I’m willing to bet they don’t know what datacenters are, they just hate that their homes are building bulldozed and their communities are being destroyed. Yet, they don’t know what a datacenter is, or why they exist, or why they are being rolled out so aggressively, just that they hate datacenters.
Right, they hate data centers. And at the same time they use their beloved SlopGPT for every simple question they could basically answer with five minutes of research.
Social pressure demonstrably doesn’t work for negative externalities of this scale. We need a systemic solution.
Aren’t people commenting on tgese things when they’re really against or for? How is that indicative of the general population?
I’d say the balance is more to the negative - I think people are more likely to comment on things they feel badly about than those they like or feel neutral.
Ironically, one wouldn’t exist without the other. Our local anti-data-center group’s website is hosted on a cloud server (namecheap). Maybe it’s NIMBY—or maybe they just don’t realize they are supporting the very infrastructure they oppose.
A web hosting data center and a Slopware data center are 2 completely different animals.
And where are they going to host a site? On a napkin? Fewer people have access to the hardware needed to self host today due to the ridiculous prices of hardware.
Its not the same kind of infrastructure. We have had hosted cloud servers for decades now, but these datacenters are purpose-built to run AI, with millions of graphics cards.
They can use more power than a city, and they use enormous amounts of water. And they seem to be loud. There has been news about people in their houses getting noise pullution around the clock, sometimes a low vibration humming noise which goes through the walls and prevents them from sleeping properly.
I dont think there is a single advantage for people living near a datacenter. Noise and increased power bills.
I think the sentiment is centered around the new resource hog behemoths popping up to run LLMs and not the servers for emails, storage, e-commerce, social media, etc.
That’s why they want to change the name to data campuses.
Even with all their ai slop machines, Israeli back ai search optimization websites they can’t wrote enough fake news and AstroTurf on reddit enough to beat out the natural flow of information.
So they are going to try to switch to “super intelligence” or “data campus” so that their fake news outlets/web outlets they own can directly profit off the new wave of slopaganda.
This is oversimplified but ai is essentially just a predictive text model. If the 90% of the internet says ai data centers are bad, statistically the ai is heavily going to repeat those sentences it was trained on. This doesn’t make it right or wrong, we only like halicunations when they say something we agree with. Never can an ai present something as a fact, just by the nature of ai its always a hallucination.
So if we suddenly start telling everyone to call it super intillegence, and data campus and only all the major news outlets and Israeli ai astro turfing bots, and web articles go along with it then then only news about it will be positive. They suddenly own the narrative, and when dumb dumb investors go to google “super intelligence” they can no longer see the obvious public outrage that is actually hurting them.
They are resorting to bribing individuals to get data centers installed. We are applying pressure we just can never give up the fight, never stop calling it slop. Because your words to hit the bottom line.
You matter, you voice your vote your opinions matter and it hurts them now that more of the world is starting to collectively revolt around the epstine class.
If the 90% of the internet says ai data centers are bad, statistically the ai is heavily going to repeat those sentences it was trained on.
Don’t assume the billionaires who are in charge of training their AI won’t use a first iteration of an LLM to curate/filter the training dataset of the next iteration of an LLM.
The problem is that an LLM is not an inherently fair or impartial tech. It will mimic whatever it was fed during the training phase. So whoever controls the training phase, controls the LLM’s disposition.
In have a feeling much of reddits recent changes are to try to appeal to other ais as a cleaner source of data now that its “properly” being auto modded. Iirc reddit lost the Google contract it has for ai training data so they probably want to clean it up now. I also want to remind everyone that was the reason you couldn’t use third party reddit apps after that point.
Like a year ago now almost facebook was going through a similar issue with mass bannings and I remembered there was talk about a lawsuit. A lot of boomers got offended the ai banned their facebook account when the ai flagged family photos as csam and thought it was a legal threat. It was a really large number of people and their subreddit was normally dead was constantly active with non stop complaints.
I don’t known much about other social medias but I know once tiktok got bought out by Israeli interest it also got the same treatment and you can’t meantion Gaza or Israel at all. The whole issue with tiktok was Republicans accuse them of brainwashing kids with trends like tide pod challenge to make them stupid, while their native version in China only promoted education and self improvement for their children. It was also some how a security risk because facebook could not just buy them out like they did with Instagram I guess. Basicially palantir wasn’t getting its fair share of data, and too much info that’s bad for business can exist on it.
That along with the required photo IDs getting forced globally, socialist revolutions happening every where I feel as if its pretty clear that we are not going to be allowed free speech or freedom of information. Its not even that far fetched anymore private equity owns hundreds of top YouTube networks/channels now, and if they’re not owned by old media all the other podcasts and whatever are literally limited hangouts, or the host just brings on CIA assets and grifters and let’s them brainwash people into scams.
Billionaires are gonna billionaire.
The non-negative commenters forgot to /s.
Good thing the wealthy elite ignores what 99% of people say.
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There is a sampling bias in that.
Ngl, this means nothing. People that hate data centers talk more about it online than people that don’t hate them.
If you were to ask people in a proportionally chosen group whether they are against data centers, the result would be pretty different I presume.
If only those dirty peasants didn’t buy up so much RAM for their personal computers. These poor, struggling data centers need more tax breaks so they can compete.
greedy psychos have really turned AI data centers into the dark satanic mills
Watch how this makes no difference in how many get built in the next fiscal year.
I really don’t think so at this point. Banks don’t want to invest. Hardware is being gate kept or simply isn’t available. It’s like going to track day and burning up your tires. You then have spam altman crying about ram because he’s been told about the logistics. Then don’t be surprised when microslop will use your computer passively–it will likely happen. Then the funniest part is there’s not enough c-sec people. I don’t even want to pursue a career in it and the line has shrunk.
Then don’t be surprised when microslop will use your computer passively–it will likely happen.
We need a Free Software cooperative peer-to-peer thing to do that first.
I have a feeling it’s already being done.
Agree with all your points but none of those reasons are we supposedly live in a democracy and the vast majority of us don’t want these data centres.
Solid response. Most people know what they’re really being used for now. Like I don’t think I want drones flying around scanning plates or otherwise. I don’t want to share the water or power bills with this crap.
One would hope that local politicians realize that approving an AI DC is a political death sentence. The hate is bipartisan.
Unfortunately it’s slightly less negative about the AI ponzi scheme in general.
They got greedy - bought everything, from memory, electrical equipment, to whole governments, in search of money, forever soiling an emerging new tech with the need for greed
Honestly LLMs never provided any value in the first place, it degrades everything it touches. Even if it costed $0 it’s still a misinformation machine trying and failing to replace laborers.
That’s a greed problem, primarily. Misinformation,platform engagement metrics, job degredation, all part of greed.
No, I think this is just a completely useless technology. Using humans will always be better than this and we have an overwhelming abundance of humans.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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