Apparently there are some super addictive additives in these marijuana vapes. Best to avoid them.
edit : sourceI’m not saying you’re wrong, but that article is just typical fear mongering BS. It keeps the eyes of parents glued to the screen and consuming ads. Doesn’t even say what “spice” is. Articles like this are basically broiler-llate and come out every few months. Notice how they manage to blame social media, and how they don’t mention any adults using it at all.
I found the wikipedia article on these things more useful and less biased. Spice seems to mostly refer to a designer drug that is similar to THC, but is not THC. And while it is often used to lace marijuana or mixed with weed vapes, it isn’t just weed.
It’s like hearing about people adding PCP or LSD to weed and freaking out about how dangerous weed is. Like… Yeah you shouldn’t buy drugs from some random guy on Snapchat.
Yeah. Spice/synthetic full cannabinoid receptor agonists are honestly terrifying and have such dramatically different effects from legit cannabis.
That’s why buying a legit vape from a dispensary and not a gas station is important.
It is why in Canada the government was so adamant that vapes here are 100% cannabis, well that and a fear of popcorn lung.
weed
popcorn lung
You trying to make potheads cannibals?
yeah, if you’re going to use carts stick to reliable vendors. idk anything about spice, but popcorn lung is a legit worry.
Vitamin E isolate is a wild thing to put in vapes. At least with nation wide legalization we can hold legit vendors liable.
yeah stick to dry herb or edibles if you can. healthiest ways to partake
Welcome to my thoughts after my (adult) stepson gave me one of the infused joints their biodad got them for Christmas.
…well, the day after I smoked it anyway. What I actually thought during was “Well, since I’m obviously going to die tonight the beanbag chair isn’t such a bad place to do it.”
Had a conversation with my stepson afterwards where they said they were smoking very infrequently due to how it impacted their anxiety. I said “Well yeah, you’re not smoking weed, you’re smoking joints that can’t actually kill you but try their damnedest anyway. I’ve had mushroom trips that were easier on the ol’ noggin.”
I’m on my third year of growing my own weed. This years harvest was purple satellite from humbolt seeds. I use a dry herb vape and roughly consume 0.15g to 0.2g in a small canister. It’s almost too much. I’m a life long smoker and this shit is so strong I almost didn’t enjoy it sometimes.
I just want the tiniest hit. I don’t even want to do more than a 2mg edible unless I want to have anxiety.
Everything’s too damn potent & I have 0 tolerance. I’m trying to chill but instead I’ll just get a panic attack from hitting it too hard.
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Looks like an old thumb drive to me.
Source : Trust me bro, p. 24, University Of California Press, 2015 I would love to read a thesis written by this dude
Really though. It’s crazy how much high is at your fingertips these days. Back in the day you had to buy weed and usually roll it into a joint or blunt, or at the very least pack it into a bowl. And either way it was getting smoked. Maybe you had a brownie once in a while if someone you knew was making them.
Us IT nerds at university made a makeshift vaporizer out of an end table, an air mattress compressor, a steel ashtray, a soldering iron, some sort of wire mesh, a large glass bowl, and some aquarium tubing.
I’m really enjoying my vaporizer. Confusingly named because it’s very different that a vape. Basically you load real weed into it, not oil, and it heats its just enough to get you high without smoking. Feels much healthier on the lungs than a regular joint.
If anyone is looking for this, they call them “dry herb vaporizers” these days, to alleviate confusion.
And they are good
I’ve tried a few and never had much luck, don’t seem to get proper hits. I stick with the vape carts although it’s concerning to see an increase of disposable ones making e waste, I have several rechargeable batteries at home and don’t need a new one every time
there are a lot of shitty dry herb vapes. i hate to recommend reddit, but the vaporents sub had a good list of reliable brands on their wiki. I have a couple Firewoods (my Firewood 9 is my daily driver (it has cherry wood around the vaping chamber and it smells amazing, but i am a wood dork), I use my Firewood 5 when the 9 needs maintenance which is like once a year at most) and they are both phenomenal. They are selling the Firewood 11 right now (you can get gorgeous wood covered stems i want one so much) and if i wasn’t completely satisfied with my 9 i’d be buying one. Dynavap is a good place to start if your budget is tight.
I’ve had much better luck with the ArGo compared to the PAX
Hell yeah, this is the best way. Full spectrum natural effect without combustion.
It’s gotta be one of the only positive bits of progress the US has had since 2001. I don’t even smoke (combust) anymore. I got one of these a few years back and never turned back. It’s incredible. I haven’t bought flower in like 5 years.
