It’s wild just how much they’re trying to shove AI down our throats.
Irony is LG has their own open weights AI: Exaone 32B.
https://huggingface.co/LGAI-EXAONE
It’s… not terrible. Especially for a multilingual, locally runnable one. But they gave it a license from the depths of hell, that even forbids reverse engineering and basically claims all its outputs, so no one uses it.
https://huggingface.co/LGAI-EXAONE/EXAONE-4.0.1-32B/blob/main/LICENSE
Anyway, I find it darkly hilarious that they choose to snub their own research, and their Tenstorrent partnership, and shove copilot in instead. How much you wanna bet they namedrop OpenAI in their earnings report?
This is corporate enshittification at its purest.
What does LG even get out of this?
M$ is probably paying them handsomely for it.
Don’t buy LG, noted. Also, maybe buying a dumb TV with great panel and then adding android fire stick that you can manage the way you want is the way all along?
Or just buy whatever smart panel and do the same. Might as well take the subsidy from the smart panel and just leave it off your network
Seems hard to find those types of displays. Some people bring up commercial displays but they are expensive and it seems like a lot of then do have smart features.
Then follows a class action lawsuit because the AI exposed children to unsuitable materials and the thing is gone the next update.
“”“gone”“”
How the fuck would you even use it on your TV?
You must understand: It’s not your TV, it’s LG’s, and they will do with it what ever they want, and not to your benefit. This is the future we chose.
This is the future we chose.
I don’t recall be given options.
We do have the option of not buying their crap. We have the option of never connecting them to the internet if we ended up buying it. We have the option of blocking all their services and domains in our networks. We have options. Granted we have a limited range of options, but we do have options.
Stallman outlined our choices and told us this is where we were headed back in the 1980’s. Since then, we have consistently made the wrong decisions. All is not lost, but the situation is dire.
The choices are there, you just have to be willing to inconvenience yourself.
The newer models already have the option to enable Google assistant and interface with it via a microphone in the remote control. Sounds like it’s no longer an optional feature and is being AI enshittified.
My guess is voice control
This, this finally made me reach back my LG TV and disconnected the Ethernet cable.
It seems TV aren’t even owner by the owners anymore. I don’t watch TV nor game anymore but seeing the amount of ads when just turning on tvs at friends houses is wild and now with this it’s doing way too much to just be a display. Whoever decides to start making dumb tvs again at mass with all the newer tech like hdr and dolby atmos in it will have a booming business but I guess no residuals after the sale no unlimited growth for investors.
For now, at least in Europe, I have removed every single ad on TV just buy going to the terms and conditions and not giving them consent. But I am using Samsung smart TV and I’m in Europe.
If you root your lg oled you can truly block automatic updates. You can also install ad free youtube with sponsorblock integrated plus a bunch of other stuff that is of varying utility depending on your use case.
In general though just don’t connect it to the internet and get a $100 box for jellyfin from china (ugoos am6b+ works great and can playback basically anything but av1 natively if you flash Coreelec, the android side can still run streaming apps if you insist or iptv apps like tv mate since iptv support in kodi/jellyfin suuuucks).
Lg has proven they don’t respect consent by silently opting you in to data collection with updates. The updates never add features or bug fixes, just ugly UI changes and shit like this. It’s almost never worth updating unless someone is specifically saying “you should update, it fixes/adds ____
In the future don’t support them but at the same time it’s the “who the fuck can you support/oh you use an iphone under capitalism” problem. Yeah you don’t need a big tv, you don’t need an oled, you can buy a far more expensive commercial display, etc. I dunno
If you root your tv…
My brother in christ.
Exactly. This is already so many levels 9f wrong up to this point.
You buy a $400-$3000 tv and eliminate big parts of the feature set (dlna, phone/laptop as remote, airplay/casting, etc) because you let their nonsense prevent you from connecting something you purchased to the internet so the vendor won’t ruin it.
Or you buy any other brand where rooting isn’t even an option and the ad penetration is often worse because they’re almost all based around amazon, androidtv, or Roku, all of which are much more developed and mature. With tricks like not allowing you to set a custom dns for Adblocking (Roku does this) or hard defining a cloudflare DNS to circumvent ad blocking dns if you set it at the router level (android does this).
If all the options are shit, make one that works
Not connecting it isn’t going to necessarily matter in the future if TVs start using meshnets to spy and install adware/bloatware/etc. regardless of if you’re connected or not like has been looked into for a while.
