Lmao this is already out of date, missing “we’re blocking the strait to unblock it”
“Hurp durp, high prices Democrat Party durrrr”
“It’s all biden’s fault for leaving this mess for President Trump”
A kernel of truth to this, if you recognize that both Republican and Democrats have wanted the Iranian government overthrown and replaced with American loyalists for nearly fifty years.
The Obama/Biden strategy was to let the State Department polarize the rest of the region against Iran and squeeze them until they capitulated. The Bush/Trump strategy has been to outright assassinate Iranian officials, seize Iranian assets abroad, and plot an invasion of the sovereign territory.
We have a bipartisan consensus on wiping the IRGC and the Muslim-led anti-American government off the map. The question was never of policy, only of strategy.
I’m pretty convinced that there are real people, and there are bots/inciters.
The vast majority of the ones you (and real people magas) hear are bots and inciters.
I wonder what level or percentage of bots and inciters would be needed to destabilize a country’s people, and what level of influence like this would be needed to sustain it. Honestly? Probably not much, the United States is constantly on its own internal cold civil war and has been since the beginning.
Maybe there’s a great intellectual threshold needed to see through the bullshit, and most people are born into systems built to prevent seeing through that threshold by any means necessary.
I’m still seeing a lot of red-pill bumper stickers and trump flags in the back of pickups.
I’m not saying there’s not paid trolls on the internet, but there are still WAY too many supporters with IRL, local impact shit the way it is.
Well i know there can be billions of bots but there’s literally 70M real people who actually voted for him lmao
You think far, far too highly of Americans. By international standards most aren’t even educated and would be considered grade school drop outs. Adding onto that over half the US population has been exposed to unsafe lead levels in their water and environment for their entire lives, including at least half still exposed today.
https://medium.com/@shel0774/reddit-the-heart-of-the-internet-the-face-of-manipulation-b2653bba054c
The lies in the meme are identical to how Russia handles optics in order to project strength from a position of utter fucking weakness. Apparently that’s how your country operates now too.
I work with a bunch of magats and a lot of the customers are magats as well. A customer was talking to me about current events and the magat boss cuts us off and says to the customer, “Careful, hes not like us”. Like, excuse me? the hell did you just say? You’re right, I can think for myself… They complain of echo chambers but create bubbles around them in real life and refuse to even talk to people who aren’t “like them”.
Why do you work there?
Im looking for other work but its slow going. This job was what i could find at the time.
Healthcare is tied to employment in Free America.
idk about you but I also have to pay my bills and then pay to eat here is USA otherwise I lose my home or die
Money probably
It is so hard to get a decent work in the USA now, so that it is no wonder why this guy tolerates it for as long as he can.
Another maga take: “I’m okay with getting US soldiers killed since we are killing more of them”
The Iranian regime did kill a lot of protesters although the exact number is hard to verify and it should not be used as justification for war crimes and terrorism from the American Regime against the Iranian people.
The people of Iran are in a lose - lose situation.
Edit: The US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA) reported over 5,000–7,000 deaths
This is correct. The People of Iran need time to sort through their problems, and freedom from sanctions from the West so they can trade with the rest of the world.
We are both starving the Iranian people and bombing them. All while failing to achieve democracy like we say we want.
But tbh, we really don’t know what secret intel they have
“As punishment for Iran killing their own civilians we are going to kill more of their civilians” -12d chess with time travel
Preemptive strike on a children’s school
Wouldn’t want them to grow up and die in a protest.
I’ve only heard of one such strike. As shitty as that situation is, we should take a lesson from that when we repurpose military complexes. Even if it was by mistake, that would be a huge mistake since it had been repurposed like 15 years ago.
You know we double tapped that one school, right? an hour after the first bomb the school was full of emergency responders and parents searching for their kids and a second bomb hit while that was happening.
There were actually two strikes on two separate schools that day, one in Minab and one in Lamerd. The one in Minab that killed all the schoolgirls overshadowed the coverage of the other (I’m assuming because of the moral outrage of killing so many schoolgirls). I didn’t actually know about the second until NYT did a report about it much later (linked above).
Thanks, haven’t heard of Lamerd.
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The number is like 3K-4k and those were mostly CIA/Mossad plants that were also given weapons to shoot at police, and were given Starlink satellites to receive orders to foment riots so they can be used as an excuse to overthrow a “regime”
Thus demonstrating that baseless cope is not just limited to MAGA, I guess.
3k is one of the the lower estimates, there are much higher estimates as well.
However I can assure you that not all protesters or people that had access to the internet killed were CIA/Mossad plants. I saw many videos of unarmed protesters being mowed down and driven over in the streets.
The Iranian people are suffering, and the Iranian regime is terrible, however they will not be liberated by the US or Israel.
