Firefox’s free VPN will offer 50 gigabytes of monthly data, which is pretty generous for a browser-based VPN. A Mozilla account is required to make use of it, which isn’t a hardship (they’re free), but is a point of friction some may wish to know upfront.

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    Please stop adding bloat to my browser. I have nothing against VPN, but it’s not a fucking core feature of a web browser. Put that stuff in an extension that I can install if I want.

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    Firefox’s free VPN won’t be using Mullvad’s infra though; it’s hosted on Mozilla servers around the world (if beta testing of the feature done in late 2025 tracks).

    …oh.

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          The data is indeed encrypted, but both you and the VPN provider have the keys - that’s why they advertise no-logs policies, because they have access to the data you send, such as which website you’re attempting to visit.

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            Can a VPN provider do man in the middle attacks if they wanted to? Like sniff my /api/login calls and get my password? My gut tells me yes but I don’t know enough to be sure, I feel.

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    This announcement comes suspiciously close to the announcement of them including a lot more AI bullshit.

    How far Firefox has fallen. This is really sad to see.

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    Yeah, but they also added an AI feature that’s enabled by default that I never asked for.

    And I normally advocate for Firefox. It’s been a good solid privacy focused browser for a while but now I’m starting to think maybe not as much.

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      It doesn’t seem like it, or at least there’s zero evidence I’ve seen that this is the case. As the linked OMG Ubuntu article speculates, probably the main benefit financially is making users more likely to sign up to their paid VPN.

      Aside: Based on their blog post, the service seems like a proxy rather than a VPN.

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      with a 50GB quota, I actually believe it’s free. I use 15-20x that much on an average month.

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      I’m sure that’s the condition, to use your data (that they protect of course) to better improve the browser. And I’m sure they are in a country where they don’t have to show logs (that I’m sure they don’t keep, yet somehow use your data).

      They need to stick with just the browser, period. Stop trying to drift into other areas. Firefox has unfortunately gotten too heavy for what it should be, and adding even more features (good or bad) doesn’t help the core performance.

      The other options out there have their pluses and minuses, but if Firefox keeps pushing people will live with the negatives of the browsers that seem to care about the browsing experience of their users.

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    For everyone who thinks this is just gonna be a way for them to somehow sell your data, I don’t think so.

    Think about it like this. You can buy a VPN plan for as little as $2 a month or less depending on the provider if you have a long-term commitment (e.g. 1-2 years). That pricing includes margin.

    Firefox can essentially operate at lower prices than that, because they:

    • Don’t have to charge themselves an extra margin
    • Have an economy of scale since they’re not just one user paying for themselves, they’re a company paying for thousands at a time
    • Cap their per-user cost well below what most users actually use. (I used over 300 GB of data in the last 30 days just on my PC, almost all through Firefox, with even more on Firefox on my phone.)

    I would bet this would probably cost Mozilla less than a dollar per user per month, and that’s also assuming all those users are continuing to use the VPN service over time, maxing out their data limit, but refusing to pay for anything else after.

    Meanwhile, Mozilla conveniently sells their own VPN service provided through Mullvad, which they make a profit on.

    If a user cares enough to continue using the VPN because they want a VPN, they’ll blow through the data limit and be more inclined than the average user to pay for Mozilla’s option. (rather than going “I guess I’ll only care about my privacy for 5 days out of the month”)

    If a user doesn’t care enough to continue using the VPN because they were just trying it out, but they chose to use Firefox because it had a free VPN bundled in, which sold them on it over another browser, Mozilla just paid less than an ad would cost for a conversion.

    And at the end of the day, it also just helps keep up their reputation as a browser that respects your privacy, which makes it easier to promote the browser elsewhere, in ads or otherwise.

    This feels more like a marketing ploy that’s likely to just save money on ad conversions for new Firefox users, and increase Mozilla VPN conversions, rather than something they’re gonna use to super secretly siphon off your data and sell it to advertisers.

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      I think it would be better to compare this offer to well-known VPN providers instead of all VPN providers, since the sketchiest ones tend to have the lowest prices. The two reputable ones I can think of, Proton and Mullvad, both cost over $5/month. But cost is only half of the picture: They’ve also earned their reputation through a lot of time, effort, audits, even government raids.

      Regardless, you have some good points. Let’s take for granted that Mozilla will not attempt to share or sell user data with this free service, that it’s all above-board (a fair assumption): They still have to build their reputation from zero.

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      Get out of here with your level headed take. The pitchforks already have been distributed and it has been decided Mozilla will sell the data asap! /s

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        “Just use Mullvad instead” is good advice compared to almost any other option.

        Unfortunate that to get this experience in Firefox, we will have to disable a built-in feature and download some extension.

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          idk about you, but when I use a VPN I want all the device’s traffic to go through it, not just the browser. So I’d always disable the built-in feature in that case.

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    Great… so now workplaces will have to default-block Firefox to lock down their networks.