republicans to the point of collusion.
Oh no 13 out of 257 members of the big tent party… And we still got a bunch in the primaries. Give your balls a tug.
20% of the democratic party is progressive. Whats your big plan to win any election ever again without them? I would have thought losing the last election would teach you chuckleheads some simple math but here we go again.
How many more DNC cashouts/betrayals can the country handle before either the government collapses or we descend completely into fascism? Why arent the centrists dems DOING THEIR EFFING JOB never a possible discussion topic for people like you? God forbid we have a concrete party platform and have any expectation that anyone follow it, right? That might mean fewer donations from special interests and foreign nations.
You proved most of you are brainwashed last elections. So be mad at yourself, not people pointing out the obvious.
False. Learn how the elections actually work.
Do you mean like in 2016 when people stayed home and trump won by the electoral college, or 2024 when even more people stayed home and he just barely won the popular vote too?
Or is there something other than ‘people actually need to vote strategically in the general or deal with the fascist winning’ that we need to learn here? Because they’re right - people were brainwashed and due to their (lack of) voting choice we let him have power again. Too many people chose to stay home instead of voting for the viable candidate who could have kept this shit show (that literally everyone) saw coming.
Yeah, the candidate we had available didn’t get a primary and was less than ideal. But that choice would have been objectively better than what we have now. Too many thought getting less than nothing was better than that, so here we are. Instead of having a chance at influencing the government, we handed the reigns of justice to a fucking dictator wannabe.
Maybe the party will learn a different lesson from the left abandoning them other than the same lesson they’ve taken from it for the last 50 years. Clearly, this methodology is a working one…
It was not the workings of the elections that allowed Trump to win, but it is a flawed democracy that is guilty of granting him way to much power.
A parliamentarian system of many parties forming a government is a better system, but Americans can’t be excused for electing Trump just because their democracy is flawed.
Are you seriously claiming that Americans aren’t brainwashed. 🤣🤣🤣
Just making that claim, probably means you are more brainwashed than average, because most Americans are 100% aware they are brainwashed by propaganda by corrupt media and politicians EVERY FUCKING DAY!
For instance FOX News is one big propaganda channel, no better than the worst in either China or Russia.
But this propaganda is far from limited to just Fox News, most news channels in USA are propaganda channels owned by the 1%. And of it permeate all of American society, so they for instance think sociopathy is a virtue, so enough voted for Donald Trump for him to become president, and half the population didn’t vote!Removed by mod
If all you Americans converted even 1/10 of this energy to hucking bricks at fascists you’d be out of this mess by now. Sorry for the pseudo fed comment, but I hate to see y’all fight when the real enemy is plain as day.
Dude nearly half of Americans are openly fascist at this point. And most of the rest will look the other way while the fascists kill people like me.
I’m aware.
I don’t think so, you don’t seem to be.
Hey how about you just stop making demands that you neither have any right to or any power over?
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Hey how about you just stop making demands that you neither have any right to or any power over? It’s just a suggestion.
You thought the world was gonna just go back to laws being obeyed?
Liberal Democracy has always been like this. You can vote for what business wants to prove it’s popular. But a vote against is “mob rule”, so it gets ignored
I guess the only solution is to kill the cops. 🤷♂️
I will not shoot a cop. However, I won’t call for help as he’s mauled by the neighborhood methhead either. Out of fairness of course.
You could buy extra meth and get him in the mood to be a hero.
I mean, everything has an LD50 dude
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