JFC this is a meme of all time
They’ve already decided rape is fine. Now they’ve decided child rape is fine too.
Having a pedo rapist as Preznit has opened the door wide for these fucking losers to just say it all out loud. Just look at the game Pragmata— there used to be a time when you’d goon after a CHILD like that and you’d get reported and removed. Their new motto: “Our Preznit iz a Pedo so itz ok lawl wut u mad libruls???”
They don’t look cool or intimidating.
More like this
” I could stand in the middle of 5th ave and rape a child and I wouldn’t lose a single vote!” 🫲🍊🫱
Did he say that?
A couple of weeks ago I realised that power is an actual drug for some people. And that a certain type can, like any alcoholic or coke-head, lose their mind over this addiction. This would explain all the pedo stuff. Most of these crazies probably are no clinically diagnosed pedophiles, but what do you do if you already own everything, cars, houses, yachts and islands? You come up with stuff everyone would go to jail for, like raping minors. It’s coked out of their minds power addiction and we as a society need to make sure, that people are not exposed to it for too long.
Am I rambling? Made perfect sense to me when I first thought about it. :)The original quote was saying that he could shoot a man in the middle of 5th street and not lose any votes. But yeah, he probably could rape a child on the street, and he would have apologists lining up to justify it.
Also lining up to take pictures and beg for a turn, if the preponderance of pedophiles in their leadership continues as a trend in the voters.
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Got sick and tired of those looks so I stopped making them question their reality.
next step is conservatives defending esptein.
Oh we’re already there. Recently came across a clip of some douchbag asking someone on a livestream “what’s wrong about raping kids?” Like it was some kinda gotcha mic drop moment.
Nazis do need their punches…
saw someone on Joe Rogan also defending Esptein.
Punching Nazis doesn’t solve the problem of them being Nazis.
The mask is off, and once you acknowledge that your ideology is about dominance and nothing else, “crimes against humanity” are just what the untermenschen call winning.
He’s in them so often, they’re calling them the trump/epstein files.
I see what you did there
They’ll also grumble something about DOW at 50 thousand
My friend dropped her phone and cracked the screen. It was a bad day and she started crying and all I had to say was the Dow is at 50K it’ll be okay.
We’ve all seen Alex wazzisname… The evil one that had a radio show. Eh who cares, point is we know what he looks like, you don’t need to remind us.
hit em with that epstein class stare
The ones left really are the most retarded people on the planet.
I heard about this book when I was young, and the older I get the realer it becomes.
“Future Shock” by Alvin Toffler, written circa 1970. The author, a sociologist, predicted that as the world moved from the Industrial Age to the Digital Era many people would be unwilling/unable to deal with the new realities.
“Conservatives” all over the world are working harder and harder to hold onto the past.
You look like them when you drop the r-slur. Don’t let their shit behavior and punching down make you worse.
Nah. I’m good. I never was going to pass the “wholesome” purity tests that progressives love to fuck themselves with.
No autistic or adhd Lemmy/piefed users were hurt. Nobody thought, oh that’s kinda like me. Only retarded Republicans.
Oof. Way to embody your slur of choice.
The test was ‘don’t use slurs’. I suspect you have larger issues if that is the hill you want to die on.
I’m autistic. I don’t like seeing that word come back. So I called out shit behavior. Have some godsdamned creativity if you’re going to insult people. Don’t emulate the people you’re insulting.
As usual with all things, it’s a spectrum when, where, and what I’ll use. And I think it’s plenty appropriate to direct it to hurt these fascist nazis.
But to be clear, no I will not pass your test to never use any slur in any context. I don’t think most people would, even on the progressive side of the spectrum. Nor do I think the bar will remain the same for certain people and they are just annoying people into fascism over every single fucking micro aggression.
So. Coming down from my high horse and taking a breath. A good faith question for you? I can understand the first paragraph and disagree with the second, but I would like to let that go for just a second.
Why are you attached to this word? They defend pedophiles, the steal from the poor, they commit atrocities, and they do really bizarre shit like wearing diapers because their leader is incontinent. I get the ‘hit them with what hurts’ angle and can’t say whether or not it’s effective. Is casually hurting others, because two different people in these comments have positively asserted that they were offended, worth not choosing a different word?
Because I believe it does hurt them and shame them more forcefully and is more effective conveying the degree of stupidity. I also think, tangentially (like wild), that Internet culture change vastly outpaces built-in generationally learned norms and that young people interact with older more than ever. And the amount of change desired, among a billion other more important factors but a factor none the less, is essentially ‘annoying people into fascism’. Especially in non formal settings, outside the workspace, legal language,Again, small factor in a while lot of things.
Some people are going to be full on charge. Some will think you are silly and over reacting. Sometimes, is an education thing and they are genuinely happy to learn. But if not, you insisting is essentially using political or social capital in various different ways. And I think it’s over used and failing because of said generational differences.
