My Alex Jones listening co-worker claimed I had TDS. He was all big on Trump as the Epstein Files were gonna be released, the economy was going to have all the factories returned to America,food would be cheaper…
I just bit my tongue and said nothing.
Now, with his wife’s medical needs so severe that he’s got almost nothing left at the end of each month, he says to me “How come we can’t get an affordable medical system that covers everyone completely…” to which I said, “Well, we could have that and be like every other civilized nation on Earth, but that’s ‘socialism’ after all and we can’t have that… I mean isn’t that what your right wing radio says?”
He’s gotten awfully silent about lots of that stuff now and I mentioned Epstein files being not released and he lost his shit over it. I told him that there was no more “deep state” it was the State now, and is right there in Washington DC and in your face. He is no longer disagreeing with that assessment.
I think that the reality of the situation is breaking through the Trump Delusion Syndrome a lot of these die-hards had and they are starting to see what really is going on and they’re pissed and silently fuming about it now.
My co-worker took the vinyl “1776” stickers with the tattered flag backgrounds off of his truck and lost all his Trump swag as well.
At this point, you can work on them to bring it all into focus and the FIRST thing I always say is “you gotta get away from the billionaire controlled cable TV and social media sites…” then I point them to the vanilla news sites that have no editorializing, like AP and Reuters.
If they are open to it, I also point them to using Firefox and adding uBO. Given that sites like fb are now running rage-bait scam ads, the ad-blocking is critical.
A lot of the MAGA folks have been overwhelmed by the noise.
On one hand, I have a coworker who clearly angrily scraped his trump stickers off the tailgate, and on the other, I have a coworker who straight up held a nazi salute with an audible “heil” when he started talking about his favorite band, Rammstein.
Now I don’t know anything about Rammstein and their political views in general, but I’ve known a few Germans in my time and they all held very strong (negative) views on the nazi regime.
Most coworkers have stopped talking about politics and such in general during breaks though.
Rammstein got so sick and tired of being called Nazis just because they make harsh music with German lyrics that they put out “Links 2 3 4” two decades ago to clear up that they lean socialist. And Till Lindemann himself has said repeatedly that they hate Nazis. And yet, people still associate them with it because they can’t think beyond “Scary German music = Nazi”.
I think that the reality of the situation is breaking through the Trump Delusion Syndrome a lot of these die-hards had and they are starting to see what really is going on and they’re pissed and silently fuming about it now.
The fundamental problem with this logic is that anyone dumb enough to have fallen for this in the first place (and to vote for Trump again in 2024) is more than dumb enough to fall victim to all the nonsense of the next election. There’s no way this momentary glimmer of rationality will survive an election campaign, and the utterly broken epistemology of these people is no closer to being fixed.
Reality is crashing in and with the number of these folks on assistance that Trump has cut, it’s only going to get worse.
My prediction is that if you still see a die-hard Trumper like in the photo, it’s actually someone wealthy that’s cosplaying.
The majority of Trump supporters generally don’t have two pennies to rub together, and given what’s going on in DC right now, they probably don’t have that anymore and they’re pissed…
I’m glad people like your coworker have the mental bandwidth to realize who’s causing their problems, but I’m worried a large number continue to blame the evil libs, migrants, or just aren’t personally affected enough to realize anything changed.
I do too. It sounds bad, but it’s the only way they’ll learn anything. I hope they lose everything for treating people this way for the last fucking decade.
People won’t see anything beyond their front door until pain comes knocking. They cannot even think to see things from another person’s view nor have empathy or understanding of anyone but themselves. Fuck all of them.
Don’t talk shit until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, then you’ll be a mile away and they’ll have no shoes.
Some do until they don’t. I was a pretty devout convinced JW into my 30s, with the few doubts I had (I never hated gay people, but still bought the “it’s not a sin to be gay, it’s a sin to act on it” line) being suppressed by my assuming God knew better than me or that since God made the earth he gets to make the rules.
I also enjoyed science but kept brainwashing myself to allow for science and the creation belief (not young earth, maybe dinosaurs were just a preparatory stage, maybe God guided evolution, etc), but eventually a joke on Futurama mocked the moving goalposts of missing link arguments and it kinda broke the floodgates.
This man is experiencing personal issues that affect him directly, which makes it harder to rationalize away. It’s how some people leave stuff like religion: a bad thing happens to them personally and God in no way helps, so the doubts start breaking through the stubbornness.
Only time will tell, but deep down I think his mind is changed. We didn’t have any local elections with everyone else but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t vote blue next time.
My Alex Jones listening co-worker claimed I had TDS. He was all big on Trump as the Epstein Files were gonna be released, the economy was going to have all the factories returned to America,food would be cheaper…
I just bit my tongue and said nothing.
Now, with his wife’s medical needs so severe that he’s got almost nothing left at the end of each month, he says to me “How come we can’t get an affordable medical system that covers everyone completely…” to which I said, “Well, we could have that and be like every other civilized nation on Earth, but that’s ‘socialism’ after all and we can’t have that… I mean isn’t that what your right wing radio says?”