It’s a consequence of weed being illegal. If you need fewer grams to get high (because it has higher THC content) you can sell less weed for the same money which makes smuggling it much more cost effective.
I’d argue it’s actually the other way around, as someone who partakes in a legal us state.
The “old weed” stories told to me by old timers was often whatever trash you could get ahold of. You didn’t get a choice, whatever wet, stemmy-ass baggies your local dealer was passing is what you got. Sometimes you got zonked, sometimes it was mild and pretty “meh”.
Nowadays all the legal states have tightly controlled commercial growers making flower from carefully propagated genetic lines, optimized and controlled indoor environments, taking lab tests of every batch. Since what legal dispensaries list on the wall is the THC%, thats basically the marketing number that they try to maximize. These commercial growers make so goddamn much they end up dumping product everywhere, and even though “it’s illegal” this industrially strong weed gets exported to every other nationwide black market.
Couple that with all the different forms of distillates you can buy right off the shelf, there is more raw THC available to the modern stoner than there was to anyone else in history.
OP’s commenter probably took a solid hit expected an old weed joint puff, but got their lungs jackhammered by 40 years of pure industrial optimization.
Eh, I’d argue the current industrial practices in legal markets are geared to the consumer base that experienced a trend that started with the black market. Most places didn’t go from mexi-brick to legalized industrial weed. It went mexi-brick -> homegrown -> Emerald Triangle style shit of increasing potency -> legalization.
There’s still a market for the milder stuff (👋), but if your bread and butter is chronic smokers with high tolerance who used to smoke shit trafficked from California or BC or what have you, you’re gonna focus production on that market.
My kingdom for a good ol’ fashioned White Rhino at average early 2000s potency. Could just be nostalgia talking but that always seemed to be a right on the button experience for me (relaxed but no couchlock, silly thoughts, nice flavour profile, good times all around).
Yeah, the Mexican dirt weed I used to get as a teenager, you could smoke half a joint by yourself and be buzzed.
I quit when I was 18, but then I moved to a legal state and I took one puff and was legitimately stoned for the rest of the day. Like, could barely control myself.
The modern stuff is super strong.
Okay but as someone who has smoked both before and after legalization, it’s true that you had to take what you could get, but shortly before legalization, while it was still illegal, is when concentrates took off. Part of the reason is that if my friends and I went in together on a big buy of flower that turned out to be weak, we would just turn it into concentrates and/or hash. The lack of selection fueled the use of concentrates.
The same(ish) thing happened a long time ago in North Africa with dukkah when nicotine was illegal, just like moonshine a century ago in the US. When something goes underground, concentrating the drug happens. It’s almost inevitable.
was legitimately stoned for the rest of the day. Like, could barely control myself.
Okay, seriously. Does this actually happen?
I hit a 84% thc vape from Michigan today, and after about 5 minutes felt nothing. 3 8 second drags until the vape auto-shutoff each time, and I feel it for about 30-45 minutes.
If I want to be stoned literally all day, I have to be hitting the vape at least every 30-90 minutes depending on how hard I hit it.
I usually don’t even feel edibles until I’ve had 30-50mg.
I’m genuinely curious how much it takes for other people to get high, and how they experience it. I feel like I’m missing out.
Hi, im an insufferable cannabis and science nerd, chiming in:
Your reaction to edibles is based on the amount of cytochrome p450 enzyme that you have in your liver. When you combust cannabis, the thc is converted to delta9thc which is what gets you high. It’s why you cook weed before you eat it. When you eat weed and process it through your liver, it then converts to hydroxy11thc, by means of enzymes, and you digest it, which is why it takes longer to feel high from edibles and why it feels different from smoking.
Everyone has different levels of enzyme. Some people will not get high from edibles. Some people will get high from 5mg. I eat about 300mg before I can feel anything other than sleepy. I drank a 1000mg “canna-lean” syrup once, that’s the highest I’ve ever been, it was fun, but I didn’t lose my faculties.
I’m not saying tolerance doesn’t play a part, but there are other factors. Also if you’re primarily vaping, THATS what you should take a break from. Our cannabinoid receptors did not evolve alongside such highly concentrated thc products, they aren’t used to getting slammed with 85%+ thc, it’s used to like 10-12% found naturally in landrace strains. You’re system is burned out. The biggest scam in the legal industry is the way they market “30% thc!” as a good thing. The big number sells more weed, so that’s all the businesses care about, but cannabinoids and terpenes and INDIVIDUAL BODY CHEMISTRY have way more to do with how you’re gonna feel that high. I prefer a 13-17% thc content that is balanced with thcv, cbg, etc, but the market doesn’t care about providing you a good product, they just want your money.
