• DeckPacker@lemmy.world
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    Um no, that is not what the “left” thinks.

    There are a lot of radically different “left wing” ideologies. The quote, you claim to be left wing could probably be attributed to social democrats, maybe socialists, although not really. And that quote doesn’t really represent a good summary of what they believe.

    I, for example am pretty far to the left, I am an anarchist. I believe, that all forms of unjust hierarchy are a bad thing, be it a companie’s CEO or a government and I advocate for flat hierarchies and the organization of society via specialized assemblies. And of course the ownership of workers of the means of production.

    So, I guess I would agree with your quote, as I am against exploitation from the government and from billionaires. I just think, that corruption is the wrong way to look at it. The way, capitalism is going right now is not corruption in the sense that is an “error” in the system. Nor is it the fault of individuals or a group of people. It’s just that capitalism is set up in a way, that it naturally produces and needs these crisees, like faciasm to once again violently reinforce itself and live on. Capitalism will inevitaly lead to concentration of wealth, because of the power imbalance between worker and employer. And this leads to imbalances in power, which you could call corruption.

    So, in summary, your statement could be considered leftist, as that is pretty close to what leftists believe. It’s just that a lot of leftists go a bit further and analyze the issue on a systemic level rather than an individual one.

    Also, the right is not authentically against governmental corruption, look at them cheering on ice raids or the war in Iran. Wanting to spend more money in state violence is the most “pro-government” thing, I could think of.

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    Corrupt billionaires controlling the government in a fight to hoover up every last penny of the entire population of the earth are a substantial problem.

    The majority of the right doesn’t actually care about corruption as long as they see it benefiting them, or hurting the ‘other team’. It doesn’t actually need to benefit them it can even hurt them substantially, as long as it hurts the other side more and they are told they could have an advantage due to it.

    In the end, the left politicians are as into the corruption as the right, they’re just better at lip service and nothing is going to change.

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      They don’t really have to try anymore. Anyone who eats propaganda of one side wants nothing to do with the other.

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    Fun fact! The picture of the girl in this meme comes from this video, (relevant portion about 3 minutes in) in which she’s by far the calmest and most reasonable person involved. She’s not even angry, she just has kind of an expressive face, and she looks like that for all of exactly one frame

    Some psycho combed through this video frame by frame to find the least flattering picture of her possible. Rightoids need to die out man

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    Billionaires aren’t corrupt, they’re ethically bankrupt; they’re the corrupt_ors_.
    Government officials are corrupt because they’ve been corrupted by the billionaire corruptors.

    Getting rid of the billionaires solves both problems at once.

    It’s always funny to me when people say to put the billionaires in charge, it’s always just like

    The farmer is doing a bad job because they just let the fox into the henhouse, so instead we should put the fox in charge of the henhouse. The fox is best suited for the job because they have a lot of experience with hens and they know all the problems with the henhouses.

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    I think that must be the most cold take anyone has ever had in the entire history of thinking. There were mollusks who already understood this. This isn’t news to anyone.

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    I just read that the English government is considering a Law that forbids politicians to lie. I actually thought that was the whole starting point of politics but somewhere down the road clearly they must have noticed that no-one cared, so they finally made sure we’d care.

    A lil disappointing on the progression charts of evolution, but hey! We now can move on.

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      We have truth-in-advertising laws, and political campaigns are nothing more than marketing/ promotional/ advertising campaigns, so those laws should apply. If someone is making claims that are demonstrably false, their campaign should be ended, and their entire campaign fund confiscated, and they should be prohibited from ever holding office again.

      They’ll learn real fast.

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    Keep the masses busy with UFCs fights and fighting each other while getting away with raping babies. A playbook as old as history can remember.

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    The left also thinks corrupt government is a problem

    Meanwhile the right proudly advertises their love for corrupt billionaires

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    This is in fact incorrect: the right doesn’t say corrupt government is the problem The right says trans kids and brown people are the problem. Because the right is dumb as a fucking brick, and the billionaires managed to brainwash the dumb right into hating someone other than themselves.

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      The most terrifying words from in the English language are: “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

      Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.

      – Senile retired actor mouthpiece for the ultra-wealthy

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        Senile retired actor mouthpiece for the ultra-wealthy

        …who was voted in based on a single issue campaign. The anti-abortion-access movement convinced their flock that abortions were literally as bad as killing babies, and Falwell successfully created a voting block based on that one issue. That base didn’t realize it came with massive deregulation, and they weren’t smart or knowledgeable enough to care.

        Reagan was the beginning of the end. I was fourteen when he was elected.

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      It’s an issue with definitions. When the right says the government is corrupt, they mean socially corrupt. When the left talks about the corrupt, they mean fiscally corrupt.

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          My favourite logical fallacy is this: big, democratic government having control is bad, there’s too little oversight and too much corruption. Therefore, it is better if a billionaire, who rules autocratically without any oversight, is better.

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        The right thinks that people are socially corrupt. Not the government. They think the government shouldn’t enable that corruption. But when it comes down to it, they hate people. They don’t hate institutions.

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        The right wanting to eradicate minorities has nothing to do with fiscal corruption. It’s just pure evil.

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      The “right” isn’t a monolith anymore than the “left”.

      While it manifests in different ways the American “left” has been just as willing and happy to sacrifice brown, trans, woman, etc. persons because they are equally dumb and brainwashed.