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Me watching Lemmy posters mimic what’s popular on reddit.
I just made a joke stolen from reddit lol
I also made that particular joke
I also choose this guy’s wife
I laughed at said joke and then downvoted it.
I took the joke seriously, lectured you about it in the comments, and then downvoted.
This is going to be more and more common as the US elections near.
Bots and agents will be attempting to push their agendas, drowning out anything else and trying to make their point seem like the mainstream opinions.
Indeed, the Russian and Chinese mobile phones are going to give the MAGA fucks wet dreams.
the US is still having elections?
Karma doesn’t accumulate here, say what you have to say and if you get voted down, get on with your life. The opinion of random people on the internet should not keep you awake
Plus you never know how many votes are from real humans expressing their own opinions.
It do be like that sometimes
Everyone gets to express their opinion. As long as you are honest and polite it’s fine. If others choose to be impolite then fuck em.
What if someone is a nazi. Should we be polite ?
being a nazi is not being polite
Being a nazi is not an opinion.
For those who may be confused:
A nazi is an ideology that is used as an identity. The ideology is made up of a group of identical opinions. Some people may share an opinion with the nazi, but if they shade no others then we really should be polite to at least find out if they’re a closeted nazi.
Not saying you can’t strongly disagree. It is possible to tell someone to go to hell politely.
“I do desire that we may be better strangers.”
Sir, would you be so kind as to graciously go fuck thyself?
“Out of my sight! Thou dost infect mine eyes.”
Gentlemen, may I take a moment to remark on the excellent attire of our good sir. It is unfortunately his rehetoric that reveals his damnation.
People are called Nazis here espousing views that are mainstream in the US Democratic Party.
And that’s the problem of the US Democratic Party.
Which views would those be?
Maybe the genocide in Gaza?
I guess it depends on whether they’re referring to elected officials or the electorate, because support for the genocide is only mainstream among elected officials and not the electorate.
But they could also be referring to border policy, which is a little less straightforward, as a lot of the Democratic electorate still has some reactionary views on the border and immigration as a result of candidates and elected officials refusing to offer a counter-narrative to the “border crisis.”
The electorate supports genocide by electing these officials.
Views like “genocide is no biggie”
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Na, I go full in and make clear that this someone is not alone.
I mean, on a Karma-free platform I don’t have to do anything to conform to the mainstream.
Sometimes it even triggers an honest discussion.
Even on a karma platform, I didn’t care. I always used to make fun of people on reddit for deleting a post just because it was heavily downvoted. But then… eventually it wasn’t enough for people to dogpile downvotes, they had to start reporting posts they disagreed with. And the mod teams, who had eventually also gone to shit, didn’t delete the posts but instead would ban you from the sub. At that point, deleting your own post because of downvotes seemed entirely reasonable and I even started doing it myself.
It is weird how much importance people put on karma. Even I have to admit it felt good when I’d see my posts and comments upvoted but I never once cared for my aggregated karma.
We must maintain homogeneous social cohesion at any cost, I don’t care how many feelings I hurt along the way
So say we all.
I misread this as “Kamala-free platform”
I misread this as “Kamala-free platform”
Oh sorry, obviously a typo on my site.
Naturally I meant “Karamell-free platform”.Gotta take care of your dental health!
Mmmm karamells…
That’s every platform now lmao
If only!
There’s still a bunch of lemmings invoking her every time the fascist kakistocracy of the US does something awful, in order to dunk on anyone who’s ever criticized the DNC leadership from the left.
Plus she hasn’t ruled out running again in 2028, so if the fascists let that election happen, she and her abominable Khive will probably be depressingly relevant and maddeningly omnipresent again 😮💨
Kamela or Gavin would no doubt be better than the next republican candidate, but I’m not sure they would do many needed changes for the people and most likely use kid gloves on the current regime, not to rock the boat.
And then they will enable the next republican regime to finish the job trump stated.
What did I miss?
Sometimes it even triggers an honest discussion.
In my experience, that’s what tends to happen in more traditional forums.
Voting systems are great for threads where the discussions is about problem with an objective solution, but for more subjective topics it just kills discussions.
I recommend anyone that used to be a lot on Reddit, here on Lemmy and/or other forums with karma systems to try out forums without them. Trust me you’ll notice the difference.
Niche forums with small communities tend to be best, and a lot less toxic.
Niche forums with small communities tend to be best, and a lot less toxic.
This has a lot more to do with small self selecting groups to already be on the same page and know each other enough to give each other the benefit of the doubt that they are discussing in other good faith. Not always true, but far more likely simply by being a smaller group
Reddit and other threaded formats allow for easier replies in large groups, which does mean that is less likely and it is more likely to argue with as random user with a significant lack of trust. This lack of trust is also reflected in the voting and behavior related to voting.
Yup you’re right. That last part was more of an addendum for those that consider trying to find new forums.
