Kinda late to this thread, but OP is pretty decent for the first 300 episodes, of which I recommend you watch One Pace or read the Manga instead due to Funimation’s absolute shit tier pacing and literal stall frame timing. Seriously you will waste a solid 1/3rd of the time on filler frames and static scenes because they want to make more episodes.
The writing itself is actually pretty smooth, and the filler content (not animation) actually fits so well you probably won’t even notice its filler, because it really adds to the world building and story (and afaik is actually written by the manga author).
Everything after than, just disregard it as a Shonen franchising product designed to make money, like Pokemon.
One Piece abbreviated as OP is confusing the hell out of my social media brain.
You’re not wrong about OP but also the rewatchability isn’t great. The power creep for one piece is ridiculous and the early episodes are kind of boring when compared to later episodes that aren’t filler.
I got bored after 8 episodes.
I thought it was so cool since protestors in Nepal used the pirate flag thing in the Gen Z protests, so I was like: did I miss out on a great Anime?
Nope, boooring. (no offense to the fans, but it just aint for me)
But the opening was cool tho…
Read the manga
The anime is boring
As a manga reader, read one piece, it’s great starting from volume 1. But I can’t watch the anime, it’s too slow. I don’t like most anime though.
Edit: not really a fan of TV in general I guess
Meh, it’s okay
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Source: I wasted time reading all of it, and now I’m stuck waiting for it to end already
After reading basically all of the comments here, I’m gonna dissent and say that the first 300eps of one piece are great and I disagree with people saying they aren’t. The show is not a speedrun. I loved the openings and endings. Skip the recap when it grates on you because over time it gets longer and longer; I remember some episodes having like 6 minutes of recap, which is absolutely unacceptable, regardless of how complex the war-like battles with multiple factions are.
I was greatly saddened by the decision to get rid of outros, and the double length into drags. The show can admittedly be slow in a lot of places, but nowhere near as egregious as a lot of people make it out to be. I LIKE shows that take it easy and have world building and vibe building.
If One Pace does it for you, though, all the power to you. That’s a great project.
Yeah, I’m always surprised at how common the opinion “one piece gets good after 50 episodes” is. One piece was pretty fun from the very start to me. Later episodes actually get worse for me because of how much they drag. I had to switch over to One Pace in dressrosa because I thought the actual plot was amazing, but I couldn’t handle the pace of the actual show.
This is probably the more popular view i hear from actual one piece fans
I think its probably because while the first few eps are really good, one or two of the south-blue arcs arent. To me its more like “one piece gets consistently good around arlong park”
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Yeah, Heavensward and Shadowbringers are undoubtedly the best bits. Endwalker isn’t far behind.
But then MMOs aren’t typically played for the story anyway.
And then turns to garbage at the 400 hour mark. Dawntrail actually made me quit due to some of the worst writing I have ever had the misfortune of experiencing in a game. Serious whiplash coming off the fourth expansion.
The raiding is trash. They took a good idea and just rinse, wash, repeat. It has a few new ideas mechanically, but really after near a decade I hung it up.
It was a pretty rough start for the new arc admittedly. The actual expac MSQ itself was decent, I beyond love all the FF9 stuff (apparently I have no idea how spoiler tags work on lemmy so spoiler below) but the patches have left me so disinterested I haven’t been on to do them for the last two or three at least
Especially since it’s essentially FF9 2, being set in the same world just many years in the future
I didn’t actually finish the 7.0 MSQ (I quit shortly after the awful “western” storyline), but the actual writing was painfully bad at every point leading up to that. For example, the way we know Wuk Lamat has grown as a person is because they say “Wuk Lamat has really grown through this adventure”. Most characters appear to have the motivation of dong things because the plot needs it to happen.
Finally, the prior expansions had strong themes, from Heavensword’s take on cyclical violence, SB talking about oppression and so on. Dawntrail doesn’t seem to have anything to say (or maybe it’s all at the end, idk). It was just really disappointing and I just couldn’t deal with it. It’s like it was written for children except it deals with dark themes. Like the worst of the YA section.
By contrast, I was a blubbering mess at points in ShB and EW. Especially the 5.3 stuff, holy shit.
Yeah it’s definitely the weakest point of the story, I agree with you there. It wasn’t IRREDEEMABLE though. I’d say it’s worth going back to finish. I mean I didn’t expect it to be EW quality since that was the climax of EVERYTHING and this is just the introduction to a new thing. But it very definitely could have been done better. For what it’s worth, if it wasn’t immediately obvious, it’s based off of the Americas, so the southern half is Brazil and such, and then they had the wild cowboy shit as soon as you cross the border into the north. Made me laugh, not gonna lie. Keep playing, it does get a lot better, I promise you that. ESPECIALLY if you have played FF9
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When I was new to anime I watched Naruto. Made it about 150 eps before everything felt like it was repeating itself, and that was the last “endless” anime I ever watched.
