I’m all for metric, but I think farenheit is better for temperature.
It just ranges better in my opinion. 70 degrees farenheit vs. 21.11 degrees Celsius
Well it’ll be 105F here today, so…
why are still not using metric?
Because retooling is expensive. I applaud the adaptation, but we have a lot of tools written that way. Also, are patents written in English or metric units? Would that invalidate them?
Because retooling is expensive.
Other countries have done it successfully.
Is the USA incapable of doing things that others have done?
Yes.
Parents are written in customary primarily, but the patent office recommends listing units in both for global clarity.
It wouldn’t invalidate them because customary is defined by metric, so there’s no ambiguity. It’s exactly the same as saying “the bar is 1 meter long” vs “the bar is 100 centimeter long”. An inch is just a quaint way to write 25.4 mm.
Unofficially, people are stubborn and anti-Europe.
If it makes you feel better, some cooks, all scientists and and all people involved in the drug trade are fluent in metric.
the same reason they don’t speak french.
you can use metric, just like you can speak french.
but people will think you’re talking gibberish.
Maybe this is from growing up in a place with seasons, but 30C to 30F is a comfortable temperature range and I would be quite pleased to live in a place where those are the extremes.
When I was young it was between -5 and +25C max. Now it’s -10 and 42C max. And yet still there are people who say climate change isn’t real.
Oh and it’s humid AF, 42C feels like 48C. I prefer 35 dry heat over 25 humid.
It was 40C yesterday. Supposed to be 36C today. I think a couple of days in Feburary got down to -26C.
Fuckin’ Oklahoma
WTF where do you live?
I grew up in the American Midwest. Average Jan low 17F, Average July high 89F (-8C to 31C). Those are averages, with plenty of days well outside that range especially on the cold end. Summer were not too bad. Now I live in hell and it gets over 35C every day for months on end and it’s a wet miserable heat.
american continent has more temp range than continental europe does.
except the west coast, which has a more mild climate with a lower temp range.
climate change is causing europe and the west coast to become see the more varied temps than the rest of the north american typically sees.
Canada?
It was 32C yesterday. Our winters will certainly get far below 32F. Well into the negatives in fact.
I was outside in -39C in Ontario in February and now places in the same area are recording 36C in this heatwave.
That’s not that unusual. In the Midwest it can go from 0f in the winter to 100f in the summer, which is beyond this range anyway. 30c is about 86f which is nice weather to me. I wish we only peaked at 30c. So yeah, 30f to 30c would be just dandy
Just imagine it. A few days a year where it’s cold enough for ice/snow, long enough to enjoy the novelty, and since it’s just a few days nobody is prepared for it so society shuts down. Then in the summers sustained highs in the 80s. Heavenly.
Sounds about right for e.g. Germany ~15 years ago. Does this range seem odd to you because it is too wide or too narrow?
Sounds like somewhere near an ocean tbh
30F is great. 30C sucks.
30C is normal but slightly annoying, 30F sucks.
- A Floridian
30F isn’t even cold. Maybe -30F.
Oh okay, then 30C isn’t even hot. Maybe 50C or 60C.
You fuckers argued to much No more relative temperatures for you, we‘re all using kelvin now
I’m using rankine it’s more precise
What an abomination of a unit!
As a Minnesotan, 30°F is still shorts weather
Minnesotans at 30°F are a great example of direction mattering, and not just temperature; hit 30 on the way down and you’ll see them change out of shorts, but hit 30 on the way up and you’ll see them change into shorts
A lot of it depends on the wind chill factor. On a calm sunny day— -10F (that’s -23C for those in Houston, TX)—can be very pleasant. But with a damp 25 mph (3.727912328e-8 for those in Tokyo) wind and 60F (that’s 127 Delisle for those in the EU) temperature, it can cut right through you. We send 5 year olds out to play at -10F as long as the wind chill isn’t more than -15.
Source: I live in northern Minnesota, just a bit north of Frostbite Falls.
Come to iowa! It’s 30f one day 30c the next day! And you wear shorts and a hoodie for both!
When it’s 30F and sunny I’m on my snowboard in a t shirt. Course, I’m in Chicago, 30C feels like a nice cool day to do shit outside in summer.
Maybe they live on a hill and what they really mean is
Don’t you mean 1/6*π radians?!
When tau says it is 2pi outside…
This is 2pi4me.
Americans have compatibility issues with the rest of the world, and it’s not getting any better - in more ways than this one.
It literally doesn’t matter.
