Ws of Communism
Sure, the USSR did kill a lot of Nazis. But to claim all of the victims of communism were Nazis is bullshit
Victims of Communism is a specific propaganda campaign from various right wing orgs. Hence the capitalization. It attempts to draw an equivalence to mass murder performed by right wing regimes in order to delegitimize left alternative. All the while pushing right wing agendas. It’s also why such memorials often feature nazis as victims. A recent example.
Yes, there was a famine in the 1930s. It was largely due to adverse weather conditions, coupled with the bourgeois farmers called “kulaks” killing their livestock and burning their crops to resist the Red Army collectivizing agriculture. However, to paint those who died as “victims of communism” when the communists were the ones that finally ended famine in a region where famine was historically common and regular is hardly genuine.
The term “Holodomor,” the right-wing theory describing a man-made and intentional famine, was created by Ukrainian nationalists in the 80s. It was named as such to draw direct connection to the Holocaust, and as such is a form of Holocaust trivialization. Archival evidence proves that there was no such intentional famine, but it is used politically to demonize socialism in the real world, wielded like a club.
To be fair the Red Army was forcing the Kulaks to march across the USSR to resettle the land and kill their culture. The famine was also entirely preventable by the Soviets but they chose to starve out Ukranians and other ethnic minorities to replace them.
Kulaks were not an ethnic group, but a class of bourgeois farmers. That’s like saying the US outlawing slavery “killed Confederate culture.” The famine was not preventable, and there’s absolutely no evidence that the soviets wanted to replace ethnic minorities, the opposite is true. The soviets tried to preserve Ukrainian culture while establishing a common “soviet identity,” in line with being a multinational federation.
The Politburo was also kept in the dark about how bad the famine was getting:
From: Archive of the President of the Russian Federation. Fond 3, Record Series 40, File 80, Page 58.
Excerpt from the protocol number of the meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist party (Bolsheviks) “Regarding Measures to Prevent Failure to Sow in Ukraine, March 16th, 1932.
The Political Bureau believes that shortage of seed grain in Ukraine is many times worse than what was described in comrade Kosior’s telegram; therefore, the Political Bureau recommends the Central Committee of the Communist party of Ukraine to take all measures within its reach to prevent the threat of failing to sow [field crops] in Ukraine.
Signed: Secretary of the Central Committee – J. STALIN
Letter to Joseph Stalin from Stanislaw Kosior, 1st secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine regarding the course and the perspectives of the sowing campaign in Ukraine, April 26th, 1932.
There are also isolated cases of starvation, and even whole villages [starving]; however, this is only the result of bungling on the local level, deviations [from the party line], especially in regard of kolkhozes. All rumours about “famine” in Ukraine must be unconditionally rejected. The crucial help that was provided for Ukraine will give us the opportunity to eradicate all such outbreaks [of starvation].
Letter from Joseph Stalin to Stanislaw Kosior, 1st secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, April 26th, 1932.
Comrade Kosior!
You must read attached summaries. Judging by this information, it looks like the Soviet authority has ceased to exist in some areas of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Can this be true? Is the situation invillages in Ukraine this bad? Where are the operatives of the OGPU [Joint Main Political Directorate], what are they doing?
Could you verify this information and inform the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist party about taken measures.
Sincerely, J. Stalin
The origins of such a story of forced starvation came from the Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter in 1933. Völkischer Beobachter reported on it as intentional, and then spread the story around further. We are not qustioning the legitimacy of the famine, but whether or not it was intentional, which all evidence post-opening of the soviet archives points to it not being intentional.
Learn today when listening to MapleTakes on Twitch (Canada Comrade). Canada has a “Victims of Communism” monument that they put up. Here is a picture of it blacked out like it’s the Epstein files.
They had to black it out because people kept realizing they were all fucking Nazis.
> victims of communism monument
> emptygod tier bit
Should have left those names, but etch a little swastika next to every Nazi.
I wonder if anyone has a number on how many people capitalism has killed.
At least 10 million every year from starvation and preventable diseases.
Most of the people not alive today… sometimes the torture is spread out over 80 years or more. It’s a horrible tragedy of needless human suffering.
wasn’t there an org that counted nazi soldiers killed by the red army, as well as aborted babies in socialist countries, as “victims of communism”?
It gets dumber: they also counted soviets killed by nazis in ww2 and the hypothetical children that dead eastern front nazis never had as victims of communism
That would be the Black Book of Communism.
It’s not exclusively Nazis. There was a big communist wave in Sweden during the 20s and 30s where some people chose to move to the Soviet Union with the promise of a better life and they paid a high price for it.
https://sverigesradio.se/play/avsnitt/2595324
The common people is often overlooked or forgotten and their voices gets silenced.
Can we get a victims of capitalism memorial foundation?
The names wouldn’t fit
Also many victims just permanently disappeared from history
yes, but not until after the revolution.
Just the other day.
- Reads The Gulag Archipelago
- Look inside
- The victims of Communism are it’s is own people
Rather than reading fiction, you could read something like Russian Justice if you wanted to learn how the soviet legal system worked.
5·2 hours agoSee also Carl Madsens visit to a Soviet Prison in 1965 (Excerpts from The Good Doctor, also in there a look at the GDR legal system, which for those that have read Russian Justice will see some similarities.) Potentially Justice in Moscow George Fifer, and for the nerds Soviet Administration of Criminal Law Judah Zelitch.
Great recs, comrade! 🫡
Oh right, also this article Soffiyah Elijah: Lessons from Cuba’s Incarceration Model in which I see similarities to the books/excerpts I recommended.
Oh awesome! Cuba’s an area I need more development on, thanks for the rec!
Even the author’s wife described the book as “folklore” lmao
‘Ex-wife’
- Reads a book of fiction by a treasonous Nazi sympathizer
Try non-fiction
The Gulag Archipelago: An Experiment in Literary Investigation (Russian: Архипелаг ГУЛАГ, romanized: Arkhipelag GULAG) is a three-volume nonfiction series
Nice try
Try harder
Calling it nonfiction don’t make it so. https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/06/archives/solzhenitsyns-exwife-says-gulag-is-folklore.html
dude this is a tankie instance….
no government that has ever called itself communist has ever done anything wrongSocialist states do make mistakes, but linking a work of fiction and pretending the “victims of communism were its own people” is just wrong.
The funny part is, I was born and raised in a socialist country and it was shit.
my parents tell me all the time about the slaves we used to have before the reds forced us to leave or be killed
Which one
The other Germany.
Some of us are as well and there are differences of opinion on that matter. 😄
We’re leftists, that’s exactly our thing.
We’re leftists
Somehow I doubt that one.
I don’t normally consider people that use anti-communist pejoratives like “tankie” to be genuine in their leftism. Especially those that try to pretend works of fiction are genuine evidence against socialism.