Yes, there are higher numbers coming for the CIA, and groups funded by CIA like HRANA, and there are also higher numbers coming from Zionist owned media like The Free Press and CBS, which cite those numbers, from those sources.
Do you need help?
If that is what you truly believe then I fear that you are a danger to yourself and others and should not be trusted to be alone or around children. There are a lot of resources available to use, even in the U.S.
I implore you to seek help from professionals.
Yeah, it’s been real disheartening to see how many people think that Palestinians should be genocided because Hamas burned down the Reichstag building, and how many people think that all the books on trans ideology should be burned.
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The people of Iran have mobilized and bonded over support of their government. Maybe we should stop repeating CIA talking points, since regardless of the numbers, the only people served are the evil USA regime committing genocides globally, either directly or indirectly, vis proxy states or well-paid and well-armed “freedom fighters” such as SDF and Da’esh.
Less support of their government, more support of their infrastructure. Everyone’s government could magically disappear tomorrow and life would only continue and get better. The US government, the Iranian government, neither one deserves support.
Unfortunately, if they elect a secular government, like their previous president(PM?), Israel will just assissinate them, while the USA will assisinat their religious leader, and then threaten the leader of another religion, the Pope. USA and Israel are terrorist states, and I’m having a hard time figuring out which blind is leading the blind.
- Not having large centralized official central structures of power and governance, what would the US or Israel target.
- That the US or Israel might attack doesn’t make the Iranian government slaughtering their own citizens good or acceptable. The Iranian government slaughtering their own doesn’t justify the US or Israel taking over killing them.
Support like attacking checkpoints?
That’s Israel and a 2 second search would have told you that. Maybe you should educate yourself instead of talking shit.
Ah yes, only you know the one truth, everyone else is dumb. One example.
I didn’t say that, you did, and I’m not going to visit a site I left three years ago
In brighter news, the trump house near me took down their trump stuff. Now it’s just generic “god bless America” conservative stuff.
It was probably the “praise be to Allah” thing, wasn’t it?
I live on kinda the outskirts of the ghetto, drive through it everyday to get to town, and there’s this one house, dilapidated af, looks like it should be condemned, busted ass Ford Explorer non-opped on the dogshit-encrusted gravel path—and it’s had Trump signs all over the front fence for ten damn years now.
Idk how to make people like this understand that Donny John literally would not piss on you if you were on fire. He’d just call you white trash, then rape your daughter on his way out.
Glad yours took their signs down, but damn. Lotta people have decided to die on this garbage ass hill.
Most Trump supporters don’t like Muslims. The praise be to allah only reenforces that because now they both know they are on the same side of hating them.
It would only make make democrats hate him, but they already do.
I didn’t think mocking Muslims is what is doing trump in, it’s probably the whole package.
Many Christians found this insulting too because it was on Easter.
For example, Tucker Carlson stated that Trump’s post is insulting to both Muslims and Christians. He said that he was personally insulted by it.
Missing the classic “YOU JUST HAVE TDS”
In Vietnam war, US narrative that gave the impression of continuous victory was Vietcong body count ratio of 10:1+ over dead Americans. Very few ordinary Americans received a cheque (income increase) related to Vietcong body count.
In Iran, US spending $40B + expected Israel reinbursement of their $20B, to blow up over 9000 shit, and more than what Iran blew up can only be related to victory, if it was a goal to have a higher video game score measured in TNT damage. If it was a goal to make oil prices yoyo up and down, but mostly up, then victory achieved. The propaganda about US winning in illegal war on Iran simply can’t be measured in metrics unrelated to goals.
Some many of these are corporate Democrat talking points as well 😮💨
ITT: Whitewashing and justifying all the protester-murdering Iran did a couple months ago.
What comment are you referring to, specifically?
This one in particular. Every time we see a protest in an authoritarian regime, it is excused as a CIA plot, the actual people are never acknowledged as humans fucking pissed at having a boot to their neck.
IRL, I’ve been accused as being a paid shill because I protest. Authoritarian shitheads literally cannot imagine people have different opinions from them, nor that they would take any action over it.
There’s no proof they were mass killing anyone it’s been used as a “justification” to invade Iran for American imperial interests. I’ve seen no proof that protesters were mass killed and I’ve in fact seen more Iranians claim the internet blackout and mass killings were bullshit. I’m tired of seeing that this is Iran’s or Trumps fault or that it’s to “distract from the Epstein files” which is the dumbest bullshit you could think of… cmon yall the “progressive” governor of my state literally said they would preemptively strike Iran in a debate before Trump was even president again.
I’m glad I asked. I agree, that comment is bullshit. The way you responded, it wasn’t clear what you meant, to be honest. It reads a bit like you’re defending the MAGA justification for going to war.
