The Chinese aren’t ahead of the curb here, they are significantly behind. Flavored cigs got banned in most countries many years ago because they did too good a job. I expect the same thing will happen in China soon.
One of the reasons they were banned was also because it made them more attractive to children and teenagers. That’s also one of the reasons a lot of places don’t allow fancy designs on cigarette packs and it forces them to show those gruesome pictures of throat cancer and stuff.
It’s not just about protecting children, it’s about protecting everyone.
Nicotine is wildly addictive. Full stop. It and a host of other chemicals also cause a wide range of health issues that greatly strain the medical system, and put strains on healthcare budgets.
Since banning the product outright will likely not work, due to the aforementioned addictiveness, sensible countries have adopted a slightly different approach of making the cancer sticks as unappealing as possible, both to keep kids from starting and to help people already addicted quit.
host of other chemicals also cause a wide range of health issues
It’s mostly the tobacco causing health issues, not the wonderfully addictive nicotine. But yeah, it’s a good thing that flavored cigarettes are banned.
Though it seems like big tobacco found a loophole on the first day, as you can still get menthol cigarettes in EU… it’s just not as strongly minted as it was prior to the ban.
The worst is I could smoke 4 full strength hand rolled cigarettes, with all the harm of tobacco, and still be craving a single boxed cigarette because the additives and poisons they mix are missing from my bagged tobacco.
Yeah, it was especially bad when it was pre-made like that. Every bar where I live sells energy drinks and they’ll mix it with booze for you. But you have to make that decision in the moment as opposed to buying 12 4lokos instead of beers and now every drink you have wires you up more.
As someone who has to wake up early most days I appreciate the ability to have an energy drink at a bar on a Friday night, but I’m sympathetic to the ban on alcoholic energy drinks
They add so much sugar too, which slows absorbtion, so once you feel like you’ve had enough, you still have a half hour of alcohol that hasn’t reached the blood stream. Its like it was designed to get teenagers blacked out.
It would be less dangerous if they just put 4oz of whiskey with 150mg of caffine.
They tried that. Famously so. So now we pay a fuck load of money trying to get people to willingly stop, and on enforcement of traffic laws.
Which is why you can still buy your cancer sticks to feed your addiction, but not flavored. Because that’s a low hanging fruit. Just ban the cancer companies from flavoring their cancer sticks like candy. Make it obvious that they’re selling you your slow, painful death.
Maybe you’re lost in your addiction, but maybe someone else can use this to quit, and maybe a kid won’t start. It’s all still cheaper than the healthcare costs of tobacco.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands dead due to drunk driving, or the many women and children who suffer domestic abuse from alcoholics.
Alcohol is one of , if not the worst drugs for society because it can cause belligerence which can lead to violence, and it lowers inhibitions and cognitive capabilities causing people to do dangerous shit and failing horrifically and harming people like drunk driving.
The liquor stores in Canada are primarily monopolize by the provincial governments, which is for the best, but it does have its obvious negative externalities lol. I always make an effort to go to a govt store over a private corp if I can
There’s a profit ceiling, though. And a lot of countries are finding out that the larger cost of cigarette usage is borne by the healthcare systems that need to spend a disproportionate volume of resources to manage the various health complications caused by a lifetime of smoking.
If anything it should be easier to kill a cigarette industry owned by the government, because the ones profiting are the ones paying the long term cost
the tabacco lobby there (state owned, makes basically the same amount of money the chinese military spends) banned flavored vapes so the citizen take cigarettes instead
about 40% of chinese people smoke so its definetly something where state & tabacco propaganda succeeded. About korea: i dont know, i only saw the documentary about the chinese mega company
Except cigarettes are a state-run monopoly over there.
The main reason things are going so slowly is that they can’t bring themselves to stop making so much money.
The same institution that’s supposed to promote the facts about the health-risks of smoking is the one making stupid amounts of money making and selling it.
If they ever stop, it’ll be because they transition to other nicotine products, or shift to exporting the product to developing countries (which they already are).
The Chinese aren’t ahead of the curb here, they are significantly behind. Flavored cigs got banned in most countries many years ago because they did too good a job. I expect the same thing will happen in China soon.
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One of the reasons they were banned was also because it made them more attractive to children and teenagers. That’s also one of the reasons a lot of places don’t allow fancy designs on cigarette packs and it forces them to show those gruesome pictures of throat cancer and stuff.
Exactly, that’s why vapes come in many flavours and colours
I thought that the US banned flavored vapes.
If your home country has not, encourage politicians to ban vapes altogether.Edit: In retrospect, I should let the vape addicts be.
And ban alcohol, too. And sugar.
Because adults like many different flavors?
And colors. And flashing lights. Just look at how psychotic adult people go over fireworks.
