The USA sixth amendment has the confrontation clause, which gives the accused the right to face their accuser in court. If this were to happen here then we shouldn’t have to play their games and hand over more of our personal information. We should be able to take the company to court for slander - they have accused us of a crime - and we should demand they present that evidence in court to justify that slander. Either they submit the evidence - allowing the accused to disprove it - or they don’t present the evidence and the accused wins their slander case against the company.
That’s how it should work. I don’t know WTF the judicial system is going to do with AI lobbing criminal accusations at people. Maybe we end up living in a perpetual panopticon where AI is studying us every second of every day looking for some way to charge us with a crime.
If you use AI, you support this.
This is nonsense, just because someone uses the same tool as you do, does not mean that you support it.
If you use AI, you’re a tool.
So we’re going to just not use one of the best advancements in technology that we’ve had in like so long just because it’s used for nefarious purposes? Wouldn’t it be better to fix those issues for the AI to be controlled by just a small elite of people? What’s the solution for you? Do you think they’re gonna just get rid of AI? I think the Pandora’s box has already been opened. AI is not going away. We should find a way to just use it better. You know?
AI is not “an advancement,” it’s mass theft, LLMs have uses outside of that, but chatbot company executives and boards belong in prison for stealing.
Back in the day in the Roman Empire, they used a bunch of slaves to build the infrastructure and stuff, like the water systems, you know? And like, later on, those are still valuable and used as a way to just map out the way we do things today. One thing doesn’t necessarily negate the other one. Yes, it can be mass theft, and it can be an advancement at the same time.
I mean you don’t need to go back to Rome to realize modern society has always been capable of stealing other peoples work and selling it… and not calling that “technological advancement.”
So because LLMs steal mathematically doesn’t mean they’re impressive. LLMs existed before the robbers used them to steal.
In any case, LLMs are impressive, and useful
New ≠ good. It’s a trash tool that enables hacks to pretend they know what they’re doing, it’s a MAJOR security risk, and it’s destroying the environment.
No amount of whatever bullshit you can come up with will outweigh this. It’s trash.
It’s a new tech in its infancy. is hacky Yes, it’s annoying. But the whole point of it is to make people who don’t know what they’re doing actually be more able to, you know, do things outside of their own capabilities. That is a huge improvement. Of course, you do have to have some common sense and some logic to work these tools better. To understand they are not perfect. to understand an AI can make mistakes. But I think overall people will be more productive with AI than without it.
For the security part, I think this will improve over time. For the environment? I wouldn’t be so sure. Still, AI is not gonna go away. You gotta try and take its positives, Because if you don’t, people who use AI will just walk over you. I don’t even think it can work in tech anymore if you don’t use AI.
You gotta try and take its positives
Now that you mention it… this rat poison does have a pleasant cherry flavour
its infuriating that law enforcement is this incompetent. to arrest innocent people is unacceptable. i hope they all get hundreds of millions each. these people cops need to learn lessons and get educated on the law so they dont enforce the laws wrong, like in this case
It’s not just the incompetence that’s the problem, it’s also the laziness and malice.
Oh, not just arrest. I don’t know if it was Ai or not, but the 1y/o who was recently mudered by police was in the car with people falsely accused of shoplifting. The family was told by the courts that it was a “reasonable use of force”.
Wild that largely untrained cops can dole out the death penalty to a bystander for a crime that has little-to-no inherent urgency and would never carry a sentence even a fraction as severe.
Imagine being hunted by the police because someone didn’t run an update or is running the AI software through some shitty, 180p security camera.
That isn’t kafkaesque, that’s just authoritarian.
To be Kafkaesque is to not know what you are accused of and/or to have no real mechanism to defend the accusations. The Kafkaesque part is the private network of ‘justice’ that makes judgements which impact someone’s access to basics like food based on an opaque algorithm with no recourse.
These private systems are worst when they are networks across multiple stores - you could imagine a future where, if left to the devices of late stage capitalism (i.e. not effectively regulated), it could become virtually impossible to buy food and other essentials once you are on a privately held denylist that retailers pay to access, where those on the list have no insights into how they got on the list nor any mechanism to correct any inaccuracies that unfairly led to them being on the list.
TL;DR: I think Kafkaesque is correct here.
https://www.londonsecuritycollege.co.uk/wrongly-accused-of-stealing/
Sounds like they have a case.
This will ultimately be the death of retail stores.
Half the reason anyone wants to go to a store in 2026 is to have a good time shopping in person. If going to the store leads to any chance of a shitty experience? Fuck it dude, I’ll just order online like everyone else I suppose.
These days, stores are for last minute purchases. If I think of something I need, I order it, and then wait for it to show up. I’m not interested in wandering around Walmart.
I guess the stock boys and cashiers could just be like the olden groceries, where you bring your list and they fill it? Or, I guess more layoffs?
Walmart already does this with pick up orders I see as many Walmart employees with carts running around as I do regular customers.
Kafkaesque nightmares
I gotta read something besides The Metamorphasis because all I associate with that phrase is physical body horror of becoming a bug. Somehow I don’t think that’s what they meant here.
Kafka was most famous for pointing out that our current society is built on bureaucracy unto death. For instance how he have to fill out insurance forms while dying of cancer.
Kafka has written other stories, the author might have had The Trial (Der Process) in mind.
Pick something other than The Castle, especially if you’ve ever worked for any government.
Unless you want to know why Curtis Yarvin is wrong about monarchies being more efficient, then by all means…
The world would be dramatically better if about 10,000 people died
More will replace those fucks. The system is flawed.
It would be a lot easier to address those flaws in their absence.
Like a course of antibiotics.
It’s so weird how little it takes to ruin a society
They were propped up by like 50 million lesser evils, looking after their own interests.
