Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’ but it doesn’t look like that will change Microsoft’s plans. In a post on X and other places, Microsoft reaffirmed its commitment to AI in Windows 11 and encouraged Electron developers to consider using AI in their apps.
Javascript creator thinks they are rushing things.
Javascript creator thinks they are rushing things.One can learn from their mistakes
Not that I’m interested in any of those apps, but wouldn’t that mean that it makes it way easier to port them to other OSs (except maybe of the AI part)?
It should.
Microsoft also make the one app that actually shines in electron: vs code. It’s really quite optimised. But somehow they didn’t bother learning lessons from that and keep rolling out terrible slop like teams and new outlook.
It’s weird how one company can do things right and also be do incompetent at the same time.
Isn’t VS Code open-sourced? Can those optimizations be contributed to the wider community of electron experts?
I guess my point is VS Code works well because the users can fix it and they have the ability to do so. The same cant be said for Teams & Outlook. No one can fix that PoS.
Tbf vscode has opensource contributors and they had the code for atom text editor (by developers of electron and github) to look as reference code.
Rip Atom, it’s a shame microsoft bought github and ended your development to promote their IDE. Who could have known they have no morals.
The next step in app delivery is shipping a full VM with the operating system and the app.
Docker?
Minesweeper as a Docker container.
Once again, Microslop is a strong contender for Linux Marketer Of The Year award
Yeah sounds like an AI agent decided that.
This sentence reads like Microsoft is the inventor of Javascript:
Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’
So there’s 3 things, either they meant Typescript, they are very wrong or they’re quoting Brendan Eich and not attributing it to him.
Yes.
Today it took almost 30 seconds for the context menu to appear when I right clicked on a file in windows explorer. I mean ffs, if I wanted everything to be a browser, I’d use a chromebook.
(Inb4 “install linux”, it’s a work computer and I don’t get a say in OS)
work computer, Win 11, here. I need to lock my PC when I leave my desk. Over the last month or 2 (maybe more?) when I 3 finger salute to lock, it used to open in a moment, now I can count to at least 4 before the screen comes up
Windows+L locks it directly, fyi
Find a new job
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Install linux
Even in Edge, Outlook (a Microslop web app running on a Microslop browser) sometimes takes up to a minute to load on refresh. HOW!? God I hate that company.
I’ve never had outlook take long, always done in about 5 seconds. Firefox too, which would be the last to optimise for.
Just like the good old days of running Windows 3.1 on an Intel 386sx. We’ve come full circle.
Dude. Same. Windows 11 at work is fucking awful.
My laptop idles at 12 out of 16 gigs of RAM free.
Right clicking takes dozens of seconds, especially on a network share.
Did IT remove a letter mapped network drive? Haha! Fuck you! Windows hangs indefinitely if you open Windows explorer. You gotta fuck around in the registry to remove that shit.
The only good thing about windows 11 is tabs in Windows explorer. Which MacOS and Linux have had for a gazillion years.
Microsoft don’t care about file shares anymore anyway, they want you to sign up for OneDrive :(
If you don’t want to write native code, then make a PWA. At least those don’t run a separate copy of chrome for each program.
PWAs do have severe limitations though… i wish it wasn’t; i love PWAs but they’ve been massively hamstrung by the big players. sadly, they’re not really comparable other than for basic apps IMO
And or tauri
Microslop Winslop 11 with Electroslop
I’m pretty anti webtech but even I’ve written GUIs in wails. I hate electron so much, but what makes it worse is that there are so many better options. The people that keep pushing it are stupid*
Not stupid. Lazy. Too lazy to learn something new. “I want to use the same tooling for everything “. Ok champ.
The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.
They’ve fucked it up recently, but basically, 90% of the time you’d get the same consistent interface design across all apps, with common design language and iconography and accessibility features. They aggressively deprecate so you have to keep that $100 dev fee rolling, but the experience has been good for the the better part of 20 years (post carbon & X11, pre-liquid ass, the cocoa years).