It’s not really my hill to die on. I just think they are a lost cause and I want to hurt and shame them at this point and think most people (maybe not on fediverse) enjoy hearing them described as such.
I appreciate the answer. I even agree to a large extent with your last point. I still think it an easy thing to not do and will call it out when I see it. I think the people that are letting annoyance with the general rule ‘don’t be a dick even if you can get away with it’ lead them to fascism were probably most of the way there anyway, but that’s whatever.
I’m not going to entreat further change from you, I’ve got too many paragraphs into this thread as is. I hope to see the immoral sacks of shit get everything they have coming too.
Language is about intent.
I think “Jap” is one of the dumbest slurs there is, since it’s just cutting off two letters from the country, and I’m not offended when I hear it, I just laugh. But it’s still a slur.
There is an entire South Park episode on people changing the way they use “fag” from slander against gays, to slander against Harley motorcycle riders. You are one of the gays in this episode who doesn’t understand the intent behind why/how the way the word is used changes
There was no ambiguous intent to how they used the slur. It was the classic “they’re bad because they’re like X” usage. It’s a word with a long history of harming a marginalized group. It was resurrected by awful people for its original awful purpose.
So, less good faith this time: why do you defend it? What worth does it have that cannot be claimed elsewhere?
Asked by someone part of a group that was painted with the r-slur for a long ass time (autism).
Fuck off
Don’t use hateful and degrading language that harms the intellectually disabled and associated groups.
Just because someone has a mental disability doesn’t mean they are Republican. That seems way more offensive.
Retarded hasn’t been a slur against the mentally disabled in the common vernacular for a while now. Well, until people decided that it’s the new term to get offended for others about.
Language is always changing, and its meaning is now synonymous with moron (which also used to be a medical term for the intellectually disabled).
Context and intent is key, and it’s clear that they weren’t disparaging the mentally disabled.
Really? Did you not read the original comment? Because that’s how I used it on the playground when I was a child. I asserted another person was less due to an intellectual disability, normalizing that it’s OK to insult people using a term that once upon a time neutrally described the intellectually disabled. And then I learned that it isn’t OK to punch down, that the people used as an insult were as human and deserving of respect as myself.
Fuck off with your bad faith nonsense. The original comment is exactly why it became a slur in the first place.
Because that’s how I used it on the playground when I was a child.
I feel like there is a concession here?
I asserted another person was less due to an intellectual disability, normalizing that it’s OK to insult people using a term that once upon a time neutrally described the intellectually disabled.
This is explicitly what they’re saying it doesn’t mean. They’re not referring to literal mentally handicapped people. They’re using a casual if aggressive put-down towards people who demonstrate profound anti-intellectualism in a way those people would understand as a means to viscerally and painfully insult them.
And they’re doing so in a way that doesn’t mentally police their own language. Self policing perpetually requires cognitive effort and second guessing. It puts you culturally on the backfoot. If you want to fight rightwing demons, you have to go for the jugular on a pure red boiling instinctual level, or you lose. You have to fight so hard that there is collateral damage, otherwise the average person will simply see you as inauthentic and overly clean and calculated.
Further, ableism and other particular ‘isms’ like racism and sexism are not directly comparable. Talk about bad faith. Ableism based insults directly reference material capabilities in the person you are insulting, definitionally. Racism and Sexism are bad because they prescriptively assign people to irrational and prejudiced stereotypes about their weakness or unworthiness. Ableism just directly references perceived weakness. This is still rude and mean spirited, and thus can easily be bad. But it is simply not the same.
I am autistic. When people insult rightwinger’s social behavior by calling them a cringey autist (and yes, I’ve seen this) it does sting. It does bring about some bitterness because I did not choose to be this way. But I get it… I understand. If it hurts the rightwinger, its probably worth it. And I’ve even engaged in the same seeming self loathing indulgence to get at people who need to be brought down a peg.
There is no moral difference between calling someone “stupid” and using the R word, except in the impact of the term. And the modern rightwinger gives absolutely no shits if you call them an “asshole”. In fact, many of them like that, they’ll even embrace their lack of morals with pride.
And then I learned that it isn’t OK to punch down, that the people used as an insult were as human and deserving of respect as myself.
Correction: Its harmful to punch down. Its more harmful to refuse to punch down as some kind of holy rule if it weakens a righteous cause to more broadly protect the weak. By destroying a rightwinger’s pride through such humiliation of their material ability you are helping the weak, even if through “splash damage” you also hurt their feelings.
That said: I don’t even think any of my politically tactical justifications here are wholly needed. Sometimes you want to hurt who you rightfully hate and are willing to damage yourself and others to do it. Rational ethics do not always come into the picture when you are facing the end of the world. Its just eye rolling to expect clean language as we sink into the fires of hell.
