• LowResBeer@lemmy.ml
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    American liberals spent YEARS fighting anyone who suggested racism was still alive in america. But how could it be? They elected a half black man as president?

    Nevermind the indiscriminate bombings by said psychopath and the first election of trump. During bidens term, racism was dead again! Somehow!

    Until those very same liberals used racism to explain kamala harris’ rejection by the public. Even to this day they won’t attribute racism in explaining ice’s actions. In fact most didn’t care how many people died at ice’s hands until white people got shot in the face.

    In summary, americans, and yes american liberals are deeply racist, selfish and uneducated people. Their worldview makes no sense. And they are all unfathomably, profoundly stupid.

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      Its funny, if liberals spent half as much energy actually fighting racism rather than the idea it still exists maybe we would actually be getting somewhere

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    Heyyy that photo was taken a couple miles from where I am sitting. Terrifying.

    When I moved here, we rented a house in an all-black neighborhood. They weren’t um, super warm. In my “post-racial white savior” mentality, I’m like, this is odd, I’m trying to desegregate this place! Eventually one neighbor took the time to kindly educate me. Many of those older folks had family, grandparents and uncles, who were lynched in pubic. Many of them remember that photo being taken, most knew the Little Rock Nine personally. Their neighborhood was about safety, about a place they could be without constant worry. They reflexively did not like seeing young white folks move in. Holy shit I suddenly got it. As a gay guy I could imagine that applying to my own minority status.

    I live in a gayborhood now and sure enough, as the house next door goes on the market, we’re trying to make it clear conservative straight folks are not welcome.

    Perspective is interesting. I keep my mouth shut and my ears open when it comes to race, cause I grew up in a literally all-white town.

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    Every time someone says ICE is “unamerican” i have a little aneurism inside

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      Can they be historically American, but ideologically unfit for what we want America to be and the values many of us hold, and therefore align with the values of change for the better?

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        I understand the urge, but at what point are we having to pull out so many wires that it’s no longer the same thing? I think America exists beyond that point. Anything worthwhile we build out of this rotten mess will need to be so different that it won’t make much sense to call it by the same name.

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      It’s like the donald trump is a russian asset talk,

      Because no american could do such heinous things right?

      Donald trump is AMERICAN and is a reflection of america. People just can’t come to terms with reality, regardless of how clearly it’s spelled out for them.

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        He is a Russian Asset though, I would place most of his actions on the heritage foundation but they’ve been warning for years before he took office that he has Russian strings.

        Sure it’s not the reason he does everything but he has big enough lips to kiss many asses.

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        I think the Russian asset angle makes sense. The hate Trump has tapped into is All-American, but a lot of his actions seem to advance Russian interests at the expense of traditional American interests

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          People like you are why america is fucked.

          Trumps actions are merely hurting america’s hegemony, and many benefit from this. One of those country, Russia’s interests are in being a global super power, thus competing with america. And america and russia have generally been ideological enemies. It doesn’t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.

          Seriously man, it’s not fucking hard. Why does nobody think he’s a chinese asset? Or a north korean asset? Or a venezuelan asset? Or a myriad of other countries who compete with and strongly dislike america (and growing).

          Now you need to wake the fuck up to the fact that this is what america is! You know those concentration camps trump is using? They were built by obama. That genocide in gaza? Cosigned by biden. What is happening now was orchestrated and carefully built by your leaders and countrymen for CENTURIES. It’s also what you have been doing abroad ALL ALONG.

          So no trump isn’t a fucking asset, he’s just using the system YOU BUILT to advance his interests, and the interests of stephen miller and those around him. And here is the part that will really blow your goddamned mind. Every one of them ARE AMERICANS.

          THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN so shut the FUCK UP about the asset talk already. Why would he not lift sanctions on russia if he was an asset hmmm? Or why bomb and attack one of russias most important and key allies? Actually 2 of russias key allies, in january alone?! During a war? SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD REALLY HURT RUSSIA RIGHT?!?!?!?! If he’s an asset then his actions don’t make a lot of fucking sense now, do they.

          Enjoy living in homegrown fascism. You’ve earned it.

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            Sounds like something a Russian asset would say taps head in american

            Joking aside, I agree, the US has rotten bones and that’s hard to shake or build upon without the rot spreading. I’d argue, though, there aren’t many nations in the world that aren’t built on racism and genocide, xenophobic white people really got around a couple hundred plus years ago.

            There are people in the US that weren’t raised racist, and ones who were but fell far from the tree, just like there are anywhere else. I think the major failing those people (I’d like to say we) have here is a lack of imagination of how we can move to a better tomorrow. The problem is so big and runs so deep its hard to think about its shape much less ways to change it.