“They killed 20k protestors” is ambiguous in its meaning. Are they saying that’s a lie, and MAGA is stupid for not seeing that it’s a psyop? Or are they saying MAGA is stupid for thinking that’s really why we’re going to Iran, to rescue the civilians, and save them from this evil regime?
You seem to have taken the first interpretation. I think a lot of other people here assumed the second. Also, I don’t even see that comment, so it’s even more confusing what you meant.
Is that a prediction or have they edited it out already because I cant see any
Do you believe Iran murdering their own civilians justifies America bombing Iranian schoolgirls?
Lemmy is wild, you can say “People are defending mass murder of protesters” and someone will respond with “Oh, so you like schoolgirls getting murdered?”
No bitch. Thats a whole new sentence. Wtf are you talking about???
RickyRigatoni’s reply was valid. The OP mentioned Iran killing 20k protestors as a MAGAt excuse for Trump’s illegal and stupid war. You called this “whitewashing”, which it isn’t, because even though the killings did occur, they do not constitute a valid justification as the MAGAts claim… This was RickyRigatoni’s point. Nobody is defending or denying Iran’s killing of protesters.
In the thread people are literally are calling the humans with husbands, wives, sisters, brothers, and mothers murdered for protesting “Mossad plants”.
I won’t defend Trumpian bloodthirsty colonialism. Just pointed out how people are downplaying and excusing an evil theocratic regime that terrorizes their own citizens.
“people” meaning one troll? Yeah so downvote report and move on. Now everyone else on the thread has to answer for one troll shithead comment??
Then explain why you downvoted my other comment. Because that’s what it looks like to me.
Oh gods, did I downvote a comment that was mocking the thousands shot in the face for protesting agaisnt a theocratic regime? Oh, gee, thank you for cyberstalking my downvotes to correct me, it makes us all feel safer in the 'verse!
Ok but the Iranian regime killed between like 15k and 40k protestors. That has been reported by many independent organizations.
Goddamn it, we fucking know.
If Trump was trying to rescue them from the Iranian regime, he sure has a weird way of going about it, yeah? The only thing he’s been bitching about is opening the strait. He’s even threatened to bomb Iran “back to the stone age where they belong” his words, if they don’t comply. And “kill an entire civilization”, doesn’t really sound like a good way to stop the murder of civilians.
Iran committing violence against their citizens is reprehensible and should be condemned. Obviously. But if you really believe that’s why Trump is waging this war, you should consider the overwhelming evidence that he’s been played by the Israelis and his sycophant cabinet is too scared to tell him it’s a fucking horrible, stupid idea, that will only serve to harm US interests in the region. If the Iranians benefit in any way from this war, it’s an unintended consequence. He’s a moron with a god complex. He has ZERO care for the Iranian people, because he only cares about himself. That’s all he’s ever cared about.
yall are like rabid dogs. You just get one little whiff of something and then make up the rest in your own head. Where did I dispute anything else, or show support for anything else?
I literally pointed out that one of those “facts” is wrong. Obviously Trump is beholden to Israel (because of Epstein) and the oil lobby and MIC, and he’s crazy bla bla bla. I shouldn’t have to say that in every single comment. Y’all are really something. Learn to read.
If I misread your comment, I apologize. It’s not easy to dig through every comment thread and map each person’s replies to the claims they’re making in other threads. If you were simply disputing the number quoted in the meme, that wasn’t clear.
I’ve been conditioned by lots of other online interactions by insane right wing MAGA lunatics to read that as a whataboutism argument, a bias I’m realizing is creating a lot of confusion here.
If Iran killed 400 trillion protestors, bombing them still doesn’t appear to even follow the beginnings of a plan to help rescue that country from an oppressive regime. You’d want international relations and spycraft that develop confident dissent in their government, and show them a better way of life.
The american regime is a rogue theocracy that has convicted pedophiles in government, kills protesters, protects pedophiles, and puts children in concentration camps; lets missile strike their cities!
Honestly, what makes us the world police? I don’t want protestors killed, but dropping bombs on schools is not the help they need.
Jesus you people are really just living in your own heads huh? What are you even replying to? I pointed out that one of those facts is wrong, that’s it. Go complain to someone else who actually said something on the topic.
I mean, sorry if I misread your intentions, but your phrasing in such a thread in response to the OP appears to make a statement. You are also aware that the people cheerleading this war are echoing exactly what you said, in essentially the exact same words.
No need to be a dick.
And that justifies bombing civilians? And how about the disgusting shit the us gov is doing to people right here in our country?
Shut up
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lol what comment are you trying to reply to? I didn’t even say that… please learn reading comprehension