Obviously, the voting system is only one part of the story. It by itself won’t dictate if a community will be healthy or toxic; other things like the community culture and mods will have a heavier impact. But in my experience, in all the places I’ve been in, the voting system is one of the ingredients that does have an effect on the cake overall.
The benefit I have seen in smaller communities is that it reduces dogpiling and ‘me too!’ redundant comments although at a trade for the negatives you mentioned.
I hope I never find a community that bans users simply because a post/comment they made had too low of a score.
You’ll be better off without them. We’ve seen where that practice leads.
Use block liberally. Your bubble will slowly improve, and so will everyone else’s.
I’m not a fan of shrinking my echo chamber
I’ll block people who are just plain choosing to be stupid or are annoying, but I don’t want to block people who just disagree with me
There’s not sufficient echo in my chamber!
Tja.
Machste nix.
Yeah, I understand that frequently arguing with people isn’t ideal, but if you’re not field testing your opinions against someone who’s actively trying to disprove them, then how can you really know they’re right?
There are plenty of things I was sure about until someone argued with me well enough to make me think harder about it and come to a different conclusion. Isolating yourself with only people who agree with you is convenient, but stifling; community is uncomfortable.
I know, but some people over here seem to be afraid of any dissent.
I like to jokingly refer to it as “improving the acoustics”
I’ll echo in your momma’s chambers
But that’s just because my momma so fat that… wait…
There are many more trolls on the Internet than people actually arguing in good faith. Lemmy is no exception, just hasn’t been around long enough to get all of the trolls like reddit has.
What a stupid argument. Some people are obviously trolls or commenting in bad faith. Blocking people like that does not build an echo chamber. If this person had said “block every person who disagrees with you” then yeah, you’re going to end up with an echo chamber.
Personally, I think it’s important to avoid blocking people so that I can see them spreading false information and that they get challenged on their BS. But plenty of people are coming to social media/ forums/ whatever you consider Lemmy to engage with other people who share a similar hobby. Not everyone needs to deal with assholes fighting over (usually American) politics.
I have been labeled a troll many a time, for:
- arguing against adblockers
- arguing for YouTube premium
- saying the USSR killed a bunch of people (and many other historical facts)
- saying not voting for Kamala carries responsibility for what trump does
- saying that the average voter prefers moderate democrats
- condemning treatment of Uygurs
Arguing against adblocker and for YouTube premium is the most center of the bell curve IQ meme take I’ve ever heard.
I use adblockers and pirate stuff, but I don’t try to fool myself into thinking that it’s an ethically sound thing to do.
That’s kind of half the picture though. Adblocking and piracy are not done in a vacuum. You typically block ads in response to the unethical practice of hostile design and the abuse of human psychology to be conditioned positively to something through exposure rather than just making a good product. Piracy is often in response to unethical business practices as well.
If none of those unethical forces existed, you can be sure there would be a lot less pirates and adblockers. But in our current world piracy and adblocking are often straight up ethical in relative terms.
Adblockers are a pain in the ass for many reasons. Small websites can’t realistically fund themselves with other sources, big players like newspapers end up putting paywalls limit access to quality journalism or selling themselves to billionaires who can run them at a loss in exchange of influence on the reporting. You end up with billionaires controlling all media and no way for small shops to compete with them.
YouTube premium: YouTube ads are fucking annoying, adblocking on TVs is unreliable at best, impossible at worst, I want to support the people who create the content I enjoy and the price for a whole family, for a whole month… is one third of the price of going to the movies once.
I always try to leave a comment in support when this happens.
It’s especially nice to see a comment go from -5 to +5 after you do so.
And then sometimes, just sometimes… It’s fuck it. I’m getting in the ring
Rafael?
You can’t get cooked unless you give in to the demented opinoin of those trying.
Lemmy is a tankie bar.
Opinions that are center left or center right will routinely get banned on major communities here.
A “tankie bar” is a place that runs off all the bigots, imperialists, zionists, etc until the only people who feel safe are a diverse community of marginalized people and their allies.
The modlog is public. Show us some examples?
Downvoted maybe, but not banned except for a few extremist instances (which I’ve blocked anyway) or if your expressing said opinions hostily maybe. Also, remember that the problem with Lemmy being so small is it’s often like one guy deciding on bans in a lot of channels.
Lemmy is a tankie bar
That’s true of three or four instances out of dozens if not hundreds.
Opinions that are center left or center right will routinely get banned on major communities here.
On those three or four instances, sure.
On the biggest instance, though, it’s the other way around: if a statement doesn’t align with the nominally center left to centrist (but actually right to far right) norms and positions of the DNC leadership, it’s derided as “purity testing” or “a Republican op” and downvoted to hell if not removed.
This person catches bans from feddit.org for posting anti-immigrant shit, if you’re far enough right, every instance is a “tankie” instance.
