Who’s going to buy their products and services when there are only two classes, one that doesn’t need them and one that can’t afford them?
Products are being created for rich people. Poor people are being cut out of the economy.
There’s already a lot of evidence that the majority of the economy is currently functioning off the economic activity of the upper 10% of society. That 10% accounts for 50% of all economic activity. They just want to take it a step further.
That is exactly it. Trump is creating a global economic recession too. Nowhere will be fun for the epstein class.
It would be cool to remove the need for everyone to work jobs they hate just to survive though.
The frustrating part is that a significant amount of that might already be largely technologically and economically possible at this point, but not as long as some people are hoarding 99% of the world’s wealth, and brutally exploiting at least the poorest 80% of the world’s population in their endless quest for more.
It has to stop.
Sure but the system would only work if the rich agreed to pay for our expenses via taxes. Don’t expect it anytime soon.
Why do they have a choice?
AI oligarchs don’t want to replace anyone.
They want businesses with money paying them huge subscription fees, and they want lock-in so that all businesses out there depend on their tech to continue to function.
It’s the same model as we saw with streaming video.
They couldn’t care less about the working class, one way or the other, which is part of the problem.
The “ultimate question” is: do they really just want a whole lot of people to die? They bluster around the topic like that’s a question that you just don’t ask, but when you boil away all the BS, what’s left is: are you saying that you’re going to lock people out of any possible way to feed themselves and their children and just “let them figure it out for themselves”?
Yes. That’s where the white supremacist eugenics comes in. They literally think they’re genetically superior and those they deem inferior should die. That’s why too many billionaires have like 10 kids nowadays. It’s weird christo-fascist “replacement theory” shit.
They literally think they’re genetically superior
You must remember one thing. The 1% are called the 1% because we are the 99%.
So when we’re left to “figure it out for ourselfs” in a life or death situation, historically speaking the end result is revolt and revolution.
Oh, but that won’t happen this time, the elite control all the cannon, most of the muskets, the army is overwhelming, the peasants are weak from malnutrition, they’ll never succeed in a revolt, they’d be fools to try.
The scenario I’m saying is they either succeed, or they die. Why would they be fools for trying, if they’re going to die otherwise?
Honestly?
I think AI replacing office workers is just a pit stop till AI can operate kill drones…
Billionaires are 100% asking themselves if they really need us, and the fucked up thing is if robots can grow their food, produce their goods and shield their compounds from us…
They don’t need us. At that point theyre gonna want to get rid of us for the space if we can’t make them money, and where were headed we won’t be able to.
They “need” a small buffer population that enjoys the oligarchs protection from us, but are loyal because they can be killed/exiled at any time.
But 99.9999% of the world population, they’re probably ok with killing off already.
If not, they definitely will be once they squeeze every last ounce of resources out of us and the planet starts really dying. They’ll even convince themselves it’s “for the greater good” to save the planet they killed making their billions.
They’re just gonna keep getting crazier, there’s no logical reason to think the trajectory or acceleration will change. Eventually it’ll be a literal class war unless we prevent by taking our resources back.
Wow someone who actually gets it
Correct. AI drones that can kill is the goal here.
No doubt about it. There IS no logical reasoning the trajectory will change.
But try to inform the population…
Eh, there’s like five other catastrophes between now and then…
Right now it’s 100% an inevitability, but if we fix the shit that will fuck us before that does, we can just fix that at the same time.
Like knowing eventually the sun will run out of helium causing it to grow in size and destroy the entire planet. It sucks, but we got more pressing matters.
Don’t waste energy warning people about Skynet, focus on getting rid of billionaires. If we just stop the killbots, the oligarchs will just kill us a different way.
Killbots just leave a better planet behind than nukes or viruses
heliumhydrogen. its currently fusing hydrogen to helium, but because its a fairly average size star, it will be unable to then fuse the helium into later fuels (carbon, neon, oxygen, silicon). so it expands, sheds off its outer layers and becomes a white dwarf, cooling down until its at ambient temperature as a black dwarf.
Edit: so a sun sized star can use helium as a secondary fuel, fusing it down to carbon after a helium flashover (but thats not where our star is at right now). the resulting white dwarf will be a combination of helium, carbon, oxygen and trace amounts of other elements.
Right now it uses hydrogen, some day that runs out.
Then primary will be helium, and shit will suck but we can probably maintain life on Earth… But Mars would like be in flames.
Then the helium burns off, and a heavier element becomes primary fuel.
At that point, the flames of the sun likely extend out to the Earths orbit.
I skip steps sometimes and like I said, long enough timeline.
But you skipped the entire “red giant” step…
Before it can become a white dwarf, it’s gonna barbecue our entire planet as a red giant…
yup. agreed on your timeline.
I’m not sure how you think they aim to achieve that business lock-in, but many of us suspect it’s by offering a product that replaces workers.
no. like, the term “working class” can be interpreted in two ways: (1) people who are inherently workers, (2) people who are forced to work to survive.
which one is being replaced?
Neither & both. Currently, the entire deck is being reshuffled. It’s a Schrodinger moment for humans.
The current state of everything could easily be avoided if we didn’t exist at all, or at least (in theory) never did to begin with.