Yes, they are a power of their own now.
But still…
Not a bug.
You’d think getting it easier to exchange money for items is the whole point of capitalism
Self Checkouts are not even self checkout anymore. You go up and scan your stuff then 2 times out of 3 someone has to come over and approve that you scanned everything. At that point just open the normal lanes back up
opening more lanes very obviously makes things better for customers but that’s not even remotely the goal. self-checkout lets them slash their labor costs and give out more executive bonuses by just paying one employee to manage the entire self-checkout section. they wouldn’t get to keep that money if they opened up more lanes and paid an employee per lane. so now every store has 20 lanes with at most three lanes open, and only if it’s really slammed.
And the supermarket systems still don’t get right the prices for fruits. Which means you have to call another employee to enter the price for you.
I’ve walked out of Walmart before over wrong prices. I was just there to look at the camping section and see if they had any deals. There was a cooler on sale for 10$. I go scan it. 30$. I just left it there at the self checkout and went home.
9 times out of 10 if you ask the attendant for help they’ll honor the price if there was a signage error.
I know but it’s walmart. The attendant is handling 30+ self checkouts and I’m not waiting 10 minutes.
I literally stopped shopping at Kroger over this. If you’re gonna accuse me of stealing every third item I scan because I use a reusable shopping bag instead of the single-use plastic ones, you aren’t getting my business.
I think the only one more over it than me was the poor associate who had to keep signing in to watch videos of me scanning stuff.
The Kroger I used to be close to had the carts where the wheel would lock at the door if the system thought you were stealing something which it did every other time I went causing me to stumble or bang my shin against the cart and look like a fool stopped in the middle of the doorway while waiting for an employee to come unlock my cart. I stopped going after I realized the whole experience of going to Kroger actually kinda just ruined my day and pissed me off. I typically did a bulk of my shopping right after my paycheck so id have a lot of stuff and I was forced to go throigh self checkout 90% of the time because they sometimes didnt have any open normal checkout lanes. Their aisles were also fairly claustrophobic and prices werent even really much lower. Makes me wonder if it would actually be cheaper to let people steal over paying for all the bullshit non working security systems
Yoink!
Do you guys have the same shit as us by the way where they force you to scan your receipt to exit the store or the doors won’t open? That’s illegal by the way, but neither the store nor the customers care, they all go bleeping their fucking receipts like little lemmings, even when the doors are open. People think it’s mandatory, so they got trained to do it.
I have had several runins with staff and security over this, and once it gets to security, sec just tells them to open the doors because they are not allowed to keep people from leaving, receipt or not.
I’m half in a mind to push this and sue for unlawful detention, I think there is a very solid case to be made.
I’ve never seen that & would never shop somewhere that did that.
Sorry Mr Ed, won’t happen again sir. Please do not Gatling Gun me.
It’s so annoying. I’ll scan something big and the computer is OUT LOUD saying at me “BAG YOUR ITEM” like NO! I DONT WANT TO!
You write just one book about a labyrinthine bureacracy and people use your name to curse organisational dysfunction forever.
A situations like this makes me use a form of Malapropism one would expect of a Dickensian society to bring about almost Orwellian situation. Makes you wonder when someone will use Chekhov’s Gun before it all gets Bowdlerized. Alas this Machiavellian paragraph is reminiscent of a Lovecraftian creature.
But seriously, that paragraph above reads like the scene in Blackadder when they meet the writer of the Dictionary.
Poor Machiavelli too. Everyone goes on about how he faked his death and “dark triad” traits, and he was just some bloke taking the piss out of the government.
I think that guy might have been trolling. He was imprisoned by the Medici family, amd then ended up writing a book to give advice to the princes? I think it could have been intentionally bad advice, especially after reading Sun Tsu.
I’m actually wandering if what he wrote in his book wasn’t exactly what the Prince already did.
Because that sounds just like the greatest way to arse kiss a powerful person without being too crude and obvious, in order to get yourself a rich patron.
What would Machiavelli do? is a fine continuation of that energy.
“As the Prince you’ve got to know when to hold ‘em. Know even to fold ‘em. Know when to walk away and know when to run.”
I worked at my local Goodwill (they’re split up by region). We kept a close eye on known shoplifters, but we couldn’t say anything and even my boss couldn’t say anything unless he literally saw them conceal the object then walk out of the store and never broke eye contact. They said the store could get sued if we stopped them and they had ditched the contraband in the moment we looked away.
I don’t see why the stores discussed here should be treated differently. Someone needs to sue these surveillance stores until they stop automating false accusations.
What is wild about all this is looking back to the old social contract and how it basically fobitted this.
The best example is the movie minority report in which the had a fool proof way to 100% of the time predict the future.
I won’t spoil the movie, but the whole premise was that even if there was one instance of it making a mistake, and a innocent person was put on ice by mistake, then the whole thing had to be shut down.
And in today’s reality: all of big tech’s new tools make mistakes constantly, sometimes more than getting things right, and it’s still full steam ahead on the rollout.
MFW dystopia movies were too optimistic
I mean, even in that one case, it was accurate, just not in the way they thought.
kill the fuckers in charge or you’re rolling the
dicechamber every day.Let me just get my sniper rifle and hop on my plane and go to that secret island that they may or may not be staying at at that moment and evade their personal army and bodyguards and take out one of the bastards before his goons kill me. I have high hopes for success.
fobitted
I’m sure this is a typo of some kind, but I can’t for the life of me work out what it was.“Predicted”? “Foretold”? I’m sure I’m being dense and just missing something obvious, but I’d love to hear what.
Same can be said for the death penalty, but the GOP and even a lot of Democrats are for it. Even though they’re are actual past cases of killing innocent people.
Someone must have been telling lies aboutSome slop machine must have misidentified Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested.