Still maintain that an anime over about 100 eps can’t be good–maybe ok, maybe amusing enough that you’ll watch it, but not good good. There’s simply no way to sustain a decent story for that long.
IIRC eps 120-220 are straight up 100 eps of filler and every fan will tell you to skip those.
Sorry for your shitty experience, hope you can give Shippuden’s canon a chance sometime
Didn’t Naruto have a literal entire year of filler?
Two and a half years, actually. They nearly real timed the time skip. Even then they couldn’t get through the next arc without more filler.
Is that total filler or contiguous filler?
I think I got to the low hundred mark on naruto. Then someone told me everything after the
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death of the old dude and kidnapping of super serious emo kid
wasn’t worth watching, because the naruto shipuden basically picked up there anyway. I suppose I’ll get around to shipuden someday and find out.
One Piece has a 25-episode fight at one point. Here’s a short list of anime shorter or the same length as this one fight:
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The first season of FLCL (6 Episodes)
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Hellsing (13 Episodes or 10 double-feature Ultimate episodes)
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No Game No Life (12 Episodes)
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Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (24 Episodes)
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The first season of Re:Zero (14-22 Episodes depending on cut)
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Devilman: Crybaby (10 Episodes)
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Puella Magi Madoka Magica (12 Episodes)
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Bokurano (24 Episodes)
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Berserk (25 Episodes for the OLM show, 13 Episodes for Studio 4°C, 24 Episodes for 2016)
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Kill la Kill (24 Episodes)
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Ergo Proxy (23 Episodes)
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The first season of Psycho-Pass (22 Episodes)
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The first season of Assassination Classroom (22 Episodes)
One Piece is best enjoyed as a manga. Reading it goes much faster and loses a bit of the anime character tropes.
This is my biggest issue with One Piece, or any form of extended media like this. It’s not that I won’t like it, but how much unique media am I giving up to watch it? It’s the same vibe I got when I was really into an MMO. Love the game, one of my favorites of all time even. But I’m much happier broadening my horizons and playing a unique experience every month or so opposed to the same game for a year straight.
I never watched one Piece but there’s no way you need over a thousand episodes for whatever story they are trying to tell. I can’t wrap my head around that.
After a while you need to stop caring about the overall plot (which is pretty interesting on its own, but that is like drip fed to you) and start enjoying the arcs individually. Usually the structure is that they get to a new island, get to know the inhabitants and their culture and individual characters, the crew finds a mystery, problem or conspiracy, and they help the inhabitants. Quite often there are also multi-island plots that tie up all the plots of each individual island.
Admittedly the solution is always inevitably “Luffy punches the bad guy really hard in the face” while the rest of the characters are usually busy punching the bad guy’s underlings, but since you end up liking both the main characters and the characters they meet in each island (and the relatively rare but much beloved recurring characters), you don’t mind it as much.
It’s cause they’re turning 16 page chapters of manga into full episodes. If you made a succinct version, you could probably tell the whole story so far in 200 episodes. Much smaller than that and you’d really start cutting into the story being told.
Wasn’t there a project aiming to recreate the anime but without any filler?
One Pace, yes. It’s the only way I’ve consumed the anime. It’s good but occasionally the site goes down. Also it is not up to date with the current stuff because it can’t be, it’s all volunteer.
nyaa, if only there was some way to grab it without the site being up. Si, that would be very nice indeed.
Or what I guess I’m trying to tell you is that you can download it from nyaa.si
One Piece but it’s made by 5secondfilms
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I play FFXIV, it’s unironicslly true.
However: The game is decently fun before the story kicks in
and the devs for sure need to trim the story a lot more specially the earlier levels.
in addition to that the early content is becoming very stale and needs a rework
I’m not kidding when I say the 4th expansion is some of the best story telling in video game history, the music and production is beyond anything I’ve ever experienced and I look back very fondly to that expansion
So for someone who has never played, and doesn’t have a clue about the game, is it worth diving into? Do I need to do anything special to avoid spoilers, or will the game take me through the story from the original game through the expansions without deviation?
I tried the free trial recently, and… it wasn’t for me.
Cool art. Running around and interacting is pretty straightforward. Good linux/proton support (though couldn’t recognize my controller immediately, so I just went mnk).
But it’s delivery missions for like 10s of hours. I don’t have much MMORPG experience, so maybe it’s just not the right genre for me. I had more fun in character creation than I did in the actual game. Plus I couldn’t play at all during peak because I apparently chose a popular server/world. Combat felt clunky on mnk.
If I had friends who played, maybe I’d be more inclined to push through, but as a solo player it felt like doing chores.