            Our media pushes us very specific propaganda, our health care is a joke, our education floundering (broken if you live in some places), and our lives demand most of our waking hours to pay for food and shelter. Its no good excuse, but largely Americans aren’t evil, just tired, sick, and poor, and they don’t have the extra to give until everything around them is crumbling. That looks lazy to people who haven’t lived it, but you’ll have to trust this lefty on the internet when I say its not lazy, maybe some learned helplessness, but definitely tired. Come to Mississippi (please don’t do this and don’t read it as a threat) and live for a couple weeks, you’ll see it quick.

            Shoot we’re also talking about a pretty big place. Oregon to Virginia is a long way and there’s a pretty big culture gradient in the middle.

            I hope our friends around the world block us out, push their leaders to dismantle the crap institutions the US has exported for generations, and really question their own biases before it gets as bad as this. I don’t think the US is unique in any significant way, y’all are susceptible to these things too, it’ll just be a different flavor and a different time, and I’d like to hope we will have fixed our shit by then in time to have your back, but I’m pessimistic.

            I try to differentiate between nations and citizens here, where I can. We aren’t our grandparents, but our government literally is and was made by them.

            Also trump did get help from Russian organizations to get elected in 2016, so there’s clearly ties, and not in the same way to China or Venezuela. Also also he can be both a fundamentally American creation and a Russian asset, that would be very effective as a way to dismantle the post WWII status quo, which seems to be a specific goal of Putin’s Russia. FWIW I don’t really think he’s a direct asset, though there are 100% people around him on the take from whoever will pay, I’m just imagining why someone might believe that.

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    What’s crazy is in my area, most people are Cajun, the Cajuns faced so much discrimination, deportation and even an attempted genocide, and successful assimilation, Cajun French is essentially a dead language. Their Great and great great grandparents were facing discrimination for being accepting of people of color and for not speaking English. Yet due to lack of education of their own history most Cajuns don’t realize they’re perpetuation the very I justices their ancestors went through, hell, half there’s a huge population of cajuns that are POC and don’t even realize it!

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    Racism is imbued in America’s DNA. It’s never easy to root out something so foundational. It takes a real hard look in the mirror and, let’s be honest, when America looks at itself in the mirror it isn’t for self-reflection.

    Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.

    At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. A scenario like that of Sinclair Lewis’ novel It Can’t Happen Here may then be played out. For once such a strongman takes office, nobody can predict what will happen. In 1932, most of the predictions made about what would happen if Hindenburg named Hitler chancellor were wildly overoptimistic.

    One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past 40 years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words ‘nigger’ and ‘kike’ will once again be heard in the workplace. All the sadism which the academic left has tried to make unacceptable to its students will come flooding back. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet.

    Achieving our Country by Richard Rorty (1998).

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        By no means is it alone but it is absolutely unique in having imported millions of slaves across an ocean, predicating its initial society and economy on a race based caste system. Yes a civil war was fought but, even afterwards, many supported continuing this race based caste system and so it persisted in the form of segregation, which existed during the lives of our parents and grandparents. Without a legitimate act of national reflection and reconciliation these wounds and fault lines won’t heal.

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    be “European religious”

    genocide the locals

    depend on chattel slavery to work the now empty land

    even though they do what you won’t and would never do what you do, you still find them inferior somehow, less than human

    same with any group that isn’t too Anglo/Germanic, actually, on a colour gradient

    use gunboat diplomacy and raids to keep your neighbours subservient

    use racism to push for war, generation after generation, and they still eat it up

    rape and pillage brown places to your heart’s content

    abuse, murder and incarcerate brown people back home because slavery is still legal if you’re in jail

    But ICE is shocking, lol. No, American hatred, amorality and self-centeredness to the point of psychopathy allowed for both.

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      the civil rights movement has been incredibly whitewashed in US education. Americans were overwhelmingly against de-segregation, there was tons of violence against black Americans, and that violence was not solely committed by police officers.

      The Klan might seem like a relic of the past now, but the KKK was incredibly powerful during the 50s and 60s, to the point where in my home state, 1/3 of men were Klansmen and were a significant political bloc. They weren’t just voting in politicians that supported their vile views though, they were lynching people and burning crosses on lawns and shit.

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        1/3? Man, those are rookie numbers. Something like 80% of my home state were members at one time.

        (Which makes sense, as back then we had actual laws on the books that made us a ‘whites only’ state.)

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        The baby boomers are a mixed bag, some have learned to change their perspective. The ~1920s - 1940s generation, not many left now, were often racist to the core and only believed that certain people of color were “one of the good ones.”

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          Yup. My grandmother was born in 1922 and the amount of casually racist things she dropped was crazy.

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    Those are the folks demanding “state’s rights” while supporting invasion of states by federal troops and downplaying the 2nd amendment.