If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.
If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.
I am happy to report: Windows apps that look different, feel shit to use and perform like shit are already available!
E.g. Teams, the CPU warmer from hell, was rolled out to Windows long ago. It was coded for Electron and couldn’t even integrate with Microsoft Windows’ taskbar popups. They had to fake one by creating a window that moved itself up from below the screen. Did this break when you changed resolution? Yes it did. Did it break when you moved the taskbar? Yes it did. Did it break when- YES IT DID
The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.
iOS doesn’t even have a universal back button, every app has their own way of implementing it.
If your app uses NavigationView, like 80% of apps, you get a back button and swipe gesture for free.
It has swipe to the right from the side of the screen. That works in very application I’ve tried.
It’s not universal. It has become more common, but there is no OS-level enforcement
What is it with Android users’ obsession with the back button? Who actually cares? Why would I want some button that goes back to the wrong app for some reason?
Who actually cares?
Every people that complains, for one. And the “back” feature, with apps that follows the guidelines, is quite useful and consistent.
Apple has a universal app switcher gesture that is harder to accidentally invoke. It used to use the home button before for that when it was on the front of the device.
The back button on Android just feels like Chromebook bullshit to me.
Tell me you haven’t used a back button without telling me.
To TLDR you pretend the back button on android is the back button on your mouse, because it is. Does it seem useful yet?
Back button on a mouse? I use a Trackpad. If I wanted to spend all day slowly navigating the UI click by click I might go back to a mouse.
And by the way, the reason I know it takes you back to an entirely different app than the one you’re using is because I’ve used it before. 😒
How has Apple fucked up recently?
As an avid Apple user the most recent ui changes are unfathomably bad. The os has become notably less useful to me in som frustrating ways. I can solve some but not all of it through settings.
You mean since 26? I agree. I dunno who they have at the wheel, but they need to step down lol.
It was this guy. And he left for Facebook. Where he belongs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-iphone-alan-dye-design-move-b2878226.html
IIRC the person most responsible for Liquid Glass now works at Meta.
That’s the AI, which is only a small fraction of the problem with 26.
Spontaneously I had the idea of entering this forbidden word into a browser, just to see what would happen:
The result was truth, and nothing but the truth, I can assure you :-)
Oh yeah, it’s good. The link to microslop: https://microslop.com/
Idk why but this is sort of funny to me.
Lack of constraints has killed everything. I hope all the RAM and storage becomes unusable people are forced to work with 3mb again.
Nah, they’ll just push for streaming compute power and charge you once more!
I’m just waiting for their reaction when everyone is supposed to use cloud desktops and the average application assumes the user has 128 GB of RAM.
You mean when care was taken while coding and an OS could "run on 1GB but suffice with 2GB? I know everyone hated Win 8 but it was a welcomed change plus no bullshit on it at the time.
Since the mid 2000s desktop OSs haven‘t done anything fundamentally new until AI integration. Hardware accelerated compositing was the last big step. That was done with a couple of MBs on the graphics chip and less than 1 GB of RAM.
Yeah, 8.1 took like 800 megs ootb, while 10 wanted about 3 gigs to itself (not sure about earlier versions, tho; mb enshitification happened gradually)
Real men remember when windows vista launched like shit because it assumed there were way more brand new high memory machines out there than there actually was
It was also a mess as there was a lot of confusion around “64-bit” and “32-bit” systems that even most retailers weren’t sure how to describe. Dude it was entertaining talking to best buy his who weren’t even sure how to explain it all and the compatibility issues.
I didn’t like Vista myself, but 8 seemed to be modernized enough and get away from Aero icons and glassy things.
Can thank Intel for that, they pressured MS to lower the documented requirements so they could sell more low-end hardware.
Of course, MS executives also gladly went along with it, not like they’re innocent in any way.
Also Nvidia and their drivers caused issues, as usual.
Vista is the reason I started using Linux.
Unix was the reason I started using Linux.