Sometimes you want to emotionally unburden yourself and metaphorically just rip a pigs head off in the mud because the world has shit on you when you did not deserve it. My visceral hatred of the average dipshit rightwinger is so intense as to nearly be the reason I’ve not off’d myself. I’m almost surviving off spite right now.
I feel like there is a concession here?
More that I did unacceptable things as a child and grew out of them. An appeal that I’m not some righteous figure, just someone who wants to do better and would like to see that elsewhere.
This is explicitly what they’re saying it doesn’t mean. They’re not referring to literal mentally handicapped people.
There is nowhere in there that implies this. It explicitly compares republicans to the intellectually disabled in an equality for the purposes of insult. The republicans were the expressly intended person to be insulted, the intellectually disabled (kinda get using the damned slur, it’s a lot faster) being the undesirable comparison.
And they’re doing so in a way that doesn’t mentally police their own language. Self policing perpetually requires cognitive effort and second guessing.
Everyone self polices to some extent. We stand in lines, we don’t steal, etc, etc. We refrain from using terminology that would hurt others. This is not a high bar. It’s the base line. Feels like the only reason it’s seen as acceptable is because you can shout that word and not have an angry mob delete you. Use the n-slur on the other hand and no power in the universe will save you depending on where you’re standing. But I digress.
I am autistic. When people insult rightwinger’s social behavior by calling them a cringey autist (and yes, I’ve seen this) it does sting.
That’s the point. I’m autistic too and instead of tolerating shit, backsliding behavior that was picked up from the people we are all agreeing are terrible, I said something. We can rage against them without hurting others. We can have some community standards. Hell, they’re defending pedophiles. Why are we using their slurs when they hand us such terrible ones to use? (Argument goes here for using the language they understand, which I don’t have an argument against).
Sometimes you want to hurt who you rightfully hate and are willing to damage yourself and others to do it. Rational ethics do not always come into the picture when you are facing the end of the world.
Respect for the honesty. And I don’t totally disagree. The kid that recently became the ‘ok’ meme comes to mind. And his way seems more moral. Though it’s hard to punch Nazis through the screen.
Ultimately, this ‘purity test’ isn’t a hard one. This is ‘write your name on the paper’ level. Debating things like Al Green getting ousted from congress for shit he did decades before is debatable, and a good debate to have. Using slurs that were resurrected by awful people should not be that difficult, nor elicit such discussion. It should be the baseline.
Yes, and apparently my reading comprehension is better than yours. They’re saying Republican Trump supporters are so dumb their intelligence is on the level of someone with an intellectual disability.
They’re not disparaging the mentally disabled or saying that mentally disabled people are lesser. They’re making a comparison.
But I bet you’d be perfectly fine if they had called Trump supporters morons, which is exactly the same type of insult as retarded.
They are making a distinctly unfavorable comparison (or was the monster in the picture that started this a compliment?) by comparing repugnant, morally vacant people to the mentally disabled in an equality. They are saying that republicans are lesser and that they are the same as the intellectually disabled, which would make the intellectually disabled lesser by logic we learned in elementary school.
It’s not hard to not use a slur. There are a great many insults out there. Have some standards.
And yeah, moron probably would have missed me. It was a slur before my time. And now, I’ll update my internal no-no list. Thanks, that’s correct. That’s a common way people improve, but being called out on shitty behavior.
There is a correct and good community building way to address this issue, and there is a “Gotcha, fucker! you made a mistake in your words, I’m gonna yell at you on the internet!” way of dealing with this issue.
The correct way would be to privately message the person and say, “Hey, please don’t use that kind of language, it is offensive”
They might have gone back and edited it.
I feel like people have forgotten the concept of face, since the internet is anonymous, and a lot of flame wars happen because people do not consider each other’s faces when they are talking to each other.
So if you really consider the impact of derailing a conversation about how Republicans and Trump supporters and fascist pedophiles are destroying the entire world and making everyone on the planet miserable to say, “Hey, you used a word that is offensive to people with mental difficulties”, then I would say that you were in the wrong for addressing your concern in the way that you did, not that your concern itself was wrong.
Or you call them out in public because discretion just lets things fester. Shame me when I do shameful things, I beg you. Shit like this is how the Overton Window moves. Having basic standards in ones community, however it manifests, is not a bad thing. It signals to others that this behavior is not acceptable instead of quietly letting it slide and implying that it is OK by silence.
And it isn’t a hard standard. It’s not asking a lot. Don’t use slurs. We generally understand that with race. We mostly understand that with sex and gender. So disability gets a pass? Fuck that. Tear me down if I’m so casually cruel. If you can’t have the creativity to have a decent insult that doesn’t involve shaming the disabled, then call them (the republicans not the disabled) assholes and move on. Don’t use the slurs of the morally repugnant.
Nah, I wouldn’t have. It’s pearl clutching.
It’s educated park clutching and purity tests. You said it better than I care to.