Anyway, that was a whole lot of unsolicited information, here’s a source about the enzyme ⬇️ have a great day, stay lifted ♡
Once I did a single small inhale off a dab and missed all of friendsgiving sick in bed. Also once I took a hit off a friend’s vape and had to Uber home from the halloween party cause too high. Would much rather use an old joint where you kind of know where you are and can build more slowly
If you take a tolerance break for even just a few days, you’ll probably notice a difference. Also you’ll probably get some wild dreams lol
I think you’ve got a mighty tolerance and it’s probably time for a break if 30-50mg barely hits you. I’m pretty experienced with weed and drugs in general, and 50mg will have me absolutely ripped and mostly non-verbal for hours. 30mg is a sweet spot for stoned and in public.
Holy shit. 10-20 mg orally from some good Sativa makes me question reality and sends me on a trip. I hate to say it, but… smoke less pls
Oh, this is after a break, of about a month and a half.
I’m actually extremely similar! Kinda. If I take a tbreak for a good few months and then hit something… yeah I’m gonna be uncontrollably high for an hour or so, maybe a little longer. The moment that I have any kind of tolerance though, highs will only last for 30 - 45 mins.
Only sticking to bud will help, and then switching to pens will quickly slyrocket that tolerance (though I can still stay decently high for awhile)
But then edibles? Don’t work at all. Apparently you can be missing the enzyme entirely and I’m sure that’s what my issue is. That or even after eating a whole bakers dozen of weed cookies just really wasn’t enough. Friends have tried giving me every kind of edible under the sun though an none do more than maybe a slight warm head buzz.
Be a lightweight to start with and then don’t smoke for a decade. Shit hits harder than the first coffee after a 6 week caffeine break.
Well, the lightweight is gonna be a problem, but I typically take breaks of at least a month when I stock up on more stuff.
Are you a ginger? Is this like the anesthetic thing?
Not a ginger, just weirdly tolerant to thc without having built one up.
Holy crap. Hi SARGE.
30mg edible can get me close to non-verbal some days and just not really hit that hard others.
I have GAD so I think that messes with my perception.
I haven’t smoked or consumed thc in a year. I took a 10mg edible with a friend a week ago and we went to a hockey game and I felt like my stoned college days laughing about stadium hot dogs. Everyone is different. But tolerance builds more and more the more you consume and more frequently
A single Dynavap bowl of decent flower will get me feeling buzzed. 4 bowls, I’m glued to the couch for 2-4 hours. I don’t use very often though. Sometimes a few times a week, sometimes months without using.
I think it just affects everyone differently. I’ve never felt a thing from edibles. Don’t get much from high thc weed. Best thing for me are infused joints. Even some of those are hit or miss.
Weed was pretty new to the american mainstream culture, from being just something used by immigrants in the early 1900s to being embraced by the counterculture in the 60s to finally becoming legal some places in the 2010s. During all that time, the law of prohibition was making it more potent, to make it easier to smuggle.
Now that it is legal, it is easier to get it in a regulated dose in whichever strength you want, just like you can have alcohol at pretty much any strength.
That said, a lot of the vapes are still solidly in the gray market and kinda sketchy.
During all that time, the law of prohibition was making it more potent, to make it easier to smuggle.
Not at all. The US market was dominated for a long time by very low quality Mexican cannabis, where the growers seemed to treat it like industrial hemp production, producing large bales full of stems and seeds, poorly cured, with little regard for THC content. As it became more difficult to smuggle their bulky product across the border into the US, Mexican producers responded by smuggling in the laborers, instead, to produce the same low quality product inside the United States, on clandestine farms on public lands. Law enforcement responded to this with aerial surveillance, forcing growers indoors. That’s the point where quality began to improve, as growing indoors is more technically challenging, creating more proficient farmers, and quality improvements allowed the more expensive to produce indoor cannabis to compete with low quality outdoor grown cannabis.
Only once indoor production began to dominate the market did concentrates like hash oil begin to become common, as the more technically proficient growers gained the expertise to produce it, and had an economic pressure to maximize THC yields from what at that point had become agricultural waste, with a more discerning consumer now unwilling to smoke anything less than seedless flowers.
Thanks for providing the details that back up the iron law of prohibition!