It’s a Schrodinger moment for humans.
who you truly are, you can only find out, if you look inside!
Exactly, gold star for this one!!!
heh, somebody gets my references ^^
I don’t mean to lead you to
friedrichfret, but sometimes references can be a bitNietzscheniche. Not everyone has the capacity to Pavlov a mint reference.
Yeah love Bernie Sanders but sick of him constantly for us to continue to work to live. He should be fighting for UBI, not just against AI taking jobs. Because goddammit I hate working to survive.
Bernie Sanders: I think that as a nation we should be deeply troubled by the fact that we have more people living in poverty today than ever before and that millions of seniors are finding it difficult to survive on about $1,200 a month from Social Security. I think we need to take a very hard look at why real income has gone down for millions of Americans despite a huge increase in productivity. In my view, every American is entitled to at least a minimum standard of living. There are different ways to get to that goal, but that’s the goal that we should strive to reach.
https://www.scottsantens.com/on-the-record-bernie-sanders-on-universal-basic-income-ubi/
Just to repeat it for the obtuse: UBI doesn’t mean “permanently sit around on your ass doing nothing” either, because that’s a horrible existence (as proven in the generational welfare state…) UBI is about a safety net, negotiating power, and ending the nanny state rectal probes over every penny they “hand out.”
Given a choice, the vast majority of people will seek out social validation - and in today’s world that’s most commonly found through work - occasionally volunteering - but more often the real feelings of self-worth come from knowing that the people you hang out with all day aren’t just tolerating you, they actually want you there, appreciate you as a person or for what you do or more often both. And that’s what the paycheck does: reaffirm your personal value.
On the other side of things, with (sufficient) UBI they really can end minimum wage and many other “employment guarantees” that de-value that validation of knowing you get to keep your job because your job wants you, not because they’re forced to take you.
Who here enjoys working in a situation where your employer / coworkers don’t want you around?
Who here enjoys interacting with people who are only doing their job because they have no other choice?
Who here thinks the world would be a better place for everyone if we reduced and eventually eliminated those situations?
Even if you drop out of society & move to the forest, you’ll still have to “work” to survive.
By yourself, you’ll have fire to maintain, food to gather & hunt, shelter to procure or build.
With others, it’s up to those who do to support those who are. There’s a great responsibility to society, but this doesn’t have to mean “work”.
It’s all “work”, though. At least for now. Mowed lawns or grocery shopping, we’ve adapted to a society that takes advantage of the majority for the comforts of the few. Humans have simply “evolved” into being allowed to be dictated by the top of the food chain: capitalism & bureaucracy. Industrialized fear controlled rolling beasts. Microwave users.
Bernie is a template, we need a young aggressive what’s the word, ambitious leader that knows how to build and run a political machine.
As to the Ubi, get the fuck out of here, what world do you think we’re living in that that would be possible and remain viable even if it was implemented.
UBI isn’t viable without other changes, but it’s just an improvement of various welfare systems, just without all the paperwork and exceptions. “Too expensive” is usually the excuse thrown around, which is funny given the news of how much killing or disappearing people is costing, all because some person in the White House needs a distraction.
Sure, but it’s not going to happen, and if it did it would quickly devolve into shutting undesirables out. Maybe we should work towards achievable goals first.
If we take that approach with any change, that it might be possible but it also could fail or become corrupt, then we’re just going to spin wheels. Like we’re doing. We have to change something, this isn’t working.
thank you :-)
i feel like this message is finally getting through. many people say “work is good” because they think it “purifies character” or sth, which is a very christian/boomer thing to say.
Work is good.
Forced work is slavery - and I think most of the world figured out how bad that was about 150+ years ago.
Sanders is currently obsessed with this idea that AI will take everyone’s jobs. It’s all he posts about on social media.
I think it’s unfortunate that he is so laser focused on this, because AI doesn’t really work as well as it’s being hyped. And it’s turning out to be more expensive than using human beings in a lot of contexts. A lot of businesses are using it as a cover story for layoffs, so they don’t have to blame their own poor decisions and leaderships. “Oh, it wasn’t my fault profits were down, it was the AI!” But instead of digging deeper, he’s just buying into and repeating the hype.
What he is really saying is they are going to kill you one way or another economically at first and then when they get the tech right. Their army of drones/robots. He can’t just say that outright to this population.
He got sold a bad narrative about AI by a guy who runs an AI doom cult in the Bay Area. (The cult leader also got funded by the same industry. Go figure.)
With that in mind, what he took away from those meetings isn’t great, but it’s the best possible result of them.
I think its more about “meet the people where they are at”. “AI” is in the zeitgeist and is useful as a focal point for the fact that its a really small club and you ain’t in it.
Sadly, Bernie is - and always has been - just a politician. One of the few good ones, but still out there playing the popular angles. AI taking everyone’s job is the popular angle of the moment.
Someday, history will look back at Sanders as an evil evil man. Not because he was/is an evil man, but because his messages flies in the face of what billionaires want. So when they falsely write how evil Sanders was, it will be just as false as how the south tries to paint John Brown in a villainous attire.
History will remember him as a sheepdog that lured disenfranchised voters to the polled to keep them herded up in the duopoly with promises of eventually having a seat at the table
