• Etterra@discuss.online
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    6 days ago

    That’s why I advocate for fines and penalties scaled to income and net worth, both personal and corporate. If you’re poor you should still be able to eat after paying a speeding ticket, but if you’re a billionaire you should be knocked down a couple of million for the same offense.

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      5 days ago

      There should still be a minimum though otherwise people with 0 met worth or income can just doo whatever and not have any consequences.

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        5 days ago

        They also have no capacity to pay whatever fine you might levy. This is not really a problem you can get around. It’s tautological. People with nothing to lose have nothing to lose.

        The social contract flows both ways. If you’ve been left behind, you don’t owe jack to society.

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      5 days ago

      But that leads to a surveillance state that is obsessed with how much everyone is “worth” at all times. That’s bullshit. I say we just take body capacity. You gotta wear a cast for a week. A month. You lose a finger. You lose your eyes. Those are things we all value equally (if you will excuse the ableism and assume it can be compensated for).

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        You do realize that “a surveillance state where the government knows how much money and holdings everyone has” describes the entire basis of the tax system, right? The government already knows that information. So, you’re saying that you are so concerned that the government would suddenly know how much money everyone makes, and that the better solution is institutionalized governmental corporal punishment leading to permanent disability and death?

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      5 days ago

      But if rich people can’t get away with everything (except for a light slap on the wrist) then people won’t be motivated to innovate and improve

      Like trumps desire to rape children motivated him to bankrupt three casinos and become president

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      5 days ago

      a country in europe (maybe finland?) does this. I remember a dude getting a multi-thousand euro(?) fine.

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      6 days ago

      In that case the fee would be around three-fiddy and not $85 or almost 50%.
      Just have a look at the most recent slap on Meta’s wrist for knowingly ruining countless lives of children and teenagers.

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      5 days ago

      It is also made up. In US you must swipe your credit card first before you can start fueling, or pay the attendant cash in advance.

      Although I suppose some attendants might make an exception when you leave your driver’s license with then, but then you also would be driving away without DL.

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        4 days ago

        In Australia, at least where I am, we’re still civilised and they let you fill up and then pay. There’s cameras to catch the plates of people that drive off without paying, though.

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          3 days ago

          Everyone is used to what they normally use, though I’m originally from Europe, living in US for most of my life and while visiting my country recently I used a car rental. I think having card reader on the gas distributor is better.

          I noticed two issues. Once is that people almost always left their car next to the distributor when going to pay, so I had to wait until they were done, then when I went to pay I had to wait in line, because nearly everyone also was purchasing additional items from the store (I guess this approach has plus for the owner as they can make much more from the convenience store).

          With the card reader on the distributor the whole process was much shorter and I was on my way as soon as the fueling finished.