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14 minutes agothis came to mind watching ai software developers proselytize moving from place to place like gypsies on socal media for the last few weeks. lol
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you trust a handful of self-selected people who told you stories you already wanted to believe. that’s not evidence – it’s confirmation bias. first-hand accounts can be wrong, embellished, or shaped by their own trauma and exposure to propaganda before they ever left. you’re not a historian or a judge; you’re someone who listened to stories that matched what you saw on tv and decided they must be the whole truth. the fact that you can’t imagine any other explanation – that you’re certain everyone who disagrees is just “the system” lying to you – is the fundamental problem. that’s exactly what being propagandized looks like from the inside.
i’m not a marxist and most of us aren’t; you should adjust your views to gain a full understanding of what’s happening here.
american culture won’t lend itself to that and never will.
the grooming i referenced earlier was enabled by encouraging people to reach their own conclusions sourced from ignorance and misinformation; so it feels to each one that they’ve reasoned it out themselves and any direct/managed effort to the contrary will be received as a “big brother” overreach.
time alone doesn’t inoculate you from propaganda. referring to events you didn’t witness firsthand, in a country you don’t live in, with certainty about what you saw on western news – that’s not firsthand knowledge, it’s a mediated narrative you’ve absorbed as fact. propaganda doesn’t require lies; it just needs selective framing that feeds your outrage. wanting all governments to “burn to the ground” isn’t independent thinking – it’s a script that’s been handed to you, and your inability to see that is exactly how propaganda works.
i’m not saying every account is false. the problems is how these stories are treated as automatically credible without scrutiny, especially when there’s documented evidence of coordinated disinformation campaigns and done by the perpetrators no less.
we don’t base policy on individual testimony alone – look for patterns, corroboration, and motive. when a government or a well-funded exile group has a demonstrated interest in shaping public opinion, skepticism isn’t the same as victim-blaming. it’s just basic due diligence.
I desire freedom for my Chinese brothers and sisters, just as they did in 1989 when I watched them get murdered on the news. Not what the US claims as Freedom™. More like what the Six Nations described. Real freedom. Just like I want the US government to burn to the ground since it is incapable of reform, I want the CCP to either actually reform and place the citizens over power and wealth, or burn that shit to the ground as well.
nothing is going to change if you can’t see past the propaganda you’re parroting here.
it’s the result of generations long grooming fostered by our ruling class and the only way to break it (i’m guessing) is to keep providing sources that contradict it repeatedly so that the person will change their own mind once their own life is negatively impacted by the propaganda like mine was.
the freedom of information act shows a decades long storied history of people getting paid and pushed to make up shit about the places they’ve come from.
also gusanos (as in cubano gusano) are a thing.
Dude I hate all countries especially my own. I’m immune to your racist CCP bullshit. I know your history and mine. Guess what? Yours is way worse.
i would love to see the measure you’re using for this insane take. lol
smugness is the strongest feature of american (and western) willful ignorance and i suspect that any success in this arena depends on building a tolerance to it.
i doubt that they ever will
there are plenty of non-chinese sources that say this (eg UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, Amsterdam University Academics, etc.).
the problem is that these viewpoints are not parroted by western media, so it’s up to you to look for it rather than been spoonfed propaganda saying that it is happening.
– but it’s still a novel idea to many so it might as well be new.
the only evidence we have come from clearly biases sources; either directly from the western gov’ts or organizations that are enabled by western gov’ts.
evidence from gaza comes from some random guy on the streets with a smartphone.
no, it’s a public urinal that’s so popular that the uk gov’t had to move it a secret location. lol
TANKIE!!!
lol
and they’re the ones with the murder robots too.
someone should make a weed smoothie. lol
you’re doing it again. you’re assuming that just because someone has a job in the us and spoke to you, they’re automatically a credible, unbiased source. that’s not how memory, trauma, or propaganda work. people can genuinely believe what they’re saying and still be wrong – also still be repeating a version of events shaped by decades of exile and media reinforcement.
you also keep framing this as “real people” vs. “the other side,” as if the chinese government’s official account is the only alternative to fallible informants. that’s a false choice. there are historians, journalists, and researchers who don’t work for either the ccp or the us government and who have pieced together more nuanced versions than either “nothing happened” or the narrative you’re holding onto and they’re very easy to find.
the fact that you won’t entertain the possibility that your sources might be incomplete or shaped by their own biases – and instead mock anyone who questions you as ignorant of how jobs work – says you’re not actually weighing evidence. you’re defending an identity. and that’s what someone who’s been propagandized does, whether they realize it or not.