Whatever. Metric is better in pretty much every other way, but Fahrenheit is demonstrably better for describing temperature as experienced by a human.
“demonstrably”? You don’t have the self-reflection capacity to realize that you only think it’s better because that’s what is used wherever you happen to live? And to realize that it’s the exact same for everybody on the planet?
Why tho?
Fahrenheit is demonstrably better for describing temperature as experienced by a human.
I used to say this exact thing. I decided to be scientific about it and test it by learning Celsius and trying it for a few months.
I have not gone back. It has been seven years. All my devices are still reporting Celsius to me.
I was enjoying the process just because of the novelty of learning a new temperature scale, but when I experienced my first winter with Celsius I knew I’d never go back.
0 being freezing is so much more useful than you’d think. 23°F doesn’t really mean anything to me, but -5°C means “as far below freezing as 5°C is above freezing.” It inherently provides context without having to do math.
Also, the degrees being “larger” makes them more meaningful and thus easier to learn.
If you want to try what I did, here are some useful steps. First, this rhyme: “30 is hot, 20 is nice, 10 is chilly, 0 is ice.”
More importantly, here’s the heuristic I came up with: memorize the 10s. So 10°C = 50°F, 20°C = 68°F, 30°C = 86°F (easy to remember 68 and 86 because they’re reversed). Then memorize the 5s. You can always find them because they’re 9°F off from the 10s. 25°C = 77°F for example.
Once you have those points memorized, you can go up and down from them using 2°F per 1°C. It’s really 1.8, but since at most you’ll be 2°C away from a certain value, the most you’ll ever be off is 0.4°F. So if the weather app tells you it’s 22°C, you start at 68°F and add 4 to get to 72°F (it is actually 71.6 but who cares?). If it says 23°C, you start at 77°F and subtract 4 to get 73°F (actually 73.4, but again who cares?).
I used this heuristic until I didn’t really need it anymore. I still use it if someone asks me the temperature, because I live in the US and no one knows Celsius. So I quickly convert and give them their Fahrenheit value. But at this point I don’t really need to do so personally.
And like I said, I much prefer Celsius even for describing weather. It has really taught me how arbitrary both scales are. A co-worker of mine said, “Yeah but 100° sounds hot.” I replied, “The first time a colleague in India told me it was 40° outside, that sounded hot.” I didn’t need to convert it (didn’t bother memorizing that value because I never see it where I live), it just sounded hot because I knew the scale. (It’s 104°F for the record.)
But as I touched on, I was shocked by how much the freezing point being zero mattered. It makes sub-freezing temperature values so useful. I hadn’t expected that, growing up I knew 32°F was freezing and was so used to that nonsense that I didn’t realize what I was missing until I experienced it.
Eh, I have lived with both Celsius and Fahrenheit and I far prefer Fahrenheit.
Same, it’s also nice because I really don’t notice 1 degree F, but 1 C feels meaningful
I never used F, but as a discalculic person, i am glad i don’t have because it’s harder to memorize, while C is just “Uuh 0 is ice, 100 is boiling water” and i don’t need to remember anything crazy or do any math
Considering the inconsequential nature of small talk, “Well, water isn’t boiling, but it isn’t freezing either” should be an acceptable answer to “how’s the weather where you are?”.
I don’t see your point, anyway, you are rather bold to assume i do small talks
Brain too small to do any talks, really. We’re all fortunate their auto-replier posts anything on their behalf.
I guess i gotta add /j next time
Gotta watch Wapner.
What?
Edit: Oh a Rain Man reference? Are…you implying that I’m autistic because I shared a heuristic? And that somehow that’s a bad thing, which is of course the implication?
Do you know what service you’re using right now?
I tried the same thing, found c to be dog shit for describing air temperature. So after a year I went back. Wild how personal experience can vary so much!
You said a lot of words to basically say fuck all that matters.
It’s personal preference. F is objectively more fine of a scale compared to C. Which can be arguably more useful for air temp. But it’s also arguable that the extra resolution is unneeded since you can’t really tell the difference to that degree.
Frankly both C and F are both equally beyond absolute fucking dogshit for telling how nice or bad the weather is since the quality of the weather needs more things then JUST temp to have a even remotely decent idea of what it’s like outside.
We all just kinda assume the rest based on lived experience of the area we are actively in when talking about it day to day.
But for example 30c in iowa vs California vs florida are LITERALLY nothing alike. At fucking all.
30c in Germany and 30c Colorado are nothing alike.