Raising the importance of both having a rooted tv and independent analysis of network traffic related to these devices
ugoos am6b+ works great and can playback basically anything but av1 natively if you flash Coreelec, the android side can still run streaming apps if you insist or iptv apps like tv mate since iptv support in kodi/jellyfin suuuucks
Not Netflix though, right?
We cancelled our Netflix subscription earlier this year, but I am just curious. To my understanding to install Netflix you have to use trash tier HTPC devices.
The android side should be able to run Netflix with Dolby vision/hdr/atmos though I have not tested this because I don’t have an account.
The reason it works for Dolby vision playback in kodi/core elec is because it’s licensed. That’s why you end up having to dual boot, you need to retain the blobs on the android side to make the DV profiles work. It’s fucking dumb and Dolby vision is dumb and proprietary but technically superior but hdr10+ is open but lg doesn’t support it, it’s all fucking dumb. HTPCs dont work great with DV, at least for pirated content (not sure about streaming). They’ll play some profiles with specific software configurations but not all. Generally you end up tonemapping
Anyway it’s licensed for Dolby vision because it’s primarily meant as a box for streaming apps, so I assume Netflix/hbo max/etc would work. I don’t have accounts so I don’t know. I only use the android side for iptv
For DV it’s understandable. IMO Dolby and DTS are kinda of a scam (e.g. their lossless codecs). They are welcome to make authoring tools, but the standards should always be open and not subject to unaccountable entities that operate in a unreliable jurisdiction.
The reason I am asking about Netflix is because we got a relatively powerful Chinese Android set-top box (that is supported by a local distributor) and it couldn’t play videos in the Netflix Android app or even when logging in via web browser. The distributor said that Netflix support requires a license. After doing some research, this seems to be true for many non-American brands.
We cancelled Netflix and we are not buying any new subscriptions from American firms. I am just curious about the whole license issue.
Who’s going to step up and start creating a “dumb” version of absolutely everything? One brand dedicated to just making the thing do the thing it absolutely must do and nothing else.
Some premium brands like Bang & Olufsen sell TVs without adware, I think Panasonic TVs are mostly ad-free for now. Outside of that, most big brands will have “professional” or “commercial” product lines that also don’t have ads. But in all cases you’ll have to pay extra over the TVs subsidized by ads.
pay extra over the TVs subsidized by ads.
Let’s be very clear, they are not and never were “subsidised by ads”. Ads just became a new way to extract more money from customers.
https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV-category1category73.html
All their TVs are dumb. We’re moving to a new house next year, and I decided all our TVs will be Sceptre.
are mostly ad-free for now.
Mostly?
Is that already considered some kind of quality?
Some premium brands like Bang & Olufsen sell TVs without adware,
Well, their TVs start around $9k and get up to about $30k. That’d be kinda crazy if they play ads like other brands do.
that also don’t have ads.
YET!
What we need to be pushing is someone like Framework to build fixable TV’s. Plenty of companies now make PI compute style boards so give me a screen I can put my own PI compute style board in and flash my own software.
Then if JelllyFin added in the tuner side, considering it already has the basics, you’d likely get a ton of business selling custom TV’s that are more useable then the crap we have now. Look how popular the fire sticks got!
Makes me wish I had a few million to get a TV designed, make a batch but I think demand would be an issue… which begs the question, how is no-one doing it yet? 🤦♂️🙄
People that buy commercial displays won’t tolerate adware on their monitors. Can you imagine having a screen in a store and it suddenly displaying ads that are not for what the store sells itself? This ensures there will always be an healthy demand for ad free displays.
Would be great but the manufacturer would be at a disadvantage because that bundled bullshit effectively subsidizes the device. So you’d have to either raise prices or accept a lower profit margin.
Due to the high barrier of entry (e.g. because of patents) it’s unlikely that a privately owned company can make a big market entry, especially across countries. And a public company will be forced by the shareholders to maximize profit so either you bundle crapware or they fire you as CEO.
Of course if you look outside the TV market such devices already exist. High-quality digital signage devices can easily be had – for about three times the price of an equivalently-sized TV.
Wonder if avoiding the HDMI forum and only having open source ports like DP would reduce cost.
So you’d have to either raise prices or accept a lower profit margin.
Isn’t that the point and the main benefit of competitive markets?
Agreed, regarding barriers to entry though. They need to be addressed.
Alternatively… just get a CRT. Or hell, even an old plasma screen lol
Incredible. What a shit idea.
