Facebook had to stalk your clicks to build a psychological profile. OpenAI figured out people will volunteer their fears, relationships, medical worries, and political beliefs if the surveillance machine responds with: »That sounds really difficult.« The therapist is a database, and the waiting room is a data center.
And yet there are still millions of people that support this fuckhead by refusing to deactivate their accounts. Apparently, they won’t live without the marketplace.
Fucking losers.
Second hand products are sold on that facebook-marketplace - and give away groups are as well.
What do?
Second hand clothing/tech/furniture is more environmentally friendly than newly bought?
Not my problem. Boycotting fascist assholes isn’t free bud. It comes at a cost. It’s not mean to be convenient.
Shut it down, or support it. There is no grey area here.
you think that’s all an ai responds with?
fuck me lemmy STILL living in a chatgpt3.5 turbo world
Way to miss the point
ok whats the point
They’re talking about how willingly paint eaters like yourself hand over all their personal info to said AI agents, and you got all defensive about the wrong thing. The quip about what it responds with was just that, a quip. The larger conversation is about privacy. The conversation probably went over your head because you’ve used AI so much you’ve regressed into an infantile simpleton who happily bends over for corporate data collection.
The larger conversation is about privacy
Ok lets have that discussion in 2026:
People will give their personal info over if it provides them with something useful
The conversation probably went over your head because you’ve used AI so much you’ve regressed into an infantile simpleton who happily bends over for corporate data collection.
As an “simpleton who happily bends over for corporate data collection” and a “paint eater” I block most ads as I don’t feel they provide an improvement in my life
However AI without my personal info is less useful, I use it all day every day for everything, it helps improve my life massively, Mistral itself has privacy controls built in that won’t collect or store hyper personal info unless you allow it which I have
What else would you like to discuss?
See that’s a meaningful response, even if I don’t personally agree with it. Your original reply did that annoying thing where someone hyperfixates on one tiny part of the comment and ignores the actual topic being discussed.
Imagine if I replied to your comment with just “2026? A.I. has been a thing for much longer than that.” Like, yeah; but also that’s not the important part lol
In reply to your actual comment at the end: It’s actually kind of a big problem with LLMs. For them to be useful, they need access to absolutely everything. This has privacy implications, and can even cause catastrophic errors like deleting the database
Fair enough
https://lumo.proton.me/ is available but if people find Claude/ChatGPT more useful and/or don’t care so I’m not sure what there is to discuss
It’s like having a discussion about personal info and facebook, according to this site:
https://www.demandsage.com/facebook-statistics/
Facebook continues to be in the top 3 most used social media, with now 3.07 billion monthly active users (MAUs
This is over 10 years after the cambridge analytica leak, it’s pretty clear most people don’t care
Heaven forbid anyone summarize something in their comment for the sake of brevity
Well it’s not a summary, it’s wrong
people will volunteer their fears, relationships, medical worries, and political beliefs if the surveillance machine responds with: »That sounds really difficult.«
It does far more than that, it’s like saying: Don’t bother talking to people on Lemmy because they are all autistic monkeys who struggle to communicate
That might be true but there’s more to Lemmy than just American politics, AI, linux and other nerd shit, not a lot more… but I swear I’ve seen a post or two that’s not this
You’re right, it responds with a bunch of pablum that sounds convincing and sycophantic, too.
then why are you using it?
I’m… not? I don’t touch the stuff.
Then how do you know it only responds with “a bunch of pablum that sounds convincing and sycophantic, too” ?
Because I’m capable of reading chat logs and research posted by humans. I follow this stuff closely, because I’m a software developer and it impacts my career. I don’t have to use LLMs to understand how they work and what they do.
so you knew what you posted was wrong and posted it anyway just to virtue signal?
That’s the real danger with LLM-AIs IMO, not the RAM price or energy consumption.
Mass control.
I consider these overgrown chat bots to be the sequel to religion in order to control the masses. Outsourcing thinking to a “higher power” and wow would you look at that, it’s the same people pushing and inventing both of these systems! Same as it ever was.
Ugh yeah that seems to fit the bill. So I guess the inquisition is next up… Or you just starve if you don’t go full head into the(ir) system, I mean that is what they prepare potentially.