Humidity, altitude, cloud coverage, wind, and other factors play such a major part of of quality of the weather that arguing over the scale you use is fucking pointless.
“demonstrably better”
Well go on then, I would like you to demonstrate to me how it is better.With Celsius, you can’t walk outside and exclaim in horror “It’s a hundred and 20 fucking degrees!”. “It’s in the negatives.” doesn’t carry any weight either.
The argument is that since the numbers between 0 and 100 are sacred, as proponents of both metric and imperial temperature scales agree, that the system that centers that range more evenly over the range of temperatures experienced by humans is preferable, and wastes less numeric precision on common temperatures.
This is flawed because it turns out that 1) people can comfortably use a wide enough range of numbers that it doesn’t matter and the value of the system you are used to far outweighs the saved handful of syllables and 2) people don’t communicate about weather colloquially with enough precision or accuracy for any possible advantage to actually matter.
There are only two reasons to use one system over the other, and they’re both consistency. Consistency with the rest of the world, and consistency with itself.
Everyone else uses metric, so we should too. It also uses a system, as opposed to a combination of every 14th century tradespersons system.
I am so tired of this claim, it just feels that way because you are used to it, just as C feels easier to use for describing temperatures for me as I am used to that.
It is a completely subjective definition, that you can’t judge objetively.
Fahrenheit is demonstrably better for describing temperature as experienced by a human.
It’s just not though. F uses a wider range of numbers to describe common outside air temperature, but more numbers =/= better.
I’ve lived in both F and C countries and farenheit is not easier, more intuitive, more sensible or better in any way. A number is a number. The extra precision of F is not super useful - no one can really feel a 1F difference. The freezing point of water does make a huge difference, so knowing above/below zero C is useful, but above/below 32F is no harder.
This argument that F is somehow more suitable for human temperatures is something you see online, but as someone comfortable with both i can say there is functionally no difference, except that metric is compatible with the rest of the world.
As someone who has used both and grew up with both I find f to be more suitable for human temps.
There are functional differences, your avg household machines needing set points for a thermostat are WAY fucking nicer to use F with then C. Machines frequently give way too much damn leeway when you use C resulting in inconsistent temp control. It’s god damn annoying.
Otherwise both systems objectively fucking suck at accurately describing the weather outside.
You raise a good point. My thermostat does not support decimal units. So if I turn on the heater to 24C on a cold winter, the temperature range of my heater actually works likes: turn on at 22C, turn off at 26C. Translated, that’s a swing from 72F to 79F. Really annoying.
Obviously they could just make the heater not shit, but I feel like it’s harder to fuck up Fahrenheit whole numbers.
Also they always forget that on modern digital thermometers, we have decimals, which means that the F scale doesn’t really have a wider range to describe common outside air temperature at all.
Isn’t that just not true? I mean it really couldn’t matter less since both have enough, but there are more numbers (including decimals) between 0-100 than like -20 to 30 (idk what a good C range is.)
I strongly disagree on one key point:
no one can really feel a 1F difference
Yes I can. Changing my thermostat by a single degree can be very impactful on my comfort. And on the “too warm side” each additional degree is noticeably less comfortable.
Days with highs of 68F, 69F, and 70F and comparable humidity all feel different to me. Sure, there are more factors at play but holding the rest equal, 1F differences are noticeable.
Depends on whether humidity stays the same or not…
I don’t understand how this is the case. I feel like it would only be perceived as being true by growing up with the system. Like i guess I don’t know where you grew up so I shouldn’t really make this assertion but I feel like most people from countries that use Celsius have probably never thought “hey I think it’s weird that 30 degrees is considered really hot.”
I guess you could make the same argument that people living in the United States don’t complain about water boiling at 212 degrees but that also doesn’t address the compatibility issue
It’s pretty much just 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot as far as weather goes. Besides that it feels pretty arbitrary. I’m a metric stan, but I do still think Fahrenheit is pretty good for talking about the weather.
That’s pretty damn subjective lol. At least the zero point (something important to people living in countries where it falls down to that) gives off useful info.
All numbers are arbitrary until you relate them to reality. This whole debate is fucking stupid vibe checks on how people feel about meaningless numbers, because the temperature is the temperature whether it’s -40 or 233, or 420.
I mean the zero point of Celsius isn’t a vibe in the same way as “pretty cold, pretty hot” or however people describe Fahrenheit. It actually means something to real life that it gets to zero or goes negative. 100C is for most people much less useful tbf.