Anyways, kids, remember: never let your smart devices talk to the internet. We actually love our LG OLED - it’s fantastic hardware. But it has not once, and never will, get the chance to phone home.
Yeah, my LG OLED is a genuinely wonderful thing, with which 99% of its use is via an Apple TV. The other 1% is me casting my phone to it, because it’s a Pixel and Apple are pricks who won’t let AirPlay work outside of their ecosystem.
I got a Sony OLED that was on a steep discount near the beginning of covid since it was clear me and my roommate would be home a lot more (Ended up just being in nature more and used it sporadically). Thankfully their interface was minimal at the time so it was just a blank homescreen in offline mode but I’ve saw tvs now adays some people are buying that will have an overlay even while on any hdmi inputs, that you must connect to the tv. A friend of mine got a cheap Walmart one after a move like 2 years ago and the overlay took up a third of the screen. He just moved too so he had no internet to connect to for a couple days so couldn’t even use his PS4 on it.
But what do you use instead? The onboard apps work well and having two remotes always sucked.
I use an Apple TV with mine. You can control the TV and soundbar from its one small remote.
Thanks to HDMI-CEC you can control additional media players with your TV’s remote. Sometimes it might not be perfect for things like long presses and stuff, but for basic controls it works.
That’s my experience with an Nvidia Shield and a Raspberry with KODI. I wouldn’t really recommend the Raspberry though.
So long as the GabeCube is at a decent price it is going to be my TV’s media center. My old plan of building a new main rig and repurposing my old rig with an arc B580 upgrade went out the window for my budget when ram prices went through the roof.
Just consider that Netfliix and Co. don’t offer higher resolutions than 720p (?) on browsers that are not Edge (or does Chrome support it by now?). I really forgot the details because it’s such a mess using them on Linux. But maybe you use other sources for movies anyways. Also if you need to use your browser for media streaming you might lose some benefits from CEC because you still control things with mouse and keyboard.
Stremio with real debrid has very nice 4k with hdr, dolby vision, etc
Who would have thought?
Just consider that Netfliix and Co. don’t offer higher resolutions than 720p (?) on browsers that are not Edge
- Specifically, on browsers that are not Edge on Windows. And yeah, I genuinely don’t know the reasoning is behind specifically requiring Edge on Windows, when I’m sure Chrome on Windows supports the same DRM. Does Edge have some additional Windows-specific DRM on top of Widevine that’s connected to TPM2 and VBS that the streaming services use for authentication or something?
I have no qualms against paying for Netflix and getting their videos from other sources. If Netflix wants my viewing data, they can change their stance. Until then, Jellyfin with Jellyserr to handle requests will suffice. The Netflix app may just become a browse app if they don’t accept the future.
I use a remote like this that has a pointer function and a keyboard on the back.
Install KDE Plasma Big Screen QT6, Waydroid Android TV, and you’ll be golden
Modern replacement as a kodi box for both shield and pi is ugoos am6b+. ~120$ on aliexpress (probably more with tariffs) and once you flash it with coreelec it can natively playback pretty much any format except av1. You still dual boot to android so can also run all the streaming apps too, if you want, and the android is really stripped back vs the shield (especially the later releases where ad bullshit creeped in quite a bit) though not fully degoogled because the play store is still present.
Main downside is some issues with hdmi-cec. It works 99% but power on doesn’t when in coreelec. Ugoos locked the bootloader for some reason and refuses to unlock it. Fixes for this depend on equipment and use scenario. Some people on the forum that watch tv a lot just disable power on/off cec and leave it running 24/7, it’s pretty low power. I have an avr that works with hdmi-cec and home assistant so I have hdmi-cec on/off turned on, it will turn off when I turn the tv off with remote, and when I turn the tv on the avr turns on via CEC then home assistant sends a wake-on-lan packet to the device, which turns it on. A bit of a delay, but works.
Only device on the market that can properly play back Dolby vision though, including commercial bluray players. If you download 2160p remux with the dv layer for lg oled this is literally the only thing that plays it back correctly. Alternatively just get hdr rips
A separate box with apps that work better and just use the one remote.
I usually use my graphene smartphone connected with adapter cable usb c to hdmi on television.
Do you happen to know a guide about setting that up?
Grapheneos can currently only be installed on a google pixel phone, info can be found on yt.
Buy a USB-C to HDMI cable. Costs about 22 euros .
Look for mirror casting setting on your phone.Recently bought a pixel 8 pro and everything works .