I only pitch it to people who already play MMOs. It’s a massive time sink, and very heavy with cutscenes. Sometimes the story gets really slow (like basically doing chores for people to convince them to help you save the world) but at other times it’s absolutely incredible. I agree that the 4th xpac is some of the best writing ever.
As for spoilers in the game, you should be pretty safe. The game itself will take you through the story linearly and the community is generally very respectful.
You can play the base game and I think the first expansion up to level 60 for free. Be aware that it is an MMO, and they’ve kept most of the content that they’ve added in the game, so it’s pretty daunting starting out.
Only if you don’t have a family or plans to do much else for a year
The main story alone will take you literal months
Okay, so definitely not right now in my life, lol. It sounds great though. One of the reasons I ‘fell out’ with MMOs was the rushed nature of their story due to wanting to throw people at the end game content. EQ2 was reasonable with it, but WoW just fucked everything for me. It was never worth the time to learn about an area, because you’re already past most of its content and getting to the next one by the time you sneezed from the book dust.
WoW just fucked everything for me. It was never worth the time to learn about an area, because you’re already past most of its content and getting to the next one by the time you sneezed from the book dust.
WoW has been getting worse and worse at this in the later levels after the scaling rework, BUT if you start a new character, then anything that’s not the most current expansion, you can start doing the content from a lower level and actually take your time through… Well probably one expansion’s story lol
So if you go to Northrend or Pandaria or whereever at level 10, you have plenty of time because you can keep doing these zones till you’re level 60 or 70 or something and only then do you actually HAVE to move to the newest region to keep leveling up.
Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor of course are so big that you’re going to have to do multiple characters to get all the storylines done without doing some at max lvl.
I’d say it is, because while it’s a slow burn the buildup leads to some pretty epic payoffs.
And the game will not only take you through each story in sequence so you don’t have to worry about spoilers, it will lock you out of progressing class quests (if they have spoilers, and the later ones often have at least a few) until you’ve played the relevant story parts. So it’s extra-anti-spoiler.
Very definitely worth it. And it’s free so if you don’t like it, not like you’re wasting anything. Have something like 10k hours in it. I don’t play it much anymore other than to check in and/or dick around with friends since I’ve done most of what I wanted. There’s no FOMO or anything like that. It’s very much built as an RPG, just online (though with the recent updates you can play the entire thing single player if you so wish). So you can just take your leave of it once you’ve done the content you want and come back later without missing anything. Very worth it.
Unironiconally one of my favorite FF stories, third to 9 and 10. And that probably has to do with them taking the time to build up a backstory and lore. So it’s not off to the racetracks minute one, big deal. Do you expect that when you read a book? Makes you care more about the people later on since they’ve been established as actual people and not just Spiky Hair Video Game Guy #1 and Woman Who Should Be Cold In Those Clothes #8
the free trial has infinite time and some minor restrictions so imo you should try it
i didn’t know what to expect and only played guikdwars 1 and some 2 and very little WOW and ff14 won me over
it’s a very charming game with lots of character and you can tell it was made with love
I love the franchise. I really do. But I couldn’t get over 14 feeling like an MMO during my free trial. It didn’t feel like the ambitious mainline FF games. Is it really worth picking it up for the story?
Depends, try it and see. There’s some really good content and great fights. But yeah being an mmo it takes time and is hit or miss.
yes, ff14 is literally a single player game with some multiplayer element
it’s the one thing I don’t like about it I wish it was far more social and MMO like
Ff14 is as social and mmo like as you want it to be. Just need to engage with it
Didn’t they already trim down ARR? I thought that was during Endwalker or Dawntrail
But yeah, very few video games have made me cry and Endwalker was one of them
yeah they have, imo it’s too long due to the “onboarding” for new players to play current content with friends
It peaked at Shadowbringers. Endwalker was very good. Dawntrail is crap.
Depends on the individual. I found the game to be deeply moving even in the earliest stages. Though the Limsa and Ul’dah night themes could make passing a tapeworm into a bucket feel moving.
<Insert Anime here> is really good. You just need to cut away <roughly 75% of it>.
Bad TV apologia is a sure sign I won’t vibe with someone
Ain’t that the truth. There used to be a shortened version of Naruto on utube that was like a third the length of the full versions, with out lose of any content.
There’s a fan project recutting One Piece like that, and Dragon Ball Z Kai was an official series.
I think anime has switched almost entirely to a seasonal format for related reasons. Filler just doesn’t serve a purpose if you don’t need to regularly fill a time slot on a live channel.
sometimes i watch with 4x speed. most times 1.25 or 1.5. they really like to stretch some things out. “go parn. save deedlit. i’ll deal with it.” “are you sure?” “go parn.” “are you sure?” “go parn.” “are you really, really sure?” get in the fucking robot. shinji
You just need to cut away <roughly 75% of it>.
