It’s obvious: the reason is money
Is it because Netgear is a “US” company? Meaning they are on the US stock exchange, have corporate offices in the US, and manufacture everything in Asia?
“Corruption” is the word you were looking for.
Yes, but that would take work.
This is tech journalism. If evidence connecting something can’t be Googled in 30 seconds, it’s just an area of speculation.
ah so don’t buy a netgear router because the US Government will be listening in/watching. got it.
Do you really think they weren’t already?
Did anybody ever confirm if standalone wireless access points are subject to this weird FCC ban thing? Because, like, you can make your own router out of an old computer.
I don’t think the FCC ban is really effective anyway. I was able to easily order a foreign-made router recently from the same reseller I’ve used in the past.
Also even if they did police the retailers for router sales, I doubt anybody on eBay is going to give a shit so there will be lots of routers for sale there.
The ban is on giving fcc license approval to new models, so stuff that’s out now can still sell
The FCC ruling prohibits the sale of new models of consumer router. It doesn’t forbid the continuing use of existing routers or, if I understand it right, the continued sale of models that were already on sale. So you can continue to use existing models as WAPs or routers. But when the tech and the security moves on the FCC wants the USA to be left behind.
I’m curious about standalone WAPs, not existing all-in-ones put into WAP mode. I’m guessing they just don’t fall under the “consumer” umbrella even though they are pretty cheap (this netgear is $54 USD on amazon)
This is for devices sold, specifically new devices sold. Not the existence (or making of) and it only affects specifically consumer-grade devices sold explicitly for the consumer market. So it wouldn’t affect universities, homelabs, or any corporation.
It is just a shake down for bribes to continue selling routers in the US, that’s it.
Yeah, it’s that consumer label that confuses me. Like, I doubt too many businesses are buying $54 USD Netgear WAPs, and their language specifically included SoHo stuff iirc.
Two possible reasons:
They agreed to installation of American spyware, probably not limited to models sold in the US, or they paid their dues to Trump, and he called the FCC.
More likely one reason… a combination of both.
Spyware preinstalled. Has to be.
Well netgear has a stellar reputation for screwing up their firmware horribly so if they are involved in implementing the implant it absolutely will be noticed.
Alternatively, if it suddenly starts working, we know they aren’t writing it.
Are they better than they were 2 decades ago?
Cause last time I had a netgear router, they screwed up their hardware too… Fucker got so hot that it literally liquefied its plastic shell.
It’s called lobbyist, and if you don’t like it, better accept it.
Sounds like netgear routers are now 100% confirmed to be compromised with backdoors instead of just being probable
Time to flash the old Netgear router with some open source firmware.
Yep, but unfortunately it’s not always as straight forward as it may sound. Plus, with routers becoming more difficult to acquire, it’ll only get harder and harder to pull off. But there’s OpenWRT and dd-WRT that work with a pretty decent range of routers as well as ASUS Merlin for many ASUS routers. Then, if you want to get nerdy with it and build your own router from an old computer, there’s OPNsense and pfSense. Eventually it’ll come down to these two if the ban is longterm and you want any semblance of obfuscation online…
GL.iNet are flashable and come with their fork of OpenWRT out of the box. I run the latest regular OpenWRT on mine.
Yes, OPNsense is excellent if you have a spare computer to run it. Then you can repurpose your consumer router as a WiFi access point. I still feel safer flashing the old WiFi router with open firmware before using it even as a WAP.
A iot lightbulb can be a router.
I tried getting into the nerdy side. I have an old PC with only one NIC, but apparently it needs two in order to bridge to a WiFi AP? That makes sense, but I don’t have an old PC with two NICs. Also, my NIC doesn’t support as much bandwidth as I have supplied anyhow. Sad times.
Edit: the desktop is old enough that the mobo doesn’t have the slots I need. Effectively, I have to get a new old burner PC. It’s an old ThinkCentre with a dvd player built in.
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USB network cards are even cheaper than PCIE if you don’t mind lower performance (if you don’t have USB3 ports you’re limited to theoretical 480Mbit)
If it’s a desktop PC you can buy a PCIe card with multiple Ethernet ports pretty cheap, especially if you buy used.
Well ya, you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall. Additionally, since NICs are the most crucial piece of hardware for routers and firewalls, it’ll only be as good as the hardware it runs on. Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds. So swapping the original NIC out and adding another is VERY typical when repurposing old PCs as a router. The most common options for NICs I’ve seen are the Intel I350-T2 and I350-T4. Ironically, they cost about as much as a decent router, but going this route actually puts you in control of your home network!
you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall.
I’m not sure I’d recommend it, but two (or more) VLANs on a single NIC would work fine too. This setup is usually referred to as “router on a stick”
I’m not sure about other OSes or Linux distros, but it’s easy to add multiple VLANs on Debian. You load the
8021qkernel module, then add interfaces suffixed with the VLAN ID (e.g. if your NIC isens3, you’d addens3.10to /etc/network/interfaces for VLAN 10). You’d also need to make sure the switch port is configured to allow VLAN10.Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds.
but the ones you’re suggesting (I350-T2 and -T4) are 12 years old.
Great, now I just need everyone else to do this, I can have the greatest most rebust setup imaginable, what am I gonna use it for? To talk to the other two people with similar setups?
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Except they don’t even bother with the table anymore.
First winner of the Netgear Peace Prize to be announced shortly.
Made me snort with that one
There’s a reason and the reason will likely be revealed to be kickbacks and payoffs.
Or perhaps other reasons…
Corruption is pretty obvious these days.
It may always have been, its just more obvious than before.
Yeah this. They’re not trying to hide it anymore. Just 10 years ago corruption may have required journalistic effort to uncover, now the admin yokels just shout it from the rooftops, hoping to “trigger the libs”.
Gonna be really funny when it’s revealed in 5 years that Netgear routers have a backdoor for the Chinese govt and the US okayed it because of the money the Trump admin got.
It’s literally the type of corruption that was claimed China would do for the last 4 decades.
…now see, you SAY funny. I think we have a difference of opinions on humor. You know what I find funny? You ever see that old video from the 90s of Donald Duck slumped down in his chair, getting a handjob from Daisey duck? And he can’t handle it. He’s all like “Ooooooweeeeee!!! Oh my gaaawwwwddddddd!!! Playin wit ma balls! Playin wit ma balls!!! Oooooooh!!!”
And then he just cums EVERYWHERE, and it’s all drippy on Daiseys face. She’s just kneeling there, with a shocked look on her face, and Donald says “I’ll go get you a towel!”
I found that funny. Not so much national corruption, bribery, and internet security fraud.
I don’t think Netgear has any link to China
Just where they are manufactured
That we know of… For now…
This tells me Netgear probably bent the knee and kissed the ring.
and paid the bribe
paid that troll toll.
Or opened its backdoor.
No que por los dos?
“Had its backdoor opened” rather. It’s the Epstein class we’re dealing with here.