Everything related to TV and music can be found on https://fmhy.net/Thank you! I own a Pixel 6a and a 7. I also run a Jellyfin server.
I’ll look into it.
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Would you connect it to the internet with all its consequences to be able to use one remote instead of two?
just block it from being able to reach wan AND wan from being able to reach it
I only use the Nvidia Shield remote. It obviously does everything on the Shield, plus tv on/off, and volume. Then I remapped the Netflix button on it to open a little quick actions menu to select brightness/picture mode levels.
Haven’t touched the lg remote since
I have an lg TV. Never use it’s remote.
At some point we’d have to start importing TVs from the other side of the Great Chinese Firewall to avoid unwanted US tech.
then you get unwanted chinese tech.
From a European perspective, at this stage I think I’d prefer the Chinese tech over the American.
It would have to phone home over the great firewall, which is the point
Uhh they let that sort of information in no problem. The firewall is more for random citizens not corporate servers.
I know people who watch Chinese dramas on those Chinese streaming apps here in Europe. The great firewall doesn’t block everything. And it’s mostly for outgoing traffic. Like people in China can’t get on Facebook, but people outside of China can get on WeChat, though making an account outside of China is impossible.
but people outside of China can get on WeChat, though making an account outside of China is impossible.
No it isn’t, I’ve done so.
But it would still phone home though? It’s not like great firewall blocks all traffic, it blocks traffic the CCP doesn’t like.
Or get a laptop or some other device so the TV has no choice but work as a simple display. We’ve come full circle
The new problem is AI running on the TV taking the images sent to it and processing those separately from everything else, and using that to see what you’re doing and watching.
Have you been reading? Don’t connect your tv to wifi.
You’ll have to rip the networking chip out pretty soon to stop them from sniffing out and connecting to WiFi or other devices connected to the internet.
They aren’t including hardware capable of brute forcing WPA2 in a TV.
That’s only an issue if someone’s still running an open network near you.
Some tvs will attempt to connect with another and use its internet link if available. Samsung tries this.
This is exactly the point I’m making. Once a few companies effectively own the market, what’s stopping them from programming their devices to communicate with each other without user knowledge? I remember seeing some post about a reddit guy asking why his Samsung (or other smart brand) dishwasher was using several GB of bandwidth daily.
If that’s the case, then you should return the TV if you can or replace the WiFi antenna with a 50 ohm resistor.
So… next step is to cut it’s wifi antenna and fill the ethernet port with superglue? Tech is amazing /s
Just use a DNS blocker ffs.
Sadly not a magic fix
Why not? That plus a good router forcing all DNS queries to you server of choice (e.g., Asus+Merlin) is the way to go.
I take it you never heard of hard coded IP adresses and DoH/DoT.
sighs… I take you never heard that hard coded IP addresses can’t bypass you router (using iptables/notables) forcing queries only on port 53 of your server of choice and that DoH/DoT servers can be blocked by a simple DNS blocklist (a feature in both ControlD and NextDNS, for instance).
I got my mom an iPad, apparently AI is unavoidable in setup. To finish setup, you must agree to Apple AI.
They are all doing it together. I can’t keep track of who owns what, perhaps “they” are all actually owned by the same megacorp.
It is not unavoidable. You can say no and move on with your setup. There are reasons to hate corporations but this is not one.
It is 100% unavoidable with the options provided. You can either click “activate AI” or “continue setup”, clicking the latter brings you to the “activate AI” prompt.
Please don’t make false claims to defend Apple, it’s silly.
Ecorp
I think everyone should return things when there is weird tos to use something. It costs the company as they’ll have to sell the product as ‘used’, and it informs them that people don’t actually agree, we are just coerced into it.
A coordinated effort to do that on a specific day could be interesting.
How about February 15th? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Refund_Day
This can be turned off after setup.
It’s stupid that this is the feature they decide to force considering using an Apple account during setup is still optional.
Thank you, I didn’t finish setup, I took a deep breath and turned the pad over and declared that I am done for the day. A man has to know his limitations.
Clever, so you have to agree to the terms either way.
Well Vanguard and Blackrock have a significant stake in all major companies even in Apple, together they own something like 17% of Apple and almost the same in Microsoft. Since they buy shares for their ETFs or mutual fund products. While they technically don’t own the shares but only manage the investments they do vote on behalf of their clients.
You can definitely turn Apple Intelligence off
Oh really? I have never had Apple Intelligence enabled on mine, it was always opt in I thought
It is. Original commenter is either dishonest or inept.