He’s gotten awfully silent about lots of that stuff now and I mentioned Epstein files being not released and he lost his shit over it. I told him that there was no more “deep state” it was the State now, and is right there in Washington DC and in your face. He is no longer disagreeing with that assessment.
I think that the reality of the situation is breaking through the Trump Delusion Syndrome a lot of these die-hards had and they are starting to see what really is going on and they’re pissed and silently fuming about it now.
My co-worker took the vinyl “1776” stickers with the tattered flag backgrounds off of his truck and lost all his Trump swag as well.
We even have fucking Marjorie Taylor Greene getting angry at Trump and blaming the shutdown on the Republicans.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2025/11/04/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-shes-ok-with-angering-trump-amid-shutdown-rift-he-usually-yells-at-everybody/
If that doesn’t show anyone how common this type of thing has gotten…
Only seeing the light when it affects them directly. Classic.
Well, at least they ARE seeing it now.
At this point, you can work on them to bring it all into focus and the FIRST thing I always say is “you gotta get away from the billionaire controlled cable TV and social media sites…” then I point them to the vanilla news sites that have no editorializing, like AP and Reuters.
If they are open to it, I also point them to using Firefox and adding uBO. Given that sites like fb are now running rage-bait scam ads, the ad-blocking is critical.
A lot of the MAGA folks have been overwhelmed by the noise.
On one hand, I have a coworker who clearly angrily scraped his trump stickers off the tailgate, and on the other, I have a coworker who straight up held a nazi salute with an audible “heil” when he started talking about his favorite band, Rammstein.
Now I don’t know anything about Rammstein and their political views in general, but I’ve known a few Germans in my time and they all held very strong (negative) views on the nazi regime.
Most coworkers have stopped talking about politics and such in general during breaks though.
Rammstein got so sick and tired of being called Nazis just because they make harsh music with German lyrics that they put out “Links 2 3 4” two decades ago to clear up that they lean socialist. And Till Lindemann himself has said repeatedly that they hate Nazis. And yet, people still associate them with it because they can’t think beyond “Scary German music = Nazi”.
The fundamental problem with this logic is that anyone dumb enough to have fallen for this in the first place (and to vote for Trump again in 2024) is more than dumb enough to fall victim to all the nonsense of the next election. There’s no way this momentary glimmer of rationality will survive an election campaign, and the utterly broken epistemology of these people is no closer to being fixed.
That’s definitely good news
Reality is crashing in and with the number of these folks on assistance that Trump has cut, it’s only going to get worse.
My prediction is that if you still see a die-hard Trumper like in the photo, it’s actually someone wealthy that’s cosplaying.
The majority of Trump supporters generally don’t have two pennies to rub together, and given what’s going on in DC right now, they probably don’t have that anymore and they’re pissed…
I’m glad people like your coworker have the mental bandwidth to realize who’s causing their problems, but I’m worried a large number continue to blame the evil libs, migrants, or just aren’t personally affected enough to realize anything changed.
I have a really hard time believing that reality is crashing in on them. The most fucked up and shitty state by pretty much every measure is Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is the only state in the US were Trump won every single county.
God, i really hope many of them suffer badly.
Homeless and on the streets is the fate they deserve.
I do too. It sounds bad, but it’s the only way they’ll learn anything. I hope they lose everything for treating people this way for the last fucking decade.
People won’t see anything beyond their front door until pain comes knocking. They cannot even think to see things from another person’s view nor have empathy or understanding of anyone but themselves. Fuck all of them.
Don’t talk shit until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, then you’ll be a mile away and they’ll have no shoes.
Your story doesn’t seem credible to me because my experience with MAGA is they tend to double down in a crisis.
Some do until they don’t. I was a pretty devout convinced JW into my 30s, with the few doubts I had (I never hated gay people, but still bought the “it’s not a sin to be gay, it’s a sin to act on it” line) being suppressed by my assuming God knew better than me or that since God made the earth he gets to make the rules.
I also enjoyed science but kept brainwashing myself to allow for science and the creation belief (not young earth, maybe dinosaurs were just a preparatory stage, maybe God guided evolution, etc), but eventually a joke on Futurama mocked the moving goalposts of missing link arguments and it kinda broke the floodgates.
This man is experiencing personal issues that affect him directly, which makes it harder to rationalize away. It’s how some people leave stuff like religion: a bad thing happens to them personally and God in no way helps, so the doubts start breaking through the stubbornness.
One down, 70 million to go.
These people think that because they’re white and Trump is white that Trump is talking to them and not about them.
I have one close friend that told me yesterday he was “one of those guys that voted for Trump and regrets it” I was so proud I could cry.
The question is he going to do it again for the next charaltain that offers him mean, easy answers that just hurt everyone?
Only time will tell, but deep down I think his mind is changed. We didn’t have any local elections with everyone else but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t vote blue next time.
good on him for actually changing his mind.
ive personally seen motherfuckers get fucked even harder and still being passionately fascist. many many times.