Trying to maximize is only part of it, the other really big thing with legalization and commercial growers is consistently predicable and measurable strength.
I usually prefer edibles, which were not really a thing the way they are now. I can go to a store or online and order a pack of edibles in a very wide range of concentrations, all lab tested and certified and each piece is incredibly consistent.
The same goes for flower; a grower can produce a crop and tell you exactly how strong it is, and I can take that information and use it for consistent dosing. There’s really no guesswork or wondering if the “super strong bud” is actually that, or not at all, or “I took one puff and I can now smell sound” strong. You are right though in the amount of the latter that is produced and just how strong it’s getting, but that does seem to be plateauing somewhat.
One good thing about high % weed though, is if you’re simply using it to get high and smoking it, it’s a lot less volume to have to smoke, which is overall way better for your throat and lungs.
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Imagine coming home to your parent trying to be mad at you, while also incredibly high on your drugs.
That would be a weird experience, to say the least.
Years ago I would try to hide my pot smoking from my parents.
Now I am hiding my pot smoking from my kids.
Someday my kids will be hiding their pot smoking from me.
And my dad ended up getting into hydroponic gardening shortly after I moved out.
The circle of life, man.
When my son was looking at colleges, we took a couple of road trips together to see schools. We’ve always been very close, and I told him my drug history, as a true cautionary tale. I didn’t tell him to not try drugs, but to deal with them responsibly.
Today, he’ll do the occasional edible, but he doesn’t like smoking at all. I definitely use way more weed than he does. He’s a lightweight, one canned margarita does him in.
Tbh, if I saw my dad absolutely fucked up after hitting my vape pen as a teenager, it would probably have rattled me enough to make me stop for a few years at least.
I would just keep swiping their vapes and not say anything. See how long it takes.
The parent tax
“My vapes and all the snacks keep disappearing and dad’s also been acting weird…”
Ooh better yet, use like 90% of it and switch it out whenever they get a new one. Then they will just think they are hitting it too much.
Couple it with changing clocks and other small things to make them believe they are getting so high they blackout and are losing time so they reconsider getting high.
“This salad tastes like pussy” vibes.
It’s such a great skit
Gen-X here. Most of us grew up on absolute trash weed. Modern weed is incredibly clean and strong. Vapes are a distillation of that. When it’s all said and done, taking deep hits of a THC vape after only having a few puffs at a Pearl Jam concert back in 1994, might lead to regrettable consequences.
I was a good boy who didn’t do drugs until adulthood, and I have medical marijuana now. The feedback I’ve gotten from pretty much everyone who did drugs in the 90’s and 00’s vs today is the same as your experience. The “weed nerds” have spent decades in their labs and the state-by-state legalization has greatly accelerated their progress.
Even my pharmacist warned me when I first got my medical card “if this is your first time using medical marijuana it’s a lot stronger than what is usually on the street, so watch out”.
I’m from Western Canada and while our experience is very very far from the rest of NA’s…(none of our shit came from Mexico) one thing that’s definitely changed over the last few decades is the knowledge base of cannabis growers in general.
There are more cannabis specific products such as nutrient blends, pest, and environmental controls. Off the shelf products you can order online that used to be custom made or end you up on a list.
People understand pruning, topping, and branch lining. This becomes especially apparent when you compare amateur growers to intermediate and medical grade growers.
Than there’s the genetics being improved through breeding. .
But the main thing I’m told is that a lot of weed in the USA came from outdoor grows in Mexico. Which outdoor can never, ever, compete with indoor.
I didn’t know they’d been working on this shit like it’s the cure for cancer
Always gotta tell myself “just a little puff or two from the vape, no more, or you’re going to think that you’re gonna die”
I smoked a little when it was illegal in my state but legal in others. I made brownies. I think the new weed is just “take a hit or two” or even “share a joint with 3-4 people” and it’s fine. I love that my vapes are $30 legally and just last for months. Such a cheap drug now.
The first time I hit a cart after years of just flower, I had to just sit down for like half an hour before I could think thoughts.
A few months ago, the local dispensary was out of the vape I would normally buy, so I tried a new one instead. Took a hit, thought “Well, guess I’m going to bed right now, then,” and laid in bed. That thing hit me so hard, at one point I had to check the news on my phone to confirm whether there’d been another earthquake, or if I’d just ripped a massive fart and not realized.
Seems like the difference between a basic distillate and a live resin cart. Live resin is the better choice, but it’s usually more expensive.