Hey now, there’s no need to bring Farscape into this. (I’m joking. But Farscape was famously adapted into a very watchable re-cut that throws out a great deal of the original film.)
You take that back!
I never knew about the recut, but presumably it gets rid of a lot of the monster-of-the-week content?
I don’t think any of that was actually bad. It didn’t move the overarching plot along all the time, but that wasn’t the point.
You take that back!
I know, right? Sacrilege! Haha.
I never knew about the recut, but presumably it gets rid of a lot of the monster-of-the-week content?
When I watched it, I couldn’t really tell what was missing.
It did flow more smoothly than the original cut, but that’s probably mostly just thanks to not having to hit an exact target length in minutes.
I suspect that much of the cut content was the puppet character establishing side story bits and short side story vignettes. (Which I adore. But I didn’t notice them missing. Of course, that might be only because I’ve already seen them.)
I don’t think any of that was actually bad. It didn’t move the overarching plot along all the time, but that wasn’t the point.
I agree. The cut version is genuinely surprisingly great, but I think that’s mostly due to how great Farscape is, in general.
I actually prefer the fulll version.
The Farscape re-cut wasn’t so much necessary, as an impressive feat of thoughtful editing.
Do you know about how much it cut out?
I want to say a little over half? From memory, I think shows were 18-22 minutes when it was made. And the re-cut got each episode down to around 10 minutes.
Warframe players fr (I have over 3,000 hours)
I think I started playing Warframe when it just came out, but only like 30 hours maybe, came back several years later and played 30 more. A couple years ago I played 30 more. I’ve always been so confused and it only gets worse every time I come back. But I like the bits where the ninja goes woosh and chop and bang, so that’s pretty cool.
Once you get to like Neptune I think is when you unlock the first cinematic quest. It is kind of annoying that they haven’t gone back and done more “prequel” style quests so newer players can know what kind of story they’re getting into before such a long commitment.
They did just recently release a very short quest that unlocks at the beginning of the game but it ended up being a little underwhelming.
Also, depending on when you were playing those quests might not have existed yet. Iirc The Second Dream, which was the first “cinematic” quest came out in 2015
I think the main reason The Second Dream hit so hard was because the game was so flat and plotless up until that point. Like, it’s a great story and all, but the “twist” would have been guessed within moments of starting it if players expected there to be any plot beyond the scraps of lore they’d been given thus far.
Though kudos to the devs for making that flatness part of the plot, as you’re basically just a machine going through the motions until you “awaken”. Still sucks from a gameplay perspective, of course.
I still count The Second Dream among the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had. I agree with you that the only reason it worked is because the game was so plotless until that point, but it’s not like the game wasn’t fun until then - it was just fun for reasons other than story. If the moment to moment gameplay hadn’t been engaging, having the big reveal be tens or hundreds of hours into the experience wouldn’t have worked at all.
The game Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons is another example of this sort of thing… There’s a moment near the end that hits really hard, and I feel like the whole design discussion for the game focused on that moment and the rest of the game was just a vessel to get the player to the point where it would hit hardest, and it does a great job of that. It’s only a 4 hour experience, though, not a 40+ hour one.
Oh, definitely. Warframe’s movement mechanics are second to none and the combat is sublime, albeit unbalanced as hell (though in the player’s favor at least). It went from a good game to one of the all-time greats once they added the narrative alongside handcrafted missions.
I think another cause of early Warframe burnout is needing to unlock the starchart. Its mostly linear design forces you to play several of each mission type to progress, including ones the majority of the playerbase hates. And before we got open world hubs like Cetus and Orb Vallis with activities like spear fishing, hunting and racing, there wasn’t much you could do to unwind within the game when you got bored of missions.
Not to mention every quest after the second dream is also absolute cinema
Definitely felt like the new war was a bit of a letdown after the first few, and the whole time loop thing in the other quest was a neat premise but the execution felt a bit all over the place. Actually my biggest issue with more recent Warframe stuff is that it feels like nobody says no to any ideas. I do still drop in to see where it’s at though.
Came here for this. I bounced before I could reach that “mission thar changes everything”.
To be fair about One Piece, there’s so little unique content in each episode, sandwiched between a lengthy theme song and recap, and next episode preview, that 37 episodes is more like 15 episodes.
And I love all of it.
Honestly pacing is the anime’s biggest weakness. The show simply has dogwater pacing to help it maintain a consistent run since 1999. One Pace, which cuts roughly half of the total run time is a godsend if you ever want to watch the show
I mean, I’m currently already 650 episodes into the main anime already, so I may as well keep going. 😅 One Pace sounds great though, so I’ll probably try that for a rewatch someday. Maybe after reading the manga for comparison.
I’m personally getting caught up, just finished Wano, which One Pace has only covered MOST of and the viewing experience noticeably declined when I went to the official content. Would recommend, even for first view
