This is going to be a bigger deal than I thought. Can’t cross 91% lib scan even if I delete the music lib and then upgrade. Even turning on debug logging doesn’t reveal anything helpful. Rolling back to 10.10 for now. Will attempt again when they force me to upgrade.

How do you know it’s a good answer? That requires prior knowledge that you might have. My juniors repeatedly demonstrate they’ve no ability to tell whether an LLM solution is a good one or not. It’s like copying from SO without reading the comments, which they quickly learn not to do because it doesn’t pass code review.

Good note.

I seem to be suffering from this issue. Lotsa spam in the logs and the scan job doesn’t seem to be moving. The next attempt would be, revert, disable music lib and upgrade. Then deal with the music lib separately. But I’ll let it run another 12-24 hours.

My god what a shit show.

It’s all normal though. Software development is hard and big changes mean more regressions. You do the changes when needed, then you work on squashing the bugs.

Library scan still going here. At least something is spinning because one CPU thread is pegged to 100%.

I do. It could be this:

After the migration it is recommended that you perform a full scan through the admin dashboard. We have observed that for some users, some elements might not work properly otherwise (e.g parental ratings). As of RC8 a scan for missing metadata may be required for music libraries to function properly. The first scan after the migration might also take quite a bit longer than usual, though subsequent scans should be as quick as before.

From the release notes.

The last messages in the log are from music lib scanning. I’m leaving it be for now.

Fucking hell. OK, I’ll upgrade again and wait longer. Mine’s ~15TB.

I do have a large collection and I haven’t checked the music lib state yet. I have a zfs snapshot from before the upgrade so I could restore if shit hits the fan.

Just upgraded from 10.10. Seems to have gone well. Library scan still going.

E: Couldn’t finish lib scan. Reverted to 10.10.

Now that’s a very good question I hadn’t considered.

Cuba is fucked.

For me it wasn’t so much the universal part than the reduced maintenance work that comes with bundled depdnencies which makes a package work over more OS releases without breaking, as well as the higher upgrade success rate.

But yeah I like the trusted repo model that Debian uses. It’s a lot of work by many volunteers and the result is great, so long as people keep doing it.

You don’t need Ubuntu Pro to get updates on 22.04 LTS. Without it you’re getting the same type of updates 12.04 was getting, for the same period of 5 years. The main repo gets security patches from Cnonical, the community repos get patches from the community. Same as it’s always been. With Ubuntu Pro, you get additional security updates for the community repos done by Canonical, like they do it for main. In addition you get additional 5 years of support for 10 years total. And apparently there’s now yet additional 5 that extends it to 15 but I haven’t read what that’s about. So for a user that doesn’t care about Ubuntu Pro, nothing has changed. For the user that wants to stay on 22.04 till 2032, Ubuntu Pro is an incredible deal. This kind of support does not exist in Debian. It can be provided by a commercial third party for a price.

I’ve been following Snap since it was called Click back in 2011-13 because it was solving a lot of problems that the classic, trusted package management had and still has. Problems that were elegantly solved on Android with the APK package and sandboxing system. That was pretty exciting so I might have a somewhat different perspective. :D

In 2012 when Ubuntu was the default choice, new users were instantly told what flavours are and what the three options were and why they should choose one over another. The info was also straight on Ubuntu.com where you downloaded the install media from. The problem you’re imagining did not exist.

E: Also I’m not trying to recruit new users therefore I’m not demonstrating my recruitment prowess. I’m having a discussion about the historical context of Ubuntu and Kubuntu/KDE. I’ve successfully converted many laymen users to Ubuntu who still use it to this day. I’ve converted whole teams to Ubuntu professionally over the years too. I know what it takes to do either.

Respectfully disagree. Have been following many Ubuntu releases over the years, Ubuntu blogs and news sites, and the official flavours have always been showcased, talked about, major features discussed and so on.

Also switching between flavours has always been trivial even post-installation. I used to test-drive KDE on Ubuntu installs and GNOME on Kubuntu installs in the 2000s and early 2010s.

Kububtu (Ubuntu with KDE) has been an official Ubuntu flavour almost aince the beginning. During the Ubuntu consensus years, it was being promoted along with Ubuntu for every release.

It’s totally cool you learned about it from Valve but that doesn’t mean people were oblivious about KDE in the 2000s and 2010s.

In my opinion Snaps are superior in terms of design and functionality than Flatpak. In practice, there are many poorly implemented snap packages. There were annoying bugs with the snap system for a long time like the update/close app notification. There’s not enough features for holding snap updates. And there isn’t built-in support for multiple repos. I like Snap but there have been legitimate problems with it (along with a lot of illegitimate ones) and the mindshare has shifted to Flatpak, which albeit inferior, fulfils most of the Snap use cases. In the end the social infrastructure is more important than the exact technology and that’s much stronger around Flatpak. I use both on Ubuntu and only Flatpak on Debian.

If it matters, I’m a senior software guy who’s used Linux professionally for many use cases for 10-15 years. Been personally using Ubuntu since 2005. Am switching new machines to Debian because Canonical is planning to do IPO and enshittifaction would inevitably follow. Not because of Snap. 😅

Ah yes, the 10-year corporate-grade security support for communiry packages provided for free to small users. I use it on the machines I haven’t converted to Debian yet. It’s great.

We had that consensus with Ubuntu for 15 years but haters had to hate so now we’re here. 😁

I’ve been stuck in this exact situation at a local pub. It’s even worse when you’ve downed 3 pints so you’re simultaneously drunk and been holding it for way too long cause you had to finish explaining a friend why Marx was right.