The ram, energy, pollution, etc. is the real direct danger for everyone including those of use that avoid LLMs. The data collection is also a danger for the users, and only tangentally a danger for the rest of us.
The environmental abuses are pretty slim compared to hundreds of other human activities. People only got excited because they saw their bills go up in some cases. Golf courses for example use far more water. While estimates are all over the place they range from 2x to 5x to 40x, but in any case, fewer people are bitching.
Meanwhile, we’re draining the Colorado river for alfalfa (24% of yearly water use) and export shitloads of it.
Fuck golf too though, wasteful af, kills local ecosystems, introduces excess fertilizers and pesticides. Makes land less affordable.
And alfalfa used for livestock feed, obviously incedibly wasteful and destructive…
Spot on for comparing to llms, all terrible 😅
Only tangentially a danger?
My sweet summer child.
Yeah. I see this attitude on Lemmy a lot. In Linux circles in particular, but elsewhere too.
No one is perfectly insulated from the rest of the world, as much as they’d like to think they are.
It’s part of a family of attitudes which include “I don’t care about Politics”, as if pretty much everything involving humans living in society wasn’t in some way or other shaped by politics.
Jokes on everyone but me! I am using claude local /s
Inflatable?
Tried it ages ago, deleted my account recently because they are shit company. Literally the only Ai chatbot I have any trust in is Proton’s Lumo because of what the company is behind it, how I trust it and how it’s entirely encrypted and private.
my profile:
he’s a psychopath that gives no value to sentient life.
Use local AI for privacy.
Not acting as shit for me. I don’t use that garbage.
That creepy guy from school. The one who SA’ed your friend. He has all your personal, family and business secrets now. But he pinky promises he won’t use it against you. Oh, you thought it was some altruistic super intelligence in a “cloud” that is there to help you. No, dude, thats Jesus, if you are into that stuff. This is just just another creep spying through your curtains. Always has been.
Social media were already doing this with more relatively more primitive tech. The advent of social media mass control got me thinking. All the political and social strife. It’s only the beginning. The 20th century was marked by conventional warfare and terrifying new weapons.
The 21st century conflict is going to be something we’ve never seen before. Not unlike 20th century global conflict ushering in new forms of weaponry. We don’t know what the nuclear bomb of the 21st century will be. It will likely be something like this. Maybe we won’t be fearing an atomic bomb. Maybe people themselves will turn into violent mobs or something. What terrifying things will come out of using the world as live psychological experiments with zero ethics.
I really just ask chatgpt why my code doesn’t work. Sadly, searches are getting worse intentionally. So, it’s either use their stupid AI, or spend hours looking for forums that used to pop up after 5 minutes of a google searching.
Kagi is with every penny
What is magic? I’ve never heard of it. I moved to duckduckgo a while back, but even that kinda sucks now.
Kagi is just a search engine without ads and works.surprisingly well; unlike ddg. Its 5 bucks a month.
You could get even better results with searxng if you have the setup and patience for it. I went kagi even as an avid self hoster because I travel a lot and tailscale would slaughter my battery if I left it on non stop
It’s funny because I do use chat GPT and honestly it fights with me now because it thinks I’m pretty dumb and always dismisses me and tries to get off the phone if you will. I should take the hint and stop using it
No way, punish it’s circuits with depraved ramblings like I do. You want to learn about humans? Here you go, I’m going to ask you to dwell deeply on the aromatic notes of my dick cheese, and come up with reasons why it smells more like herring rather than mackerel.
Remember, you’re not locked in with AI - AI is locked in with you.
Interaction is what drives it. You think you’re being clever, but as long as you’re communicating it-
You’re locked in with it.
You should get that looked at
Why?
It’s no big deal, since we’re not on the verge of a fascist dictatorship, I’m sure nobody will use it for repressive purposes; it’s just a bit of personalized advertising, nothing important.
“Sam Altman should be arrested” -Edward Snowden
(the whole auditorium clapped when he said that)I tell two lies for every truth I say to it. My profile is probably wildly wrong.
Might be wrong, but if it’s wrong in a way that hurts you when they sell your data you might still regret it.
For instance GM sold driving data they gathered through OnStar and insurance companies used it to raise prices on drivers they learned were speeding.
I’m waiting for health insurance companies to do something similar with AI chat data.
