• Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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    Honestly, the way you become ungovernable is the same way the government becomes unaccountable to the people.

    Passive hostility. Slow roll everything. Throw a wrench in every system you can. Stop at all stop signs and railroad tracks, and wait 3 seconds to confirm all other traffic has stopped. Make every request in writing, using snail mail, then call every day (or multiple times a day) to see if they got your requests. Demand everything communication to you is done in the slowest and most expensive way for them possible. File FOIA requests for everything. Cop pulls you over, take a while to find your license and registration. Become sludge, become a quagmire. Make anything and everything the government does to you a huge use of their time and effort. Embrace your inner old man “get off my lawn” energy.

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      To add to this, you can generate lists of likely emails of CEOs and yell at them and get free stuff. ATT gave me 6 free months and a free phone. They actually have to have done some bullshit, though. But channel your inner Karen. It’s okay when you aim it at the C suite instead of the store manager.

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    Uncle Ted is a fun meme but individual action isn’t a solution to systemic problems. His anarcho primitivist (I know he didn’t claim the label, but c’mon) critiques are also founded on the flawed assumption that technology is the root of all evil. He harkens back to an idyllic past that never existed to justify his beliefs and actions. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? He’s just leftist edgelord Elliot Rodgers. In terms of defense, this is how being ungovernable looks

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        In the same way that the zapatistas aren’t anarchist but the venn diagram between zapatismo an anarchism is basically a circle? Or like how bookchin made a few tweaks to anarchism and called it communalism because he was annoyed with the popular individualist anarchist movements of the 70s-90s?

        Sure, by that metric he isn’t an anarchist (specifically an anprim, which is distinct from other flavors of anarchism) but the differences are vague

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          Communalism was meant to be a prescriptive response to what he saw as a lack of actionable ideas, and also a desire to carve out a piece of the “New Left” pie.

          Bookchin also basically disavowed his entire philosophy in the 90s.

          He was never Anarcho-primitivist though. His whole thing was that technology could/would allow humans to reduce conflict with nature.

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            I was referring to kaczynski with the anprim stuff, and I was definitely being a bit reductive with bookchin. I view communalism as another set of tools in the libertarian toolbox to build a horizontal society. There’s just tons of overlap in the libertarian left sphere, ideology and praxis-wise

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          Or like how bookchin made a few tweaks to anarchism and called it communalism because he was annoyed with the popular individualist anarchist movements of the 70s-90s

          i was familiar with communalism (i used to consider myself a communalist) but i did not know the history. is The Communalist Project a good place to start reading or should i go in some proper order

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            Are you looking to read into the history or theory of communalism? The Communalist Project is a good place to start for theory, it’s a pretty short essay though. Anything bookchin wrote in the mid-90s-00s is squarely in the Communalist arc of his theory. His early writings are also great though. You really can’t go wrong with him

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      if the roles were reversed, how many innocent people would you let your brother blow up?

      for me it depends on the sibling lol. I have more patience with some than others.

  • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
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    What it actually means

    Edit: looks like I fucked up grabbing a picture off ddg without looking closely. But you get the idea

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      Sorry but community gardening as a solution is one of the worst I’ve heard. It’s very hard to achieve the same level of scale and efficiancy that large farms do with these small gardens. For instance, I see no machinery in this picture. Are we really wanting to go back to the days where farming is done by hand?

      Sure it’s good for the soul to get together and grow things but as a means to feed society it’s just not viable.

      Do you really think a small group of farmers is ungovernable? Peasant farmers have been exploited for pretty much the entire history of humanity!

      Ungovernable means civil disobedience, it means sabotage. It does mean building community, but if your community only wants to farm, remember to pay the king after the harvest.

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        This kind of labour intensive farming is actually orders of magnitude more efficient (on an acres of land farmed basis) than mechanized industrialized farming.

        But you are not entirely wrong that “community gardening” is insufficient, but good luck convincing anyone to engage in serious civil disobedience etc. when there is no alternative support network that can feed them while doing so.

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          I can believe that but I think the more important metric is labour hours vs food produced. Less labour and more food means more time for other activities.

          A support network for civil disobedience can never exist. The state would shut it down immediatly. And yet disobedience must occur if the system is to truly change.

          This is where we find ourselves. Destroy flock cameras. Don’t get caught. Support Palestine Action. Don’t get caught. Use what little time is available to fight back. But most importantly, don’t get caught because no one else can afford to save you.

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            There are always people that have time to invest in low risk activities but can’t invest them in high risk ones, usually because of dependents they need to take care off.

            A support network for civil disobedience can never exist. The state would shut it down immediatly. And yet disobedience must occur if the system is to truly change.

            Civil disobedience literally can’t exist without a support network and there are plenty of examples where it has existed with the state doing little to nothing to prevent that. There are always ways to fly under the radar for such support networks.

            Destroying flock cameras is not a bad idea, but it is largely inconsequential. Style over substance so to say.

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        I guess, but things like community gardens get people together, to communicate, share ideas and help each other out. Modern capitalism attempts to eradicate community and keep the individual alone, stuck inside, easily manageable and placated with tailored content online.

        Building community seems like an important bit of defiance, even if it doesn’t ‘scale up to industrial levels’. It depends what your goal is here, and I don’t think the ‘goal’ of community gardens was ever to feed an entire society.

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          Indeed. I can certainly see the benefits of this type of activity. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea for mental health and a sense of community.

          But we had better community in the past and still felt the crushing weight of capitalism. Fighting back means fighting back. Community gardening is the left side of the meme.

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        I took it to be about building community rather than literally working on raised beds

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          yeah, if you want a garden that has good yield, you need furrows not raised beds. my friend gordon had a small half acre farm/garden attached to his property (he was a horticulturist and that was his food field. the next half acre was his experimenting field).

          also i just realized all my horticulture (soil science and farm) friends are either named gordon or toby. i’m starting to think there’s some nominative determinism there because all the gordons and tobies i know are horticulture people.

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      Then the cops break this up and the city has it torn up for not following the rules. And you know it wasnt very useful anyway sure a nice thing to do and to build community but far from revolutionary.

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    Me watching as the slavers feet get turned into bolognese after meeting one of the claymore roombas