But mainly it’s about what you’re used ofc. I just hate the nonsense thing about Fahrenheit being better that is about vibes alone
It’s literally a vibe… 0 is an arbitrary number just as much as 32, 69 or 420 is. Your just up your own ass like most people are when it comes to C vs F. Both systems suck, both systems are fucking retarded, both systems are entirely bullshit vibes based nonsense till you give them an arbitrary attachment point to something.
They are literally by definition relative scales. It’s literally worthless nonsense with out a reference point. And in that regard F and C are literally the EXACT same thing. One just has a more fine scale while the other is more coarse.
The only scale that isn’t 100% vibes based is kelvin.
0 in F also means something very specific. Celsius isn’t any better at that. If you want something that actually means 0 at 0 then use Kelvin. If you aren’t, both have an equal basis in reality.
The scale of values is just better for human experience in F. It has more integer values in the range of values humans experience.
I won’t argue which is better. But the human body thing has truth to it. He literally designed the scale around common temperatures. 100 was supposed to be human body temperature (he ended up being a little off, but close). And the 0 on the scale was found by just adding ice to salt until it stopped getting colder IIRC.
He literally designed the scale around common temperatures.
Common temperatures in some places. And also just because it is scaled this way doesn’t mean it is better. It serves the exact same purpose as any other way to measure temperature.
Also having a nice scale from 0 to 100 as “really fucking cold” and “really fucking hot” is arguably easier to understand.
Only if you grew up with it.
0°c being the freezing temp of water makes a lot more sense to me than 32°F and so I can easily work around the scale of temperature using Celsius easier than I ever could Fahrenheit
Well… I didnt grow up with Fahrenheit and don’t use it but it makes sense to me 🤷♂️
30c is a cold day tho… The fact people think 30c is hot is just fucking wild. Shit ain’t hot till 40-41c
It is demonstrably not. You are more familiar with it, and you loathe decimals, so you are of the personal opinion that it is. But that is all it is, your personal opinion about it.
It’s just arbitrary numbers. It only seems better to you because you grew up with it.
demonstrably
so do it
It’s interesting to me that the only people who advocate for Fahrenheit over Celsius in any circumstances are those who grew up using it, whereas those who prefer Celsius over Fahrenheit are from both places where Celsius and Fahrenheit are used. I’m yet to see an example of someone saying “I grew up with Celsius but Fahrenheit is so much better because…”
I grew up with Celsius in my house and prefer fahrenheit for air temp. I use Celsius for literally everything else.
The finer scale is nice for air temp.
Both fucking sucks dick at describing the weather tho.
This is such an elegant observation.
You probably just grew up with elegant observations.
Which units are best doesn’t matter: the point is, nobody else uses standard units anymore, apart from a couple oddball countries, and only one of them - North Korea - isn’t trying to extricate itself from it.
Everybody else tries to be a part of the world’s technical and scientific communities by speaking the same language, but of course America has to be different. Because of course it does… And it’s tiring if you ask me.
US scientists also use metric.
America does speaks metric, especially the technical and scientific communities. They just also speak standard.
Don’t other countries get on Americans for not speaking more than one language? Why is that now a detriment?
Because people enjoy hating America. It’s one of lemmys favorite pass times.
They just also speak standard.
Well they shouldn’t. It’s harmful.
Don’t forget another area where metric is somehow thriving; the inner cities in the US.
Edit: ya’ll need to lighten up.
I dunno - I had to buy a mattress bed and sheets in feet in Thailand. We don’t even do that in America.
And the steel tube was sold in inches, meters and millimeters ¯_(ツ)_/¯
And I agree with you, fully, except for temperature. “If everyone was jumping off a bridge”, right?
The scale is stupid and I don’t give a fuck if it’s the “norm”. The norm is dumb.
Norms may be dumb but they make everybody’s lives easier when everybody follows them.
As for temperature specifically, there’s nothing inherently better in Celsius or Fahrenheit. It’s just a choice. The only unit that is superior to all of them is the Kelvin because it has a true zero, but it’s not commonly used in everyday settings.
But there is something inherently better in Fahrenheit! 0 is fucking cold. 100 is goddamn hot. It’s a measure that makes sense to the perception of us, human beings.
0 in Celsius is a little cooler than brisk, and 100 means you’ve been dead for a while. It’s a dumb system for humans to use.
Yet somehow Celsius seems to speak to everybody outside the United States just fine.
0 means water freezing, 100 means water boiling. This is actually quite helpful to know instinctively.
