I thought for uber eats the “tip” was a bribe or bounty you have to add to your order ahead of time to ensure it even gets picked up?
Now there’s a pay ~$5 extra option to have your order delivered first. I doubt that goes to the driver. I tip pretty well when I do order but I’ve been getting barely warm food for awhile. Once I did tip less and just pay the $5 fee to get my food faster. Just more enshittifaction.
Now with extortion!
They don’t know the tip until after the delivery. I’ve had a driver be like “they’re making me wait to pick this up, please add a tip for extra time” (yeah ok buddy) I had already put a large tip on the delivery. I really wanted to remove it after the driver pulled that shit though.
Imagine being single and actively casually dating and having this just run in your head for the rest of your life. Never knowing if someone is going to show up to your door and introduce you as the parent. I think part of the terrorism is that it’d affect everything, and be especially hainious if you want to be a parent. Youd have to tell future potential long term partners that there may be a child out there. I think might be one of the most long term cognitohazard pranks I’ve seen
I don’t think the recipient in this case is sexually active. It seems not even just the tip…
- 1% probability: someone is pregnant and just never told me.
- 99% probability: someone is playing a prank on me.
And that 1% will eat you alive. Fuck Uber Eats for how they pay their drivers, but fuck that guy. Ordering $300 of food and not even kicking a few bucks to the person delivering it, knowing full well that Uber pays their drivers like shit, is a trash move.
Instead of this moronic “voluntary” expectation, let’s all save thousands of hours of arguments, posts, and complaints from everyone involved and add 20% to the bill for the worker done and done.
Sometimes you don’t want to tip? No shit. I don’t want to tip. I don’t even want to pay. But I do it.
Let’s all do what we want, good idea, everything is free and nobody works and we can just run through the woods and frolic which sounds like a good idea until you get hungry
No no no, see here we add 7 dollars for “delivery” and as you would correctly assume, that goes directly to the CEO’s 4th yacht.
Then we shame the customer into dropping another 15 or 20%.
I’ve recently just stopped tipping for any company that puts a fake delivery fee in their subtotal (or outright stop ordering from them when possible).
I worked for a place that did this, i.e. added a delivery surcharge which the house kept. I discovered that this is, in fact, illegal in my state unless it is disclosed in writing. Which it wasn’t.
When we had a new point of sale system installed, as our restaurant’s resident tech person I naturally adjusted the such that were were in compliance with the law and delivery surcharges were pooled with the employees’ tips.
The owner never noticed.
Whenever I see Americans talking about tips, I imagine them like just another tax they have and not add to the price before the customer pays.
You just don’t understand the freedom
The problem is the delivery companies are abusing the definition of “tip” and how they pay their drivers. I used to drive deliveries for DoorDash and they typically only pay $1.50-2.50 per delivery, despite charging $6-8 for a delivery fee, on top of prices typically being 30% higher than the menu in the restaurant. As a driver, the rule of thumb is typically that you shouldn’t take a job paying less than $1/mile. So the rest of the money for the driver comes from the “tip”. A tip is supposed to be a bonus reward for good service, but the reality of the situation on these delivery services is that it’s just the rest of the delivery fee to the driver. The delivery companies know if they list it as an actual delivery fee they’ll lose customers because some customers will feel like the fees become too excessive. So instead they exploit inexperienced drivers into taking orders thinking they’ll get a tip later, but often end up with nothing. And customers who think the tip is actually a tip according to the original definition and voluntary often end up with bad service because experienced drivers will pass on the deliveries, meaning they sit and sit, with food getting cold while the delivery service eventually starts offering to increase the pay in 25¢ increments after a certain number of rejections. Sometimes orders will sit for a couple hours before someone will finally take the order. This is still bad for the drivers, because the customers will often leave them a bad review, blaming the driver for the order taking so long to arrive. The driver doesn’t know what part is “tip” until the delivery is complete.
The reviews are another bad system. Historically people think of a 5-star rating system goes from 1 star being terrible, two being below average, three being average, four being above average, and five being excellent. However, rating systems often rank anything below five stars as bad. So people will leave a four star review thinking that’s good but as far as the company is concerned is bad. IIRC DoorDash drops any driver with a rating below 4.7. And we see this problem a lot of places online: product reviews on shops, online business reviews, even hotels where 3 stars was traditionally decent now see that as bad.
This is so weird to read as a European… Tips here are almost frowned upon
I hear this a lot, but it doesn’t seem true anymore. Every country I go to in Europe, tipping culture is creeping in and more expected in small amounts.
In Germany it’s pretty common to tip a bit, even if not nearly as much as in the US. I wouldn’t know what to tip for a 300€ order though because… What the fuck, did they order cocaine?
The fun thing is that we’d be expected to pay between 15 and 20 percent on such an order.
Tipping in percent. Seems almost too metric. How many quarters to the foot gallon is that?
In America they tip in perpenny
Fuck if I know. 5€?
300 is a round number already though. So no tip? 298.56 I could see rounding to 300 though.
0.5% - you might as well not bother as it’s almost more of an insult than not tipping at all.
Its more about going to a round number so no bothering with change.
I would try $5, they might not understand our currency
No fuck them I say. They cannot even be bothered to tip in € when they come here. If I ever visit their godforsaken land again I will tip them in € out of spite
Pick one of the old currencies that is no longer in circulation. Leave them 2000 Italian lira.