It’s a bullshit justification. Adults like flavors other than plain tobacco and menthol.
If it was really about protecting children, they’d ban flavored alcohol too.
It’s not just about protecting children, it’s about protecting everyone.
Nicotine is wildly addictive. Full stop. It and a host of other chemicals also cause a wide range of health issues that greatly strain the medical system, and put strains on healthcare budgets.
Since banning the product outright will likely not work, due to the aforementioned addictiveness, sensible countries have adopted a slightly different approach of making the cancer sticks as unappealing as possible, both to keep kids from starting and to help people already addicted quit.
It’s mostly the tobacco causing health issues, not the wonderfully addictive nicotine. But yeah, it’s a good thing that flavored cigarettes are banned.
Though it seems like big tobacco found a loophole on the first day, as you can still get menthol cigarettes in EU… it’s just not as strongly minted as it was prior to the ban.
I meant other chemicals in the tobacco.
https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/42/070/42070498.pdf
And that’s the tip of the iceberg, there are chemical washes, pesticides, and other shit that’s just as bad.
And the byproducts of combustion!
The worst is I could smoke 4 full strength hand rolled cigarettes, with all the harm of tobacco, and still be craving a single boxed cigarette because the additives and poisons they mix are missing from my bagged tobacco.
Many places banned caffeinated booze for similar reasons.
The caffinated booze is a different hazard, it allows people who would otherwise go to sleep keep going, now with even worse judgement.
Yeah, it was especially bad when it was pre-made like that. Every bar where I live sells energy drinks and they’ll mix it with booze for you. But you have to make that decision in the moment as opposed to buying 12 4lokos instead of beers and now every drink you have wires you up more.
As someone who has to wake up early most days I appreciate the ability to have an energy drink at a bar on a Friday night, but I’m sympathetic to the ban on alcoholic energy drinks
They add so much sugar too, which slows absorbtion, so once you feel like you’ve had enough, you still have a half hour of alcohol that hasn’t reached the blood stream. Its like it was designed to get teenagers blacked out.
It would be less dangerous if they just put 4oz of whiskey with 150mg of caffine.
Ok, if it was about protecting everyone, they’d get rid of flavored alcohol too. Alcohol is one of the most harmful drugs on the planet.
They tried that. Famously so. So now we pay a fuck load of money trying to get people to willingly stop, and on enforcement of traffic laws.
Which is why you can still buy your cancer sticks to feed your addiction, but not flavored. Because that’s a low hanging fruit. Just ban the cancer companies from flavoring their cancer sticks like candy. Make it obvious that they’re selling you your slow, painful death.
Maybe you’re lost in your addiction, but maybe someone else can use this to quit, and maybe a kid won’t start. It’s all still cheaper than the healthcare costs of tobacco.
We should also ban sugar, for all the same reasons.
Alcohol only negatively affects one person, not everyone around them, and in moderation has almost no negative effects.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands dead due to drunk driving, or the many women and children who suffer domestic abuse from alcoholics.
Alcohol is one of , if not the worst drugs for society because it can cause belligerence which can lead to violence, and it lowers inhibitions and cognitive capabilities causing people to do dangerous shit and failing horrifically and harming people like drunk driving.
there is no safe level of alcohol consumption it is poison, and I say that as someone who drinks often.
unlikely. Basically all cigarettes are produced by CNTC or one of their subsidiaries.
CNTC is owned by the state and rakes in a lot of money for the government.
The liquor stores in Canada are primarily monopolize by the provincial governments, which is for the best, but it does have its obvious negative externalities lol. I always make an effort to go to a govt store over a private corp if I can
There’s a profit ceiling, though. And a lot of countries are finding out that the larger cost of cigarette usage is borne by the healthcare systems that need to spend a disproportionate volume of resources to manage the various health complications caused by a lifetime of smoking.
If anything it should be easier to kill a cigarette industry owned by the government, because the ones profiting are the ones paying the long term cost
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the tabacco lobby there (state owned, makes basically the same amount of money the chinese military spends) banned flavored vapes so the citizen take cigarettes instead
Is this why some manwha/hua mc smoke?
about 40% of chinese people smoke so its definetly something where state & tabacco propaganda succeeded. About korea: i dont know, i only saw the documentary about the chinese mega company
Except cigarettes are a state-run monopoly over there.
The main reason things are going so slowly is that they can’t bring themselves to stop making so much money.
The same institution that’s supposed to promote the facts about the health-risks of smoking is the one making stupid amounts of money making and selling it.
If they ever stop, it’ll be because they transition to other nicotine products, or shift to exporting the product to developing countries (which they already are).
I’m still pissed China banned direct to consumer sales. I miss Fasttech.
Didnt they already ban vapes?
Or did I mishear something.