Sure if we are cooking, doing chemistry or anything else that directly involves liquids and doesn’t need extremely specific values that Celsius isn’t equip to handle.
The only real difference between f and c is how fine the scale is. That’s it. Literally the ONLY functional difference.
If you dont need a finer scale then F has no benefits over C and they are entirely equal.
And realistically if your getting into precision just use fucking kelvin.
Both F and C objectively suck ass equally. Honestly the only time in my life I’ve found F or C to better is when I need to set the temp on a thermostat. F on cheap thermostats is more reliable as it has less leeway before it kicks on/off. Resulting in a more consistent air temperature.
C tends to drift more above and below the set point. But nicer thermostats tend to not have that issue anyways. So it’s a moot point most of the time.
This is such a bike shed issue. You’re being ridiculous.
I’m an American with a tenuous grasp of the C scale and even I know this is BS.
30 C isn’t that hot… hell, half of the country is regularly above that for over half the year.
And 30 F isn’t really that cold. Throw a hoodie on or maybe a light jacket.
I wish it were 30 F right now. I’m ready for summer to be over.
That’s why I’m glad I live where I’m more likely to complain about it being -40.
Eh, it’s all the same to me
Grand Forks, ND and MN would like a word…
UND represent!
Go Bison! :P
Not even mad; I don’t have any real connection to the Fighting Hawks - it was still the Fighting Sioux when I was there. Funny thing was that we were always technically the Flickertails on paper anyway, along with the green and pink official colors that they always liked to pretend were actually green and white.
When you said you were more likely to complain about -40, I just knew. I literally live in California, but my Dad’s family are from Park Rapids, MN. and avid UNC fans due to many of my family being alums.
100% of my experiences there were cold af minus temps like that.
I was surprised at the accurate guess, to be sure, haha!
Where we going Aunty?
Oh yeh knoe, we gotta drive up n goe too dah UND game tah-day.
But isn’t there is blizzard coming with -50 wind sheer?
Sure, but duh team needs us and it’s better than just sittin here. Besides, you’ve gone ice fishin in worse hun…
True story during the 1998 Blizzard.
Yo its like 97 degrees. Is that like the temperature of the sun in Europe?
30c is fucking cold tho… That’s still hoodie weather. The fuck do you mean you think that’s hot?!
We don’t even start to get to “God damn it’s hot out” till around 41-42c with 85-90% humidity
Nah 30c is “i wish it was socially acceptable to just walk around naked because I am fucking dying in a t shirt and shorts” weather.
40 is just that but worse
I hope I never have to experience high humidity 40 I might just keel over and die
30f is viable for shorts but only with a thick-ish jacket on upper body
I think you have it confused with -30C which is when put on a hoodie because the t-shirt isn’t enough anymore.
It’s 24c right now and I wish it was colder
Hot take: F is the superior temperature measurement for real people. If you are a scientist in a lab, sure, maybe referencing the state changes in water is useful for you somehow.
But for a normal person, 90% of the use of tempertature measurements is knowing what clothes to wear, and the other 10% is for setting oven temperatures. Oven temperatures are far hotter than waters boiling point, so F and C are equialvalently useful.
For knowing how to dress, however, F clearly has the advantage, as the numbers map to obvious temperature ranges. Ie,
100F = really fuckin hot
0F = really fuckin cold110 = really fucking hot
-10 = really fucking cold.
Yeah, really useful scale.
It is useful because you are used to it, it has no inherent better qualities over any other scale.
Eh -10 with no wind is shorts weather.
Temp is by it self an ass way to tell what to wear. You need wind humidity and temp to even remotely get an accurate idea.
Eh -10 with no wind is shorts weather.
Are you from mars? That’s fucking cold 😭
Does the water outside not freeze at 0°C? Because that seems to be pretty useful info as in there‘s ice outside or not
0C = water freezes, 100C = water boils
If this isn’t more useful, tell me.
I’m not a water elemental for one. And two I ain’t cooking or doing chemistry.
So it’s a fucking worthless and useless data point.
F and C are both stupid relative scales that are equally shit for the exact same reasons. And neither are any better then the other. They both fucking suck. Just use the one every else around you uses so you are understood and arnt that asshole in the room being obtuse because you think your better then everyone else.
Unless yer giving the wind chill and humidity too, air temp is fucking pointless anyways.
Just say it’s hot, cold, nice out. It’s good e fucking nuff
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You are roughly 70% water
And our body temp is roughly 98.6 F/37 C. Logically that should be the ideal ambient temperature for us, right?