I’ll jus use slovenian tolar. We still have thousands of those lying someshere
In many cases, yes. But when it comes to delivery services like this that has a history of underpaying and bad working conditions it just makes sense to tip IMO, and absolutely do it in hand and not via the app or whatever. I very rarely order food, and when I do I always try to stay clear of these kinds of delivery services. But it’s often hard to so, and when there’s no other option I always choose something that has a deal and then give the difference to what it would have been directly to the delivery person (not sure what the right word here is).
About a month ago I was at my moms place with my half brother and the local delivery app, foodora, had a 40% deal for any order from our favourite pizzeria so that was an obvious choice, when I gave the 40% of the total to the delivery person they almost started crying and that just felt so damn good. It absolutely sucks that this situation even happened, they should be paid more and have way better working conditions etc. but we all do what little we can with the reality we’re in. I made some actual difference for someone and I’ll take that.You made it worse. Now instead of asking for a raise or changing a job he would hope for another client to gift him money.
The customer paid for delivery already; it’s not the guy’s fault Uber Eats doesn’t pay you enough
And the service fee, and the priority fee so it’s not cold, and the mark-up on the food
“Your driver is delivering another order first”
Sure ask me again for that tip, APP. Do it. I dare you.
C’mon guys it’s the soulless corporation exploiting the poor that we need to be mad at
They paid $300…
Conversation with the wife:
“Are you pregnant?”
“No”
“Well some asshole left his trash on my windshield. And can you believe that a 3 course meal from a midrange restaurant costs $300 now?? WTF.”
Yeah that’s how it would go if we found one on our car
I think the implication would be that an angry mistress left it
I think the implication is that a healthy relationship wouldn’t be phased by such a stunt.
Fair point
Yeah, random stuff happens and normal people don’t assume something like a pregnant mistress.
One time someone left a few roses under my windshield at work on valentine’s day. I assume someone mistook my car for someone else’s, not that I had some secret admirer who wanted to do a pointlessly anonymous gesture.
One time someone let out the air from one of my tires overnight in my driveway, for no apparent reason and it caused me mild annoyance.
Anyway, fake internet story for fake internet points.
needs to get exploited to cover bills
let’s have a baby :D
while I am moderately humored by the initial gesture, you and your partner are idiots, CJ
Not everyone who does it is doing it to survive. My coworker just does it when he’s bored and his wife and kid are gone.
And he knew it was his car because…
Vindictive delivery drivers like this are yet another reason why I only make my own food.
Also, you know, I won’t spend 300 quid on 1 meal.
Brutal hehe…
As someone who actually makes the food I think drivers shouln’t get tips but instead should be paid more. They should also have full vehicle maintenance covered while driving for work too. The whole delivery service thing is a grift that is eroding the resturaunt industry hard. If it was to for VC money it wouldn’t even be feasable. Things will need to change soon
I think all tipped staff should instead be paid livable wage, but still be allowed to collect tips. Tipping should be something you do to flirt with the waitress or reward a team that did a really outstanding job
You’ve got an interesting idea of flirting lol
“Hey baby, here’s some cash. More where that came from ;)”
That’s kind of how dates work
You find what you look for
Yeah… Maybe not the flirting part. Otherwise agreed.
Tipping culture is bullshit anyway. If you run a business where you can’t afford to pay your employees enough without going out of business, then your business shouldn’t exist.
Tipping culture is bullshit. But if somebody doesn’t want to participate in tipping culture, they should refuse to patronize businesses that do participate in it. Somebody who stiffs people that depend on tips to make a living isn’t doing anything except being an asshole
They can afford it. But the make more when they completely shaft both the customer and the driver.
This is untrue. Margins for restaurants are razor-thin. They could only raise wages and eliminate the need for tips by raising prices, but then people wouldn’t eat there because everywhere else looks cheaper. Because customers are dumb and don’t think about how much tips cost, just what the menu price says.
If the restaurant doesn’t serve the same food as their neighbor, why would they lose money to them? And if the restaurant DOES serve the same food as their neighbour, they are fucking stupid.
A common example though: A McDonalds Big Mac costs costs about $5.99 in , in Denmark it costs about $7. But in Denmark the worker is paid a minimum of $21. On top of that, they get paid maternity/paternity leave. The worker pays 2% of their pay into their pension fund, while the restaurant pays 11%. They get paid sickleave, they get 6 weeks of fully paid vacation per year. I could go on and on about workers rights that cost a lot of money for a business, but that somehow doesn’t mean they have to raise prices.
If that’s possible for pretty much the same price of a burger, then the margins aren’t really as thin as you’ve been led to believe, but they make a hell of a lot more money by making you believe their lies.
This is untrue. Margins for restaurants
We aren’t talking about restaurants. We are talking about delivery services.
Bringing kids into a world while this is the backdrop of one’s life seems almost heartless.
2 things can be simultaneously true:
- Tipping culture in the US is absolutely fucked and employers should be paying their employees
- Underpaid workers currently depend on your tips to survive
Now, I just elect to not order any delivery at all. There is a 15% service fee, a delivery fee, AND food markup because they charge restaurant like 30%.
I am not sure how is this a fair deal. The guy ordering $300 worth of food probably already paid $60-$100 to get his food. This is already way higher than any traditional delivery service would ask for. The price tag just no longer makes sense for me.
Now, I just elect to not order any delivery at all.
Yep. I just pick it up myself. If someone can earn a living by driving for 10 min, I guess I can too. ;p
Though, I have mostly just cook. Eating out is extremely expensive.
The stripes on the tests fade. It wouldn’t be that visible after three months.
